The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15)

[GSP]

Brooks is just an awful coach when it comes to maximizing superstar talent. I honestly dont get how Okcs defense always ranked highly their defense has no many fundamental problems with it and its never impressed me.

I hope Kd and Russ both leave the cheap ass owners of Okc dont deserve a title. The Dion Waiters signing? Really? Its obviously to save money so they dont have to pay Reggie the big bucks

The defense is normally better.

And really, cheap shots at OKC? You're better than that man.

Sorry man no offense to the fans i have the utmost respect for the Okc supporters but its just frustrating when u know the owners wont put all their chips on the table. Theyve just made so many mistakes

[GYK]

is it me or are the Thunder having a GOAT drafting era simultaneously having the worst trading era?

lol. no to both questions. theyve done a really good job of picking up talent with their late firsts, but the rest of their picks have been no brainers.

besides the team having the GOAT drafting era is the Spurs.

Think the Spurs are beat by OKC.
Green/Jackson/Bledsoe/Serge/Westbrook/Durant/Adams/Harden over the Spurs 4.
Green/Draft night Eric/Harden were bad trades.

[Doormatt]

is it me or are the Thunder having a GOAT drafting era simultaneously having the worst trading era?

lol. no to both questions. theyve done a really good job of picking up talent with their late firsts, but the rest of their picks have been no brainers.

besides the team having the GOAT drafting era is the Spurs.

Think the Spurs are beat by OKC.
Green/Jackson/Bledsoe/Serge/Westbrook/Durant/Adams/Harden over the Spurs 4.
Green/Draft night Eric/Harden were bad trades.

the durant pick was a no brainer, im not giving them credit for doing something obvious. same for westbrook, and in fact im not convinced that love wouldnt be a better fit or the better player on his day (last season love was clearly better), but i wont fault them for that. the harden pick was rather obvious too since they already had westbrook which eliminated 3 of the other guys (point guards) picked after him. it was pretty much between harden and tyreke so well played to them for choosing right. all 3 great picks but nothing out of the ordinary. not like they reached for anyone or picked a diamond out of the rough. i wouldnt count the bledsoe draft either as he was traded on draft night, so i would assume the clips told them who to pick.

now compare that to the spurs who built there big 3 out of tim duncan (obvious pick), tony parker (28th overall), and Manu Ginobili (57th overall). its no comparison there, the spurs big 3 was rounded out by a late first and a second rounder. all of OKCs star players were top 5 picks, thats not groundbreaking.

i think both franchises have done a wonderful job of finding quality talent in later rounds, the spurs obviously winning out there picking arguably the best player and ultimately a finals MVP in the 2011 draft at 15th.

i dont even see how its close honestly, while OKC has done wonderfully with their lotto and late round picks, the spurs have consistently found talent all throughout the draft for multiple years, WITHOUT lotto picks.

[Doormatt]

also how much should we really praise OKC for a 12th overall selection of Adams? Mason Plumlee, Gorgui Dieng, and Rudy Gobert were all taken after him and i think they have just as much if not more potential. Roberson at 26 looks like more of a steal.

[GYK]

lol. no to both questions. theyve done a really good job of picking up talent with their late firsts, but the rest of their picks have been no brainers.

besides the team having the GOAT drafting era is the Spurs.

Think the Spurs are beat by OKC.
Green/Jackson/Bledsoe/Serge/Westbrook/Durant/Adams/Harden over the Spurs 4.
Green/Draft night Eric/Harden were bad trades.

the durant pick was a no brainer, im not giving them credit for doing something obvious. same for westbrook, and in fact im not convinced that love wouldnt be a better fit or the better player on his day (last season love was clearly better), but i wont fault them for that. the harden pick was rather obvious too since they already had westbrook which eliminated 3 of the other guys (point guards) picked after him. it was pretty much between harden and tyreke so well played to them for choosing right. all 3 great picks but nothing out of the ordinary. not like they reached for anyone or picked a diamond out of the rough. i wouldnt count the bledsoe draft either as he was traded on draft night, so i would assume the clips told them who to pick.

now compare that to the spurs who built there big 3 out of tim duncan (obvious pick), tony parker (28th overall), and Manu Ginobili (57th overall). its no comparison there, the spurs big 3 was rounded out by a late first and a second rounder. all of OKCs star players were top 5 picks, thats not groundbreaking.

i think both franchises have done a wonderful job of finding quality talent in later rounds, the spurs obviously winning out there picking arguably the best player and ultimately a finals MVP in the 2011 draft at 15th.

i dont even see how its close honestly, while OKC has done wonderfully with their lotto and late round picks, the spurs have consistently found talent all throughout the draft for multiple years, WITHOUT lotto picks.

