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Post#541 » by jalengreen » Thu Mar 9, 2023 12:59 am

zimpy27 wrote:One thing I want to be clear about LeBron's injury that may not.be obvious to everyone here.

He played on it after the injury. Because he was able to play on it and play well it means that the injury isn't impairing his function.

The reason he is out right now is likely due to swelling and inflammation that they are trying to get down. That inflammation in the foot weakens al areas of the foot increasing the chance for further injury.

He could play right now but he'd have an increased risk of serious injury.

From that perspective, I think there's zero chance he's not playing in the play-in or playoffs if Lakers get there.


Unfortunately reminds me of 2021 where he comes back towards the end of the season but clearly isn't 100%
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Post#542 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 1:50 am

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zimpy27 wrote:One thing I want to be clear about LeBron's injury that may not.be obvious to everyone here.

He played on it after the injury. Because he was able to play on it and play well it means that the injury isn't impairing his function.

The reason he is out right now is likely due to swelling and inflammation that they are trying to get down. That inflammation in the foot weakens al areas of the foot increasing the chance for further injury.

He could play right now but he'd have an increased risk of serious injury.

From that perspective, I think there's zero chance he's not playing in the play-in or playoffs if Lakers get there.


Unfortunately reminds me of 2021 where he comes back towards the end of the season but clearly isn't 100%



That was quite different. When LeBron was injured by Hill he didn't return that game. He could not play on it immediatley, that injury impacted function. He had to heal up and build up to function again, it took nearly a year to do that.

The current injury did not impact his function. He played on it after. The foot swelled up though with inflammation. They are waiting for inflammation to die down because inflammation will weaken the injured tendon and all other ligaments in the region. You also get compensation injuries with inflammation when other muscles and tendons/ligaments take on the load.

He could play today if he wanted but there would be a higher chance of serious injury to the same tendon or other areas of the lower body. So he's effectively on standby and this is strategic resting if you will.
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Post#543 » by Heej » Thu Mar 9, 2023 3:00 am

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zimpy27 wrote:One thing I want to be clear about LeBron's injury that may not.be obvious to everyone here.

He played on it after the injury. Because he was able to play on it and play well it means that the injury isn't impairing his function.

The reason he is out right now is likely due to swelling and inflammation that they are trying to get down. That inflammation in the foot weakens al areas of the foot increasing the chance for further injury.

He could play right now but he'd have an increased risk of serious injury.

From that perspective, I think there's zero chance he's not playing in the play-in or playoffs if Lakers get there.


Unfortunately reminds me of 2021 where he comes back towards the end of the season but clearly isn't 100%



That was quite different. When LeBron was injured by Hill he didn't return that game. He could not play on it immediatley, that injury impacted function. He had to heal up and build up to function again, it took nearly a year to do that.

The current injury did not impact his function. He played on it after. The foot swelled up though with inflammation. They are waiting for inflammation to die down because inflammation will weaken the injured tendon and all other ligaments in the region. You also get compensation injuries with inflammation when other muscles and tendons/ligaments take on the load.

He could play today if he wanted but there would be a higher chance of serious injury to the same tendon or other areas of the lower body. So he's effectively on standby and this is strategic resting if you will.

From what I understand he just got a plantar fascia injury this time vs the likely grade 2 he got stepping on Solomon Hill. Honestly kind of a different world in terms of how long they keep you back. And I would know lol having had both, esp a history of ankle injuries. I'm sure once he gets his inflammation down and stabilizers stronger he'll be good. I'm much more thankful that it was plantar fasciitis rather than his ankle.
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Post#544 » by xb3at band1tx » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:09 am

pelicans won but BI got hurt

think it helps the lakers as I can't imagine NOLA keeping pace if BI is out, plus LA holds the tie breaker for right now
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Post#545 » by Homer38 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:18 am

xb3at band1tx wrote:pelicans won but BI got hurt

think it helps the lakers as I can't imagine NOLA keeping pace if BI is out, plus LA holds the tie breaker for right now


The better news is the mavs loss,so Dallas have now just one fewer loss that the lakers.I want to be in the top 8 at least...finish 9 or 10 is just a awful position to be in
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Post#546 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:53 am

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letskissbro wrote:What's the timeline on LeBron's injury recovery? Like when will he be fully 100% healthy. I know it's 4-6 weeks before he can return but I'm worried it will be a 2021 Suns situation when he gets back.

Best case in the middle of the 1st round, but most likely in September


6 weeks would be last game of the season.

I think 4 weeks is most likely. Home game against Chicago.

I personally don't expect him to be 100% healthy this quick

zimpy27 wrote:One thing I want to be clear about LeBron's injury that may not.be obvious to everyone here.

