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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5801 » by 70sFan » Sun May 29, 2022 2:51 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Is it really "DNA," or is it a poorly-designed sport with no parity? I always scratch my head when people complain about American sports not working like soccer, with pro/rel and all that, when you have these teams like Real Madrid who have never been relegated in their 120+ year history and never will be, who have unlimited money to buy any player they want whenever they want, and win the Champions League damn near every year. Never understood the appeal of soccer when every country seems to have a couple teams like this that are insurmountable for anyone else to compete with.

I think this posts says more about your lack of knowledge about football than the problems of this sport.
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Post#5802 » by Dutchball97 » Sun May 29, 2022 3:28 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Is it really "DNA," or is it a poorly-designed sport with no parity? I always scratch my head when people complain about American sports not working like soccer, with pro/rel and all that, when you have these teams like Real Madrid who have never been relegated in their 120+ year history and never will be, who have unlimited money to buy any player they want whenever they want, and win the Champions League damn near every year. Never understood the appeal of soccer when every country seems to have a couple teams like this that are insurmountable for anyone else to compete with.


You say Real Madrid can win the CL nearly every year but they've won it 14 times, while the Lakers and Celtics both won 17 NBA championships. There have also been 22 teams that have managed to win the CL compared to 19 (20 if you count the original Bullets winning the BAA title in 1948) teams winning a NBA title. Doesn't look like the NBA has that much more parity despite doing everything they can to force it.

The NBA tries to create artificial parity by rewarding teams for playing as bad as they physically can and with that literally encourages the bottom half of the league to lose as much as possible if they can't win the title. In football even teams that will never sniff even qualifying for the Champions League will have to play hard till the last day in their domestic competitions to make sure they don't become complacent and lose their spot to a hungrier team.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5803 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 4:04 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:Is it really "DNA," or is it a poorly-designed sport with no parity? I always scratch my head when people complain about American sports not working like soccer, with pro/rel and all that, when you have these teams like Real Madrid who have never been relegated in their 120+ year history and never will be, who have unlimited money to buy any player they want whenever they want, and win the Champions League damn near every year. Never understood the appeal of soccer when every country seems to have a couple teams like this that are insurmountable for anyone else to compete with.

I think this posts says more about your lack of knowledge about football than the problems of this sport.


i think there is somethingh to be said about soccer money disparities tho

is a problem through soccer history that is only getting more steep

bayern munich has won 10 titles in a row in germany and doesnt look to stop

italy has the same 3 teams winning the last 20 years

spain has rhe same 3 teams so much richer than the rest that are the only ones taken as serious league threats (and it used to be 2)

champions league alleviatea this issue cause it brings contenders from multiple countries (hence a big contender pool) and the elimination format adds volatility compared to a year long 38-games league

but is a issue at the league level, most teams only hope of ever winning a league is being bought by some billoinare
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5804 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 4:20 pm

soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano
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Post#5805 » by 70sFan » Sun May 29, 2022 4:50 pm

falcolombardi wrote:soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano

It's not sport's problem though. Basketball leagues in Europe don't have more parity than football leagues.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5806 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 4:54 pm

70sFan wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano

It's not sport's problem though. Basketball leagues in Europe don't have more parity than football leagues.


basketball in europe doesnt have the absurds amount of money soccer has

a 8 million vs 27 million budget in a a basketball league creates less separation than a 170 million vs 20 million disparity in a soccer one

anyway my point is that soccer has a serious issue with teams disparity in money
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5807 » by Dutchball97 » Sun May 29, 2022 4:56 pm

falcolombardi wrote:soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano


Rayo Vallecano is not even among the 100 most valuable clubs in Europe though. So of course they're going to be much worse than Real Madrid but one thing you're forgetting is at least they exist.

There are only 30 pro basketball teams in all of North America, meanwhile there are 38 pro soccer teams in just the Netherlands alone. If European soccer used the same structure as the NBA then all but 1-3 of these teams would cease to exist. Seeing as how more than half the US states don't even have a team in the NBA, a similar structure would see entire nations end up without a single European team.

The top 30 soccer teams in Europe in any given year have as much, if not more, parity than the NBA. It's just that there are many, many more teams of varying levels with tons of local support that can have cinderella runs of their own like for example Leicester in the Premier League or like half the CL winners in the 90s.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5808 » by 70sFan » Sun May 29, 2022 4:57 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
70sFan wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano

It's not sport's problem though. Basketball leagues in Europe don't have more parity than football leagues.


basketball in europe doesnt have the absurds amount of money soccer has

a 8 million vs 27 million budget in a a basketball league creates less separation than a 170 million vs 20 million disparity in a soccer one

anyway my point is that soccer has a serious issue with teams disparity in money

Sure, there is more money in football than in any other sport in Europe. Disparity is still a thing in all pro sports in Europe.

You can't compare that to American sports, because all teams have absurd amount of money in the US leagues. Even the worst teams in the NBA have more money than most football teams period.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5809 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 5:01 pm

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falcolombardi wrote:soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano


Rayo Vallecano is not even among the 100 most valuable clubs in Europe though. So of course they're going to be much worse than Real Madrid but one thing you're forgetting is at least they exist.

There are only 30 pro basketball teams in all of North America, meanwhile there are 38 pro soccer teams in just the Netherlands alone. If European soccer used the same structure as the NBA then all but 1-3 of these teams would cease to exist. Seeing as how more than half the US states don't even have a team in the NBA, a similar structure would see entire nations end up without a single European team.