It's not close it's extremely in OKC's favor.
Yes Manu is the best second rounder ever but as your last part said talent found throughout the draft is still in OKC's favor. The amount of starter level talent the Thunder have drafted isn't reached by the Spurs. They get credit for the ability to keep Manu/ Parker on limited salaries to bring in help for their system but the Thunder play a top heavy style and they drafted the players to do so. Eight starter level players came from OKC picks. Three became superstars. Four could be all-star reserves. They also beat out picks like Daye with Perry. I'm also not sure Daye is a Spur pick.
Spurs did great building their core but as I said it's been contract negation and FA that kept them afloat, as their next best players throughout their run have been from other teams.
OKC drafts greats trade emerging stars to draft great again(Keeps them afloat but inconsistent on the bench). If they could get Reggie/Deion to stay for cheap I think they win both fronts, drafting and contracts. If they got all their picks to do so they would be the best team of all time.

[GYK]

also how much should we really praise OKC for a 12th overall selection of Adams? Mason Plumlee, Gorgui Dieng, and Rudy Gobert were all taken after him and i think they have just as much if not more potential. Roberson at 26 looks like more of a steal.

He is a good player.
Better after your pick isn't fair. Goodwin after Jean-Charles
McDaniels after Anderson.
Butler after Kawhi.

[MMyhre]

Westbrook is 27 - 99 from the field the last 5 games... and he only played like 19 minutes in one because of the ejection, he is forcing it and somehow refuses to let scoring champion Kevin Durant take a lot more shots in a game than him... he has all the tools to lockdown on defense and go for a Kidd type of game but just keeps chucking it, this is not what I wanted to see from him. It's just downright stupid.

[orangeparka]

Haven't watched since he was still GOATbrook.

What's changed? Is he out of control again? Just missing shots?

Sucks coz I was extremely impressed with his play without KD and all, was really looking forward to him taking that next step.

Love the dude and how hard he plays, but we all know that his play can get ugly real fast.

[LoyalKing]

Think the Spurs are beat by OKC.
Green/Jackson/Bledsoe/Serge/Westbrook/Durant/Adams/Harden over the Spurs 4.
Green/Draft night Eric/Harden were bad trades.

the durant pick was a no brainer, im not giving them credit for doing something obvious. same for westbrook, and in fact im not convinced that love wouldnt be a better fit or the better player on his day (last season love was clearly better), but i wont fault them for that. the harden pick was rather obvious too since they already had westbrook which eliminated 3 of the other guys (point guards) picked after him. it was pretty much between harden and tyreke so well played to them for choosing right. all 3 great picks but nothing out of the ordinary. not like they reached for anyone or picked a diamond out of the rough. i wouldnt count the bledsoe draft either as he was traded on draft night, so i would assume the clips told them who to pick.

now compare that to the spurs who built there big 3 out of tim duncan (obvious pick), tony parker (28th overall), and Manu Ginobili (57th overall). its no comparison there, the spurs big 3 was rounded out by a late first and a second rounder. all of OKCs star players were top 5 picks, thats not groundbreaking.

i think both franchises have done a wonderful job of finding quality talent in later rounds, the spurs obviously winning out there picking arguably the best player and ultimately a finals MVP in the 2011 draft at 15th.

i dont even see how its close honestly, while OKC has done wonderfully with their lotto and late round picks, the spurs have consistently found talent all throughout the draft for multiple years, WITHOUT lotto picks.

It's not close it's extremely in OKC's favor.
Yes Manu is the best second rounder ever but as your last part said talent found throughout the draft is still in OKC's favor. The amount of starter level talent the Thunder have drafted isn't reached by the Spurs. They get credit for the ability to keep Manu/ Parker on limited salaries to bring in help for their system but the Thunder play a top heavy style and they drafted the players to do so. Eight starter level players came from OKC picks. Three became superstars. Four could be all-star reserves. They also beat out picks like Daye with Perry. I'm also not sure Daye is a Spur pick.
Spurs did great building their core but as I said it's been contract negation and FA that kept them afloat, as their next best players throughout their run have been from other teams.
OKC drafts greats trade emerging stars to draft great again(Keeps them afloat but inconsistent on the bench). If they could get Reggie/Deion to stay for cheap I think they win both fronts, drafting and contracts. If they got all their picks to do so they would be the best team of all time.