He played on it after the injury. Because he was able to play on it and play well it means that the injury isn't impairing his function.

The reason he is out right now is likely due to swelling and inflammation that they are trying to get down. That inflammation in the foot weakens al areas of the foot increasing the chance for further injury.

He could play right now but he'd have an increased risk of serious injury.

From that perspective, I think there's zero chance he's not playing in the play-in or playoffs if Lakers get there.

We don't know exactly what happened with his foot, but we know that he's in a walking boot riding on a scooter. Hope I'm wrong, but not as optimistic about it
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Post#547 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:57 am

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xb3at band1tx wrote:pelicans won but BI got hurt

think it helps the lakers as I can't imagine NOLA keeping pace if BI is out, plus LA holds the tie breaker for right now


The better news is the mavs loss,so Dallas have now just one fewer loss that the lakers.I want to be in the top 8 at least...finish 9 or 10 is just a awful position to be in

Luka got injured as well
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Post#548 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Mar 9, 2023 8:07 am

zimpy27 wrote:LeBron - locked
Davis - locked
Vanderbilt - locked
Christie - locked
Beasley - team option
Bamba - team option
Reed - team option
Reaves - RFA
Rui - bird rights
DLo - bird rightd
Gabriel - early bird rights
Lonnie - non-bird
Schröder - non-bird
Brown Jr - non-bird
FRP drafted
SRP drafted

It's weird but Lakers can pretty much keep this whole squad together in the offseason. Unless Jeannie cheaps out.

The only choice they need to make is one of Brown Jr or Schröder...

Wonder what they gonna do with Beasley and Bamba. Feels like they don't really need those guys on current contracts
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Post#549 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 8:13 am

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zimpy27 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:Best case in the middle of the 1st round, but most likely in September


6 weeks would be last game of the season.

I think 4 weeks is most likely. Home game against Chicago.

I personally don't expect him to be 100% healthy this quick

zimpy27 wrote:One thing I want to be clear about LeBron's injury that may not.be obvious to everyone here.

He played on it after the injury. Because he was able to play on it and play well it means that the injury isn't impairing his function.

The reason he is out right now is likely due to swelling and inflammation that they are trying to get down. That inflammation in the foot weakens al areas of the foot increasing the chance for further injury.

He could play right now but he'd have an increased risk of serious injury.

From that perspective, I think there's zero chance he's not playing in the play-in or playoffs if Lakers get there.

We don't know exactly what happened with his foot, but we know that he's in a walking boot riding on a scooter. Hope I'm wrong, but not as optimistic about it


Walking boot is right but that is to speed up the inflammation reduction. Effectively limiting any force through the foot.
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Post#550 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 8:53 am

Mos_Heat wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:LeBron - locked
Davis - locked
Vanderbilt - locked
Christie - locked
Beasley - team option
Bamba - team option
Reed - team option
Reaves - RFA
Rui - bird rights
DLo - bird rightd
Gabriel - early bird rights
Lonnie - non-bird
Schröder - non-bird
Brown Jr - non-bird
FRP drafted
SRP drafted

It's weird but Lakers can pretty much keep this whole squad together in the offseason. Unless Jeannie cheaps out.

The only choice they need to make is one of Brown Jr or Schröder...

Wonder what they gonna do with Beasley and Bamba. Feels like they don't really need those guys on current contracts


I could see them as trade fodder to bring back $33.6m

DeMar or Hayward maybe?
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Post#551 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:37 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:LeBron - locked
Davis - locked
Vanderbilt - locked
Christie - locked
Beasley - team option
Bamba - team option
Reed - team option
Reaves - RFA
Rui - bird rights
DLo - bird rightd
Gabriel - early bird rights
Lonnie - non-bird
Schröder - non-bird
Brown Jr - non-bird
FRP drafted
SRP drafted

It's weird but Lakers can pretty much keep this whole squad together in the offseason. Unless Jeannie cheaps out.

The only choice they need to make is one of Brown Jr or Schröder...

Wonder what they gonna do with Beasley and Bamba. Feels like they don't really need those guys on current contracts


I could see them as trade fodder to bring back $33.6m

DeMar or Hayward maybe?

I think they cut one of them. Just don't see them going in deep in tax. Or maybe dump one of them at the deadline
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Post#552 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:47 am

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zimpy27 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:Wonder what they gonna do with Beasley and Bamba. Feels like they don't really need those guys on current contracts


I could see them as trade fodder to bring back $33.6m

DeMar or Hayward maybe?

