The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

[Tracymcgoaty]

Lebron is an absolute **** idiot still wanting to play with us. And so is AD.

[capfan33]

I’ve said it before, lebrons first priority is to live in LA, with heavy preference for the Lakers. Everything else is secondary, including winning another title.

[nzahir]

I’ve said it before, lebrons first priority is to live in LA, with heavy preference for the Lakers. Everything else is secondary, including winning another title.

Lets see....some weird stuff going on at the moment

Last year Rich Paul shut down trade rumors ASAP

But this year its "Rich Paul wont shut down interested teams if Lebron requests a trade"

I think he stays in LA (at least for this year), but I think he puts Pelinka and Jeanie to the fire

If we dont make at least a couple of moves or a big move, then I can see him walking this summer or requesting out this year to a bonafide contender

Only teams that make any sense

1) Cle: Go back home this summer for the mle. I dont see CLE moving Garland for him, unless its Garland+salaries for Bron and a 1st or Reaves and CLE adds a bit?

If its a trade, I think everyone wins, LAL is glad to get a great young piece back. CLE loses 1/4 core guys, but Lebron and Reaves or Lebron and a pick (shold flip that pick for someone or hope its Reaves) should elevate them in the playoffs to really have a shot to win it all. Lebron gets a legit chance to win his 5th ring and maybe even 6th.

If Lebron signs in the summer then he gets to play with a more loaded team, but he gives up like 40M and LAL loses him for nothing.

2) GS: Trade this summer and play this year and next year. Maybe one after depending on how things play out/how he looks. Gets a shot to win it all with Curry and GS is desperate at this point too. May work out for all parties.

GS gets a chance to win, LAL gets Kuminga, Wiggins, salary filler, and at least 1 1st, then maybe 1-2 swaps?

3) Kings: Demar, Monk/Huerter, Lyles works basically salary wise. But I think the Kings can take on less salary and just do Demar and 1 of Monk/Huerter. Keep Lyles for another move. Kings add a 1st and 1-2 swaps

Lebron gets to play in CA still, but for a team that may have some more overall talent

Kings push in chips and then move other picks for another 1-2 pieces

Lakers get some pieces to win now and a 1st and 1-2 swaps

4) Suns: It would be Beal and a 2031 swap. They can add Ryan Dunn. But I dont see why LAL does this besides doing Bron a favor or being very high on Dunn. Can Allen or Nurk be added/find value from a 3rd team, maybe?

Suns love this deal and can become the #1 team in the league if healthy

Idk if I see another team making any sense at this point

[Ian Scuffling]

I’ve said it before, lebrons first priority is to live in LA, with heavy preference for the Lakers. Everything else is secondary, including winning another title.

All signs indicate this to be true. The craziest thing, and I would think this would get to his ego, is that he is never winning over the Kobe fanboys. Ever. Then again, maybe he doesn't care. But, again, his life. He needs to do what he wants to do. As fans, it's just a shame he's given up on winning.

[nzahir]

Dennis getting moved for Melton and 2 2nds basically.... (its 3 2nds, but BKN also throwing one in)

Sooo how is Pelinka not consdered a **** idiot?

I better see us make multiple moves and or go and get Jimmy

[RCM88x]

50% chance the Lakers will make a small trade that everyone will praise and say it'll change things but ultimately make zero difference. Roster needs a whole makeover and I don't think the Lakers want to do that. They value their mid 1st draft picks way too much to part with them.

[Fadeaway_J]

Dennis getting moved for Melton and 2 2nds basically.... (its 3 2nds, but BKN also throwing one in)

Sooo how is Pelinka not consdered a **** idiot?

I better see us make multiple moves and or go and get Jimmy

Right, we all know how highly regarded Pelinka is

[Fadeaway_J]

50% chance the Lakers will make a small trade that everyone will praise and say it'll change things but ultimately make zero difference. Roster needs a whole makeover and I don't think the Lakers want to do that. They value their mid 1st draft picks way too much to part with them.

It would be nice if a front office makeover preceded the roster makeover.

[mcraft]

I think the Lakers are pretty much going to ride it out until LeBron retires and then start a rebuild. I don't think they can make a move that will make them contenders with the current roster construction plus LeBron declining.

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[trickshot]

Dennis getting moved for Melton and 2 2nds basically.... (its 3 2nds, but BKN also throwing one in)

Sooo how is Pelinka not consdered a **** idiot?

I better see us make multiple moves and or go and get Jimmy

Yeah now there's no saving that guard defense. Wasting all summer chasing Klay was another Kawhi. Thought there was even an inkling of a backup plan but it's starting to seem you guys were telling the truth about the guy being straight idiot. That was like the 4th time kneecapping the team with that flashy bet strategy. Lucked out on Kawhi, Giannis saved them by not hitting free agency because he probably wasn't joining Lakers and Rob was going to create capspace for nothing, chasing Westbrook was brainless and Klay was always unnecessary.