I don't see how it's extremely in OKC's favor.

1st - Daye wasn't a Spurs pick. He was drafted by Detroit.

The best pick San Antonio had during Duncan's career was the 15th pick in 2011 when they had to trade George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. OKC had 4 top 5 picks in a row in a 3-year spam.

And since you're including picks that were traded (like Bledsoe) don't forget to include to the Spurs list

Luis Scola - 55th pick
Goran Dragic - 45th pick
+
Tony Parker - 28th pick
Manu Ginobili - 59th pick
Tiago Splitter - 28th pick
Kawhi Leonard - 15th pick

That's way more impressive than what OKC has done. And that core along with Timmy gave San Antonio 5 rings. They don't have many guys to show up right now because they have a lot of stashed guys in Europe, like Bertans, JLC, Hanga. I don't take away what Presti has done, because he has a good draft track, but nobody beats SA when it comes to getting more with less.

[GYK]

the durant pick was a no brainer, im not giving them credit for doing something obvious. same for westbrook, and in fact im not convinced that love wouldnt be a better fit or the better player on his day (last season love was clearly better), but i wont fault them for that. the harden pick was rather obvious too since they already had westbrook which eliminated 3 of the other guys (point guards) picked after him. it was pretty much between harden and tyreke so well played to them for choosing right. all 3 great picks but nothing out of the ordinary. not like they reached for anyone or picked a diamond out of the rough. i wouldnt count the bledsoe draft either as he was traded on draft night, so i would assume the clips told them who to pick.

now compare that to the spurs who built there big 3 out of tim duncan (obvious pick), tony parker (28th overall), and Manu Ginobili (57th overall). its no comparison there, the spurs big 3 was rounded out by a late first and a second rounder. all of OKCs star players were top 5 picks, thats not groundbreaking.

i think both franchises have done a wonderful job of finding quality talent in later rounds, the spurs obviously winning out there picking arguably the best player and ultimately a finals MVP in the 2011 draft at 15th.

i dont even see how its close honestly, while OKC has done wonderfully with their lotto and late round picks, the spurs have consistently found talent all throughout the draft for multiple years, WITHOUT lotto picks.

It's not close it's extremely in OKC's favor.
Yes Manu is the best second rounder ever but as your last part said talent found throughout the draft is still in OKC's favor. The amount of starter level talent the Thunder have drafted isn't reached by the Spurs. They get credit for the ability to keep Manu/ Parker on limited salaries to bring in help for their system but the Thunder play a top heavy style and they drafted the players to do so. Eight starter level players came from OKC picks. Three became superstars. Four could be all-star reserves. They also beat out picks like Daye with Perry. I'm also not sure Daye is a Spur pick.
Spurs did great building their core but as I said it's been contract negation and FA that kept them afloat, as their next best players throughout their run have been from other teams.
OKC drafts greats trade emerging stars to draft great again(Keeps them afloat but inconsistent on the bench). If they could get Reggie/Deion to stay for cheap I think they win both fronts, drafting and contracts. If they got all their picks to do so they would be the best team of all time.

I don't see how it's extremely in OKC's favor.

1st - Daye wasn't a Spurs pick. He was drafted by Detroit.

The best pick San Antonio had during Duncan's career was the 15th pick in 2011 when they had to trade George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. OKC had 4 top 5 picks in a row in a 3-year spam.

And since you're including picks that were traded (like Bledsoe) don't forget to include to the Spurs list

Luis Scola - 55th pick
Goran Dragic - 45th pick
+
Tony Parker - 28th pick
Manu Ginobili - 59th pick
Tiago Splitter - 28th pick
Kawhi Leonard - 15th pick

That's way more impressive than what OKC has done. And that core along with Timmy gave San Antonio 5 rings. They don't have many guys to show up right now because they have a lot of stashed guys in Europe, like Bertans, JLC, Hanga. I don't take away what Presti has done, because he has a good draft track, but nobody beats SA when it comes to getting more with less.