I think they cut one of them. Just don't see them going in deep in tax. Or maybe dump one of them at the deadline


Well yeah they cut one if they want to drop tax. Probably Bamba. Or they try renegotiate with both, less money but longer deal.
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Post#553 » by Slava » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:54 am

They might drop Bamba but bring back Beasley on a multi-year deal. Even if he is streaky, he has shooter's gravity, which is valuable when you are banking on the LeBron/AD pick and roll. I quite like the present team and health permitting, like their chances in a playoff series against anyone in the West. Tax-wise they probably save by picking up an MLE level center and letting Bamba, Lonnie walk (no pun intended).

The bigger questions come if Draymond becomes available, as he seems to have run his course in Oakland and fits in the range of the Lakers' cap space.
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Post#554 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:01 am

Slava wrote:They might drop Bamba but bring back Beasley on a multi-year deal. Even if he is streaky, he has shooter's gravity, which is valuable when you are banking on the LeBron/AD pick and roll. I quite like the present team and health permitting, like their chances in a playoff series against anyone in the West. Tax-wise they probably save by picking up an MLE level center and letting Bamba, Lonnie walk (no pun intended).

The bigger questions come if Draymond becomes available, as he seems to have run his course in Oakland and fits in the range of the Lakers' cap space.


Draymond is a perfect fit for OKC, pretty interested to see if they overpay him
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Post#555 » by Slava » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:04 am

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Slava wrote:They might drop Bamba but bring back Beasley on a multi-year deal. Even if he is streaky, he has shooter's gravity, which is valuable when you are banking on the LeBron/AD pick and roll. I quite like the present team and health permitting, like their chances in a playoff series against anyone in the West. Tax-wise they probably save by picking up an MLE level center and letting Bamba, Lonnie walk (no pun intended).

The bigger questions come if Draymond becomes available, as he seems to have run his course in Oakland and fits in the range of the Lakers' cap space.


Draymond is a perfect fit for OKC, pretty interested to see if they overpay him


Not a Presti type deal. Its more likely that someone like Portland or Chicago tries to open up cap room for him. Infact, now I think of it, Portland is probably his most likely destination.
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Post#556 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:18 am

Slava wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Slava wrote:They might drop Bamba but bring back Beasley on a multi-year deal. Even if he is streaky, he has shooter's gravity, which is valuable when you are banking on the LeBron/AD pick and roll. I quite like the present team and health permitting, like their chances in a playoff series against anyone in the West. Tax-wise they probably save by picking up an MLE level center and letting Bamba, Lonnie walk (no pun intended).

The bigger questions come if Draymond becomes available, as he seems to have run his course in Oakland and fits in the range of the Lakers' cap space.


Draymond is a perfect fit for OKC, pretty interested to see if they overpay him


Not a Presti type deal. Its more likely that someone like Portland or Chicago tries to open up cap room for him. Infact, now I think of it, Portland is probably his most likely destination.


Well I think Presti would overpay for fit.. there team plan is to have everyone being high IQ and making quick passes on offense (which Green fits) and they desperately need a defensive PF (which Green also fits).

I can't think of anyone better for the OKC role and they have capspace.

Yeah could see Green in Portland too
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Post#557 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:40 am

Anyway, hard cap will be $172m and lux tax line will be $165m

DLo 20, Reaves 9, LeBron 47, Vanderbilt 4, Davis 41
Schröder 4, Beasley 17, Brown Jr 8, Rui 8, Gabriel 3
Reed 2, Christie 2, FRP 3, SRP 1, Vet min 2

That's $170m for 15 players..

I think Lakers could trade at deadline to drop out of tax.
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Post#558 » by eminence » Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:55 am

zimpy27 wrote:Anyway, hard cap will be $172m and lux tax line will be $165m

DLo 20, Reaves 9, LeBron 47, Vanderbilt 4, Davis 41
Schröder 4, Beasley 17, Brown Jr 8, Rui 8, Gabriel 3
Reed 2, Christie 2, FRP 3, SRP 1, Vet min 2

That's $170m for 15 players..

I think Lakers could trade at deadline to drop out of tax.


They could just not bring back Beasley as well, though they would need a bench shooter to fill in.
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Post#559 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 11:19 am

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zimpy27 wrote:Anyway, hard cap will be $172m and lux tax line will be $165m

DLo 20, Reaves 9, LeBron 47, Vanderbilt 4, Davis 41
Schröder 4, Beasley 17, Brown Jr 8, Rui 8, Gabriel 3
Reed 2, Christie 2, FRP 3, SRP 1, Vet min 2

That's $170m for 15 players..

I think Lakers could trade at deadline to drop out of tax.


They could just not bring back Beasley as well, though they would need a bench shooter to fill in.


Yes agreed. I get the feeling that Beasley's gravity is useful and they won't want to lose it.
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Post#560 » by dcstanley » Thu Mar 9, 2023 12:09 pm

Maybe they deny Beasley's team option and bring him back at a lower annual average? I doubt many teams are clamoring to pay him 17 a year.

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