That whole outfit is starting to look like a darwinist tailgate where one idiot makes the even more idiot decision to hitch their wagon to the next idiot.

[nzahir]

Dennis getting moved for Melton and 2 2nds basically.... (its 3 2nds, but BKN also throwing one in)

Sooo how is Pelinka not consdered a **** idiot?

I better see us make multiple moves and or go and get Jimmy

Yeah now there's no saving that guard defense. Wasting all summer chasing Klay was another Kawhi. Thought there was even an inkling of a backup plan but it's starting to seem you guys were telling the truth about the guy being straight idiot. That was like the 4th time kneecapping the team with that flashy bet strategy. Lucked out on Kawhi, Giannis saved them by not hitting free agency because he probably wasn't joining Lakers and Rob was going to create capspace for nothing, chasing Westbrook was brainless and Klay was always unnecessary.

That whole outfit is starting to look like a darwinist tailgate where one idiot makes the even more idiot decision to hitch their wagon to the next idiot.

Dennis wasnt fixing it either, hes too small and doesnt grade out well even for a guard

I would shoot for Jimmy if he can be had for a 1st and 1-2 swaps. Rui, Vando, Dlo and Hayes for Jimmy and their 2nd rounder for salary. Can also do JHS and they throw in Burks or Jrich

If its the 1st move, then throw BKN a couple of 2nds and JHS for Sharpe?

Reaves, Knecht, Butler, Bron, AD
Vincent, Christie, Cam?, Wood, Sharpe

Can also look at moving Vincent and or Christie

Next option is dealing with BKN. Can a 1st, 2nds, and a swap get us CamJ, DFS, and Sharpe?

Likely not, but they literally just took a couple 2nds and an injured Melton for Dennis (who is arguably playing the best of those guys, would rank his value 2nd after CamJ though)

If we can get just 1 of the wings and Sharpe, then go and get Lonzo after

[trickshot]

Dennis getting moved for Melton and 2 2nds basically.... (its 3 2nds, but BKN also throwing one in)

Sooo how is Pelinka not consdered a **** idiot?

I better see us make multiple moves and or go and get Jimmy

Yeah now there's no saving that guard defense. Wasting all summer chasing Klay was another Kawhi. Thought there was even an inkling of a backup plan but it's starting to seem you guys were telling the truth about the guy being straight idiot. That was like the 4th time kneecapping the team with that flashy bet strategy. Lucked out on Kawhi, Giannis saved them by not hitting free agency because he probably wasn't joining Lakers and Rob was going to create capspace for nothing, chasing Westbrook was brainless and Klay was always unnecessary.

That whole outfit is starting to look like a darwinist tailgate where one idiot makes the even more idiot decision to hitch their wagon to the next idiot.

Dennis wasnt fixing it either, hes too small and doesnt grade out well even for a guard

I would shoot for Jimmy if he can be had for a 1st and 1-2 swaps. Rui, Vando, Dlo and Hayes for Jimmy and their 2nd rounder for salary. Can also do JHS and they throw in Burks or Jrich

If its the 1st move, then throw BKN a couple of 2nds and JHS for Sharpe?

Reaves, Knecht, Butler, Bron, AD
Vincent, Christie, Cam?, Wood, Sharpe

Can also look at moving Vincent and or Christie

Next option is dealing with BKN. Can a 1st, 2nds, and a swap get us CamJ, DFS, and Sharpe?

Likely not, but they literally just took a couple 2nds and an injured Melton for Dennis (who is arguably playing the best of those guys, would rank his value 2nd after CamJ though)

If we can get just 1 of the wings and Sharpe, then go and get Lonzo after

If you ask me if you come from the perspective of needing a fix you are going to come to the conclusion it's better to blow the whole thing up. That deal doesn't exist midseason. Lakers don't have a talent issue they have a roster functionality issue. That is age, injury availability, athleticism, motor and lack of contract upside.

They need to alleviate them with 2 or 3 rotation players that can fit into a closing lineup not more homerun attempts. Lonzo especially is not what you need when you have less availability than ability.

[dcstanley]

Dennis getting moved for Melton and 2 2nds basically.... (its 3 2nds, but BKN also throwing one in)

Sooo how is Pelinka not consdered a **** idiot?

I better see us make multiple moves and or go and get Jimmy

Yeah now there's no saving that guard defense. Wasting all summer chasing Klay was another Kawhi. Thought there was even an inkling of a backup plan but it's starting to seem you guys were telling the truth about the guy being straight idiot. That was like the 4th time kneecapping the team with that flashy bet strategy. Lucked out on Kawhi, Giannis saved them by not hitting free agency because he probably wasn't joining Lakers and Rob was going to create capspace for nothing, chasing Westbrook was brainless and Klay was always unnecessary.