Hmm I'm sure I said I don't know if Daye is their pick. Not a strong 1. More of a correction, should have been an "also".
Picks that were traded but drafted under OKC. With the _ pick OKC picks..
I don't know if that falls for Scola or Dragic. They weren't.
I know it works for Eric.
http://youtu.be/JnDVUBB1kxo
How's is it more impressive. OKC has drafted more stars. All-Star caliber and starter level players.
The argument for SA falls squarely on Manu, a all-time quality pick but the sheer amount of great players picked by OKC trumps Manu. They too have turned late picks into Reggie/Ibaka so more with less isn't really in SA favor.
Also why are top picks not counted in this. Those picks could be bust. Not just bust but not lotto worthy players. Not all-star players and certainly not producing that amount of superstar players.

[Greatness]

He went from GOATbrook to GOATOFTHEGAMEbrook very fast. He needs to play better.

[PaulieWal]

He went from GOATbrook to GOATOFTHEGAMEbrook very fast. He needs to play better.

Don't know if it's fatigue (though it shouldn't be) or simply working KD back into the lineup though he has struggled as well last couple of games, or he's playing drunk but he needs to get himself together. Looking at this shooting percentages, he's struggled to finish at the rim recently and his mid-range jumper is also off, now down to 38%. It was in the 40s when he was on his GOATbrook stretch.

Also, a play last night had me laughing but reminded me why people find him to be controversial. It was in the 4th, KD asked for the ball, RW looked at him as in I could see his face turn at KD and then proceeded to shoot an air-ball 3 . GOAT giveth and GOAT taketh.

[LoyalKing]

It's not close it's extremely in OKC's favor.
Yes Manu is the best second rounder ever but as your last part said talent found throughout the draft is still in OKC's favor. The amount of starter level talent the Thunder have drafted isn't reached by the Spurs. They get credit for the ability to keep Manu/ Parker on limited salaries to bring in help for their system but the Thunder play a top heavy style and they drafted the players to do so. Eight starter level players came from OKC picks. Three became superstars. Four could be all-star reserves. They also beat out picks like Daye with Perry. I'm also not sure Daye is a Spur pick.
Spurs did great building their core but as I said it's been contract negation and FA that kept them afloat, as their next best players throughout their run have been from other teams.
OKC drafts greats trade emerging stars to draft great again(Keeps them afloat but inconsistent on the bench). If they could get Reggie/Deion to stay for cheap I think they win both fronts, drafting and contracts. If they got all their picks to do so they would be the best team of all time.

I don't see how it's extremely in OKC's favor.

1st - Daye wasn't a Spurs pick. He was drafted by Detroit.

The best pick San Antonio had during Duncan's career was the 15th pick in 2011 when they had to trade George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. OKC had 4 top 5 picks in a row in a 3-year spam.

And since you're including picks that were traded (like Bledsoe) don't forget to include to the Spurs list

Luis Scola - 55th pick
Goran Dragic - 45th pick
+
Tony Parker - 28th pick
Manu Ginobili - 59th pick
Tiago Splitter - 28th pick
Kawhi Leonard - 15th pick

That's way more impressive than what OKC has done. And that core along with Timmy gave San Antonio 5 rings. They don't have many guys to show up right now because they have a lot of stashed guys in Europe, like Bertans, JLC, Hanga. I don't take away what Presti has done, because he has a good draft track, but nobody beats SA when it comes to getting more with less.

Hmm I'm sure I said I don't know if Daye is their pick. Not a strong 1. More of a correction, should have been an "also".
Picks that were traded but drafted under OKC. With the _ pick OKC picks..
I don't know if that falls for Scola or Dragic. They weren't.
I know it works for Eric.
http://youtu.be/JnDVUBB1kxo
How's is it more impressive. OKC has drafted more stars. All-Star caliber and starter level players.
The argument for SA falls squarely on Manu, a all-time quality pick but the sheer amount of great players picked by OKC trumps Manu. They too have turned late picks into Reggie/Ibaka so more with less isn't really in SA favor.
Also why are top picks not counted in this. Those picks could be bust. Not just bust but not lotto worthy players. Not all-star players and certainly not producing that amount of superstar players.

As far as I know both teams drafted 3 stars each. Durant, Russ and Harden & Duncan / Manu / Parker. And the advantage here clearly goes to SA here since they did more with less.

Keep in mind. SA never had a lottery pick to work with during Duncan's era. NEVER.

Drafting 2 stars with a late 2nd round pick and a late 1st round pick is way more impressive than drafting stars with top 4 1st round picks, no matter how you try to slice it. Yeah, they could have drafted a bust with those picks, but the probability is way higher when you draft late in the draft.

What's the probability of a a star SG and probably one of the best SGs of all-time getting drafted with the 59th pick again ? Zero or close to it.

Jackson/Ibaka were definitely good picks with late 1sts, but so were Hill, Splitter and Joseph.

[GYK]

I don't see how it's extremely in OKC's favor.

1st - Daye wasn't a Spurs pick. He was drafted by Detroit.

The best pick San Antonio had during Duncan's career was the 15th pick in 2011 when they had to trade George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. OKC had 4 top 5 picks in a row in a 3-year spam.

And since you're including picks that were traded (like Bledsoe) don't forget to include to the Spurs list

Luis Scola - 55th pick
Goran Dragic - 45th pick
+
Tony Parker - 28th pick
Manu Ginobili - 59th pick
Tiago Splitter - 28th pick
Kawhi Leonard - 15th pick

That's way more impressive than what OKC has done. And that core along with Timmy gave San Antonio 5 rings. They don't have many guys to show up right now because they have a lot of stashed guys in Europe, like Bertans, JLC, Hanga. I don't take away what Presti has done, because he has a good draft track, but nobody beats SA when it comes to getting more with less.

Hmm I'm sure I said I don't know if Daye is their pick. Not a strong 1. More of a correction, should have been an "also".
Picks that were traded but drafted under OKC. With the _ pick OKC picks..
I don't know if that falls for Scola or Dragic. They weren't.
I know it works for Eric.
http://youtu.be/JnDVUBB1kxo
How's is it more impressive. OKC has drafted more stars. All-Star caliber and starter level players.
The argument for SA falls squarely on Manu, a all-time quality pick but the sheer amount of great players picked by OKC trumps Manu. They too have turned late picks into Reggie/Ibaka so more with less isn't really in SA favor.
Also why are top picks not counted in this. Those picks could be bust. Not just bust but not lotto worthy players. Not all-star players and certainly not producing that amount of superstar players.

As far as I know both teams drafted 3 stars each. Durant, Russ and Harden & Duncan / Manu / Parker. And the advantage here clearly goes to SA here since they did more with less.

Keep in mind. SA never had a lottery pick to work with during Duncan's era. NEVER.

Drafting 2 stars with a late 2nd round pick and a late 1st round pick is way more impressive than drafting stars with top 4 1st round picks, no matter how you try to slice it. Yeah, they could have drafted a bust with those picks, but the probability is way higher when you draft late in the draft.

What's the probability of a a star SG and probably one of the best SGs of all-time getting drafted with the 59th pick again ? Zero or close to it.

Jackson/Ibaka were definitely good picks with late 1sts, but so were Hill, Splitter and Joseph.

Hmm I think advantage OKC. Westbrook/Harden are clearly better then Tony/Manu. With also more picks of star power after their top three.

Well that's not really a plus for SA. They also didn't have high picks DRob showed up. Duncan went to a great team. Congrats to Duncan for keeping it rolling.

Yes I see Manu is an amazing find. Their regin isn't drafting but contract negotiations.
Durant = Duncan
West > Tony
James > Manu
Ibaka > Splitter
Eric = Goran
Reggie > Hill
Adams > Joseph
OKC has drafted much better players. Even if Duncan is taken over Durant. All of the Thunder players been better.
With that said OKC is pretty horrible at trading. Absolutely dreadful.

[LoyalKing]

Hmm I'm sure I said I don't know if Daye is their pick. Not a strong 1. More of a correction, should have been an "also".
Picks that were traded but drafted under OKC. With the _ pick OKC picks..
I don't know if that falls for Scola or Dragic. They weren't.
I know it works for Eric.
http://youtu.be/JnDVUBB1kxo
How's is it more impressive. OKC has drafted more stars. All-Star caliber and starter level players.
The argument for SA falls squarely on Manu, a all-time quality pick but the sheer amount of great players picked by OKC trumps Manu. They too have turned late picks into Reggie/Ibaka so more with less isn't really in SA favor.
Also why are top picks not counted in this. Those picks could be bust. Not just bust but not lotto worthy players. Not all-star players and certainly not producing that amount of superstar players.

As far as I know both teams drafted 3 stars each. Durant, Russ and Harden & Duncan / Manu / Parker. And the advantage here clearly goes to SA here since they did more with less.