That whole outfit is starting to look like a darwinist tailgate where one idiot makes the even more idiot decision to hitch their wagon to the next idiot.

Dennis wasnt fixing it either, hes too small and doesnt grade out well even for a guard

I would shoot for Jimmy if he can be had for a 1st and 1-2 swaps. Rui, Vando, Dlo and Hayes for Jimmy and their 2nd rounder for salary. Can also do JHS and they throw in Burks or Jrich

If its the 1st move, then throw BKN a couple of 2nds and JHS for Sharpe?

Reaves, Knecht, Butler, Bron, AD
Vincent, Christie, Cam?, Wood, Sharpe

Can also look at moving Vincent and or Christie

Next option is dealing with BKN. Can a 1st, 2nds, and a swap get us CamJ, DFS, and Sharpe?

Likely not, but they literally just took a couple 2nds and an injured Melton for Dennis (who is arguably playing the best of those guys, would rank his value 2nd after CamJ though)

If we can get just 1 of the wings and Sharpe, then go and get Lonzo after

DLO/Rui/JHS/Lewis for Johnson/DFS
DLO/JHS for Kessler/Sexton

These are the only trade iterations I can see them parting with a FRP and more for. Don't think they have the appetite to trade a first to pay an aging Butler the contract he wants and I don't think anyone else on the market is worth a FRP.

You can get guys like Lonzo, Simmons, Lavine, maybe Vucevic without giving up a 1st but how much do they help the team after you salary match? you need 2-3 high impact starting level guys that can come in and soak up 30-35 MPG for this team to even be relevant again.

[Mos_Heat]

50% chance the Lakers will make a small trade that everyone will praise and say it'll change things but ultimately make zero difference. Roster needs a whole makeover and I don't think the Lakers want to do that. They value their mid 1st draft picks way too much to part with them.

Even if they want a makeover it's an off season activity. This roster has major holes all over the place, can't fix that just with trades

[nzahir]

50% chance the Lakers will make a small trade that everyone will praise and say it'll change things but ultimately make zero difference. Roster needs a whole makeover and I don't think the Lakers want to do that. They value their mid 1st draft picks way too much to part with them.

Even if they want a makeover it's an off season activity. This roster has major holes all over the place, can't fix that just with trades

Dont have another year to waste

Pelinka blew that chance this summer

Need a makeover this season

I still think Bron and AD are a winning duo in the playoffs under the right circumstances

Reaves and Knecht are playoff guys

Dlo, Rui, and our bigs arent

If we had Miami Vincent and a healthy Vando, it would be help. But since we dont, should look to maybe move both

[nzahir]

Yeah now there's no saving that guard defense. Wasting all summer chasing Klay was another Kawhi. Thought there was even an inkling of a backup plan but it's starting to seem you guys were telling the truth about the guy being straight idiot. That was like the 4th time kneecapping the team with that flashy bet strategy. Lucked out on Kawhi, Giannis saved them by not hitting free agency because he probably wasn't joining Lakers and Rob was going to create capspace for nothing, chasing Westbrook was brainless and Klay was always unnecessary.

That whole outfit is starting to look like a darwinist tailgate where one idiot makes the even more idiot decision to hitch their wagon to the next idiot.

Dennis wasnt fixing it either, hes too small and doesnt grade out well even for a guard

I would shoot for Jimmy if he can be had for a 1st and 1-2 swaps. Rui, Vando, Dlo and Hayes for Jimmy and their 2nd rounder for salary. Can also do JHS and they throw in Burks or Jrich

If its the 1st move, then throw BKN a couple of 2nds and JHS for Sharpe?

Reaves, Knecht, Butler, Bron, AD
Vincent, Christie, Cam?, Wood, Sharpe

Can also look at moving Vincent and or Christie

Next option is dealing with BKN. Can a 1st, 2nds, and a swap get us CamJ, DFS, and Sharpe?

Likely not, but they literally just took a couple 2nds and an injured Melton for Dennis (who is arguably playing the best of those guys, would rank his value 2nd after CamJ though)

If we can get just 1 of the wings and Sharpe, then go and get Lonzo after

DLO/Rui/JHS/Lewis for Johnson/DFS
DLO/JHS for Kessler/Sexton

These are the only trade iterations I can see them parting with a FRP and more for. Don't think they have the appetite to trade a first to pay an aging Butler the contract he wants and I don't think anyone else on the market is worth a FRP.

You can get guys like Lonzo, Simmons, Lavine, maybe Vucevic without giving up a 1st but how much do they help the team after you salary match? you need 2-3 high impact starting level guys that can come in and soak up 30-35 MPG for this team to even be relevant again.

I dont get what Sexton fixes honestly

His defense rates out poorly. Anyone have defensive stats that I am not seeing?

At least he can attack the rim, but doesnt solve the defense

See what BKN would give up for a 1st, a 28 swap, and 2-3 2nds. Can it get all 3 of CamJ, DFS, and Sharpe? Or can it least get CamJ and DFS (Dlo, Rui and Hayes/JHS)

If it can, that solves a lot of issues. Then swing Vando and some 2nds for Rw3

Reaves, DFS, CamJ, Bron, AD
Vincent, Christie, Reddish, Rui, RW3
Wood

If not, then see if we can get DFS and Sharpe for Vando, Vincent and the 29 1st with some protections

Then offer Chi Dlo, JHS, and 1-2 2nds for Lonzo

SIgn Fultz

Lonzo, Reaves, DFS, Bron, AD,
Fultz, Knect, Christie, Rui, Sharpe
Wood

Still can move Rui if needed

[Mos_Heat]

50% chance the Lakers will make a small trade that everyone will praise and say it'll change things but ultimately make zero difference. Roster needs a whole makeover and I don't think the Lakers want to do that. They value their mid 1st draft picks way too much to part with them.

Even if they want a makeover it's an off season activity. This roster has major holes all over the place, can't fix that just with trades

Dont have another year to waste

Pelinka blew that chance this summer

Need a makeover this season

I still think Bron and AD are a winning duo in the playoffs under the right circumstances

Reaves and Knecht are playoff guys

Dlo, Rui, and our bigs arent

If we had Miami Vincent and a healthy Vando, it would be help. But since we dont, should look to maybe move both

Knecht is not a playoff guy cmon.

Ok just for a thought experiment - would you trade Hachimura and Wood + 1st for DFS and Sharpe.

Then trade Russell, Vincent, JHS and Vanderbilt for Lavine(in a complicated 3 way trade including the Pistons)

[dcstanley]

Lebron/Hayes/Bronny for Kuminga/GP2/Looney/Wiggins

Lebron/Wood/Reddish/Bronny for Okoro/Strus/Niang/Levert/2030 Cavs 1st rounder

Let's hope one of these end up happening. Second one would be amazing.

[nzahir]

Even if they want a makeover it's an off season activity. This roster has major holes all over the place, can't fix that just with trades

Dont have another year to waste

Pelinka blew that chance this summer

Need a makeover this season

I still think Bron and AD are a winning duo in the playoffs under the right circumstances

Reaves and Knecht are playoff guys

Dlo, Rui, and our bigs arent

If we had Miami Vincent and a healthy Vando, it would be help. But since we dont, should look to maybe move both

Knecht is not a playoff guy cmon.

Ok just for a thought experiment - would you trade Hachimura and Wood + 1st for DFS and Sharpe.

Then trade Russell, Vincent, JHS and Vanderbilt for Lavine(in a complicated 3 way trade including the Pistons)

Why isnt Knecht a playoff guy? Hes a multi level scorer

Can we do Rui and Hayes and a 1st (assuming it will have decent protections on this) for DFS and Sharpe? I dont think those guys warrant a potentially very good 1st, so needs decent protections

I would make these moves. but then we need to sign multiple guys and that pushes us into the 2nd apron right? Which is fine I think since this summer Lebron can take less

Reaves, Lavine, DFS, Bron, AD
Fultz?, Christie, Knecht, Wood, Sharpe

Top trade options are

BKN in some sort of CamJ, DFS, Sharpe deal or go the weird route of Ben Simmons
Chi: Multiple routes. Can go for Lonzo, Lavine, or even Vuc. Or Vuc and Zo
Miami: Jimmy Butler deal
Portland: Grant and RW3. Can it be done for a 29 1st that has some protections.

I think BKN is the easiest team to work with

I dont think we want super long term money for a guy like Grant or maybe even Lavine, but that is up to Jeanie and Rob

Jimmy or Lavine probably give us the highest ceilings though. And we get to consolidate a bunch of guys who aren't providing a ton

What decent FAs are left though?

Fultz, DSJ, RoCo, Keita Bates-Diop, Marcus Morris are the best I see

[TheGOATRises007]

Lebron/Hayes/Bronny for Kuminga/GP2/Looney/Wiggins

Lebron/Wood/Reddish/Bronny for Okoro/Strus/Niang/Levert/2030 Cavs 1st rounder

Let's hope one of these end up happening. Second one would be amazing.

I highly doubt LeBron will go to GS.

Cleveland maybe. Not sure that trade is something the Lakers would do though unless they do it out of loyalty to LeBron.