Keep in mind. SA never had a lottery pick to work with during Duncan's era. NEVER.

Drafting 2 stars with a late 2nd round pick and a late 1st round pick is way more impressive than drafting stars with top 4 1st round picks, no matter how you try to slice it. Yeah, they could have drafted a bust with those picks, but the probability is way higher when you draft late in the draft.

What's the probability of a a star SG and probably one of the best SGs of all-time getting drafted with the 59th pick again ? Zero or close to it.

Jackson/Ibaka were definitely good picks with late 1sts, but so were Hill, Splitter and Joseph.

Hmm I think advantage OKC. Westbrook/Harden are clearly better then Tony/Manu. With also more picks of star power after their top three.

Well that's not really a plus for SA. They also didn't have high picks DRob showed up. Duncan went to a great team. Congrats to Duncan for keeping it rolling.

Yes I see Manu is an amazing find. Their regin isn't drafting but contract negotiations.
Durant = Duncan
West > Tony
James > Manu
Ibaka > Splitter
Eric = Goran
Reggie > Hill
Adams > Joseph
OKC has drafted much better players. Even if Duncan is taken over Durant. All of the Thunder players been better.
With that said OKC is pretty horrible at trading. Absolutely dreadful.

When you say that Durant = Duncan you're really pushing too hard.

No offense to Durant, but not even in Durant's dream. Duncan is the best player in the pos-Jordan era and there are several players I'd take over Durant in that spam

Still, they were unanimous picks, nothing special about it. Harden > Manu and Westbrook > Parker is highly debatable. Not in my book.

Manu never had the chance to play as a 1st option, but I still take Manu in my team coming playoff time. He is flat out better than Harden when it matters in the playoffs.

Parker used to own Westbrook before his body broke down, to the point that OKC's coach had to switch defensive assignments and put Thabo on him. WB can't even shoot over 40%FG against Parker in the regular season or the playoffs.

Plus, when we evaluate draft picks, where they were taken matters. Even if we discuss who's better between Manu and Harden, Manu was taken with the 59th pick, Harden was taken with the 3rd pick. Parker was taken with the 28th pick, Westbrook was a top 4 pick. Value-wise, the Spurs kills OKC. Drafting stars with top 5 picks is nothing special. It has happened many times. But drafting a HOF SG with the 59th pick only happens once.

As for the rest, value-wise I am taking Dragic and Scola with late 2nd round picks over anybody that OKC has drafted after Durant/Harden/Wesbrook.

[GYK]

As far as I know both teams drafted 3 stars each. Durant, Russ and Harden & Duncan / Manu / Parker. And the advantage here clearly goes to SA here since they did more with less.

Keep in mind. SA never had a lottery pick to work with during Duncan's era. NEVER.

Drafting 2 stars with a late 2nd round pick and a late 1st round pick is way more impressive than drafting stars with top 4 1st round picks, no matter how you try to slice it. Yeah, they could have drafted a bust with those picks, but the probability is way higher when you draft late in the draft.

What's the probability of a a star SG and probably one of the best SGs of all-time getting drafted with the 59th pick again ? Zero or close to it.

Jackson/Ibaka were definitely good picks with late 1sts, but so were Hill, Splitter and Joseph.

Hmm I think advantage OKC. Westbrook/Harden are clearly better then Tony/Manu. With also more picks of star power after their top three.

Well that's not really a plus for SA. They also didn't have high picks DRob showed up. Duncan went to a great team. Congrats to Duncan for keeping it rolling.

Yes I see Manu is an amazing find. Their regin isn't drafting but contract negotiations.
Durant = Duncan
West > Tony
James > Manu
Ibaka > Splitter
Eric = Goran
Reggie > Hill
Adams > Joseph
OKC has drafted much better players. Even if Duncan is taken over Durant. All of the Thunder players been better.
With that said OKC is pretty horrible at trading. Absolutely dreadful.

When you say that Durant = Duncan you're really pushing too hard.

No offense to Durant, but not even in Durant's dream. Duncan is the best player in the pos-Jordan era and there are several players I'd take over Durant in that spam

Still, they were unanimous picks, nothing special about it. Harden > Manu and Westbrook > Parker is highly debatable. Not in my book.

Manu never had the chance to play as a 1st option, but I still take Manu in my team coming playoff time. He is flat out better than Harden when it matters in the playoffs.

Parker used to own Westbrook before his body broke down, to the point that OKC's coach had to switch defensive assignments and put Thabo on him. WB can't even shoot over 40%FG against Parker in the regular season or the playoffs.

Plus, when we evaluate draft picks, where they were taken matters. Even if we discuss who's better between Manu and Harden, Manu was taken with the 59th pick, Harden was taken with the 3rd pick. Parker was taken with the 28th pick, Westbrook was a top 4 pick. Value-wise, the Spurs kills OKC. Drafting stars with top 5 picks is nothing special. It has happened many times. But drafting a HOF SG with the 59th pick only happens once.

As for the rest, value-wise I am taking Dragic and Scola with late 2nd round picks over anybody that OKC has drafted after Durant/Harden/Wesbrook.

Argument could be made for Durant but nevertheless OKC drafted better.

Well Shaq/Kobe/Lebron been all called best since Mike. Durant is good but that's not the arguement. If Duncan over Durant that's just one player for the Spurs.

Harden is still better. Not about who owned who. Russell is a better player. Best of Russ is better then Parker.

Yes Manu is the key. It's a great find. It's certainly special. In the 24-25 years since DRob was drafted it was just Duncan/Kawhi as top picks. That's an amazing run of success. However if value is put at a premium in your arguement Goran is a better value considering the scouting now done for international talent. He still however isn't better then Ibaka. As the list shows no top Spurs drafted player is better then the Thunder's.

[LoyalKing]

Hmm I think advantage OKC. Westbrook/Harden are clearly better then Tony/Manu. With also more picks of star power after their top three.

Well that's not really a plus for SA. They also didn't have high picks DRob showed up. Duncan went to a great team. Congrats to Duncan for keeping it rolling.

Yes I see Manu is an amazing find. Their regin isn't drafting but contract negotiations.
Durant = Duncan
West > Tony
James > Manu
Ibaka > Splitter
Eric = Goran
Reggie > Hill
Adams > Joseph
OKC has drafted much better players. Even if Duncan is taken over Durant. All of the Thunder players been better.
With that said OKC is pretty horrible at trading. Absolutely dreadful.

When you say that Durant = Duncan you're really pushing too hard.

No offense to Durant, but not even in Durant's dream. Duncan is the best player in the pos-Jordan era and there are several players I'd take over Durant in that spam

Still, they were unanimous picks, nothing special about it. Harden > Manu and Westbrook > Parker is highly debatable. Not in my book.

Manu never had the chance to play as a 1st option, but I still take Manu in my team coming playoff time. He is flat out better than Harden when it matters in the playoffs.

Parker used to own Westbrook before his body broke down, to the point that OKC's coach had to switch defensive assignments and put Thabo on him. WB can't even shoot over 40%FG against Parker in the regular season or the playoffs.

Plus, when we evaluate draft picks, where they were taken matters. Even if we discuss who's better between Manu and Harden, Manu was taken with the 59th pick, Harden was taken with the 3rd pick. Parker was taken with the 28th pick, Westbrook was a top 4 pick. Value-wise, the Spurs kills OKC. Drafting stars with top 5 picks is nothing special. It has happened many times. But drafting a HOF SG with the 59th pick only happens once.

As for the rest, value-wise I am taking Dragic and Scola with late 2nd round picks over anybody that OKC has drafted after Durant/Harden/Wesbrook.

Argument could be made for Durant but nevertheless OKC drafted better.

Well Shaq/Kobe/Lebron been all called best since Mike. Durant is good but that's not the arguement. If Duncan over Durant that's just one player for the Spurs.

Harden is still better. Not about who owned who. Russell is a better player. Best of Russ is better then Parker.

Yes Manu is the key. It's a great find. It's certainly special. In the 24-25 years since DRob was drafted it was just Duncan/Kawhi as top picks. That's an amazing run of success. However if value is put at a premium in your arguement Goran is a better value considering the scouting now done for international talent. He still however isn't better then Ibaka. As the list shows no top Spurs drafted player is better then the Thunder's.

No, Durant has zero argument over Duncan PERIOD. Even OKC fans will agree with that.

Harden is not better than Manu. It's your opinion, not mine. To me Manu is simply a better player. The fact that Manu was taken late in the 2nd round makes it even clearer who drafted better.

Russ is not better than Parker career-wise. I still wanna see Westbrook with the same mindset once his athleticism declines. Then we will find out who had a better career, Parker or WB. I am willing to put my money on Parker

Manu 59th / Tony 28th > WB 4th pick / Harden 3rd pick . I don't know how you can argue with that. Spurs got special players with crap picks. OKC got special players with top 4 picks.

In terms of success, it's gets even worse. SA won 5 rings with Timmy and their core. OKC has yet to win one.

[Doormatt]

Argument could be made for Durant

this isnt the thread for that, but really there is absolutely zero argument that anyone could make for that. and the fact that you would even say that really makes the rest of your points moot, since you clearly dont know what youre talking about.

[GYK]

When you say that Durant = Duncan you're really pushing too hard.

No offense to Durant, but not even in Durant's dream. Duncan is the best player in the pos-Jordan era and there are several players I'd take over Durant in that spam

Still, they were unanimous picks, nothing special about it. Harden > Manu and Westbrook > Parker is highly debatable. Not in my book.

Manu never had the chance to play as a 1st option, but I still take Manu in my team coming playoff time. He is flat out better than Harden when it matters in the playoffs.

Parker used to own Westbrook before his body broke down, to the point that OKC's coach had to switch defensive assignments and put Thabo on him. WB can't even shoot over 40%FG against Parker in the regular season or the playoffs.

Plus, when we evaluate draft picks, where they were taken matters. Even if we discuss who's better between Manu and Harden, Manu was taken with the 59th pick, Harden was taken with the 3rd pick. Parker was taken with the 28th pick, Westbrook was a top 4 pick. Value-wise, the Spurs kills OKC. Drafting stars with top 5 picks is nothing special. It has happened many times. But drafting a HOF SG with the 59th pick only happens once.

As for the rest, value-wise I am taking Dragic and Scola with late 2nd round picks over anybody that OKC has drafted after Durant/Harden/Wesbrook.

Argument could be made for Durant but nevertheless OKC drafted better.

Well Shaq/Kobe/Lebron been all called best since Mike. Durant is good but that's not the arguement. If Duncan over Durant that's just one player for the Spurs.

Harden is still better. Not about who owned who. Russell is a better player. Best of Russ is better then Parker.

Yes Manu is the key. It's a great find. It's certainly special. In the 24-25 years since DRob was drafted it was just Duncan/Kawhi as top picks. That's an amazing run of success. However if value is put at a premium in your arguement Goran is a better value considering the scouting now done for international talent. He still however isn't better then Ibaka. As the list shows no top Spurs drafted player is better then the Thunder's.

No, Durant has zero argument over Duncan PERIOD. Even OKC fans will agree with that.

Harden is not better than Manu. It's your opinion, not mine. To me Manu is simply a better player. The fact that Manu was taken late in the 2nd round makes it even clearer who drafted better.

Russ is not better than Parker career-wise. I still wanna see Westbrook with the same mindset once his athleticism declines. Then we will find out who had a better career, Parker or WB. I am willing to put my money on Parker

Manu 59th / Tony 28th > WB 4th pick / Harden 3rd pick . I don't know how you can argue with that. Spurs got special players with crap picks. OKC got special players with top 4 picks.

In terms of success, it's gets even worse. SA won 5 rings with Timmy and their core. OKC has yet to win one.

Ok. The argument still stands that OKC has drafted better players.

Harden isn't better then Manu? Well that's hard to swallow but if true ok. Nothing in his career suggest so but ok.

Russ hasn't played better then Parker ever has for multiple seasons? Hmm. Ok

Both Manu/Parker better then West/Harden. First I ever heard this. I have been under the assumption that the OKC players have been 1st team caliber players.

Yes that's the arguement for SA. I do get that they accomplished more. They also have had better cast with their core taking lesser contracts.

Also comes to my attention Kawhi was a Pacer pick traded for by the Spurs.

[GYK]

Argument could be made for Durant

this isnt the thread for that, but really there is absolutely zero argument that anyone could make for that. and the fact that you would even say that really makes the rest of your points moot, since you clearly dont know what youre talking about.

Multiple times I've said this isn't the thread. You had to delete the nevertheless part of the quote.
That's what I feared. When an argument can't be made or is simply weak people tend to focus on one point to build their point around.
Daye not being Spurs pick when the next sentence is I'm not sure he is..that sort of thing.
Don't know what I'm talking about..ouch

Also didn't reply to above bruh.