The top 30 soccer teams in Europe in any given year have as much, if not more, parity than the NBA. It's just that there are many, many more teams of varying levels with tons of local support that can have cinderella runs of their own like for example Leicester in the Premier League or like half the CL winners in the 90s.


so what stops the spanish league from instituting some degree of revenue sharing or spending limits so the difference between madrid and vallecano is 2 or 3 times rather than 10?

it seema too comformist at times how they let a oil prince buy a team then proceed to outspend every team in its own league by like 10 times (paris saint germain)

and this is not just a concern of me, soccer fans in europe are the most annoyed at the growing disparities between the billoinare clubs and everyone else and fans of small teams have always disliked that their teams are esssentially perennial cannon fodder

the only soccer fans i see liking the status quo were fans of the richer teams (madrid, bayern, mamchester united) and they suddendly changed their tune when city and paris appeared with much more money to spend than them too
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5810 » by Dutchball97 » Sun May 29, 2022 5:17 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:soccer is inherently a morr volatile sport than basketball, by a ton

the nature of low scoring games like soccer or hockey is that they have a stronger variance compared to high scoring games like volleyball or basketball (because one lucky or unlucku goal is a much bigger deal to overcome)

that soccer at the local level (national leagues) has less parity than basketball tells you how much worse team disparity of budgets and access to talent is

nba big vs small market disparity has NOTHINGH on the difference between real madrid and rayo vallecano


Rayo Vallecano is not even among the 100 most valuable clubs in Europe though. So of course they're going to be much worse than Real Madrid but one thing you're forgetting is at least they exist.

There are only 30 pro basketball teams in all of North America, meanwhile there are 38 pro soccer teams in just the Netherlands alone. If European soccer used the same structure as the NBA then all but 1-3 of these teams would cease to exist. Seeing as how more than half the US states don't even have a team in the NBA, a similar structure would see entire nations end up without a single European team.

The top 30 soccer teams in Europe in any given year have as much, if not more, parity than the NBA. It's just that there are many, many more teams of varying levels with tons of local support that can have cinderella runs of their own like for example Leicester in the Premier League or like half the CL winners in the 90s.


so what stops the spanish league from instituting some degree of revenue sharing or spending limits so the difference between madrid and vallecano is 2 or 3 times rather than 10?

it seema too comformist at times how they let a oil prince buy a team then proceed to outspend every team in its own league by like 10 times (paris saint germain)

and this is not just a concern of me, soccer fans in europe are the most annoyed at the growing disparities between the billoinare clubs and everyone else and fans of small teams have always disliked that their teams are esssentially perennial cannon fodder

the only soccer fans i see liking the status quo were fans of the richer teams (madrid, bayern, mamchester united) and they suddendly changed their tune when city and paris appeared with much more money to spend than them too


There are of course pros and cons to both the European football pyramid and the NBA system. The massive influx of billionaire owners isn't generally seen as a positive thing. The chance that smaller teams can compete is growing smaller every year but at least there is a chance.

The proposed super league is very similar to the NBA as it was a closed system with just a bunch of clubs who happen to have the richest owners and people would rather let UEFA run away with their first born than even consider the super league. So it isn't like the annoyed fans would want to replace the current system with something more like the NBA.

Revenue sharing to the degree you suggest in La Liga would eliminate Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico, Sevilla and all other Spanish clubs from competing with the English teams as even if they themselves had a similar revenue sharing system they'd still in average get much more due to the tv money being much higher for the Premier League than for any other league.

I wouldn't be opposed to a European super league but only with promotion/relegation. It'd be such a shame to have a bunch of teams with a ton of history be reduced to nothing, while Arsenal would just chill at the bottom of the standings for the rest of eternity.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5811 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 5:27 pm

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falcolombardi wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
Rayo Vallecano is not even among the 100 most valuable clubs in Europe though. So of course they're going to be much worse than Real Madrid but one thing you're forgetting is at least they exist.

There are only 30 pro basketball teams in all of North America, meanwhile there are 38 pro soccer teams in just the Netherlands alone. If European soccer used the same structure as the NBA then all but 1-3 of these teams would cease to exist. Seeing as how more than half the US states don't even have a team in the NBA, a similar structure would see entire nations end up without a single European team.

The top 30 soccer teams in Europe in any given year have as much, if not more, parity than the NBA. It's just that there are many, many more teams of varying levels with tons of local support that can have cinderella runs of their own like for example Leicester in the Premier League or like half the CL winners in the 90s.


so what stops the spanish league from instituting some degree of revenue sharing or spending limits so the difference between madrid and vallecano is 2 or 3 times rather than 10?

it seema too comformist at times how they let a oil prince buy a team then proceed to outspend every team in its own league by like 10 times (paris saint germain)

and this is not just a concern of me, soccer fans in europe are the most annoyed at the growing disparities between the billoinare clubs and everyone else and fans of small teams have always disliked that their teams are esssentially perennial cannon fodder

the only soccer fans i see liking the status quo were fans of the richer teams (madrid, bayern, mamchester united) and they suddendly changed their tune when city and paris appeared with much more money to spend than them too


There are of course pros and cons to both the European football pyramid and the NBA system. The massive influx of billionaire owners isn't generally seen as a positive thing. The chance that smaller teams can compete is growing smaller every year but at least there is a chance.

The proposed super league is very similar to the NBA as it was a closed system with just a bunch of clubs who happen to have the richest owners and people would rather let UEFA run away with their first born than even consider the super league. So it isn't like the annoyed fans would want to replace the current system with something more like the NBA.

Revenue sharing to the degree you suggest in La Liga would eliminate Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico, Sevilla and all other Spanish clubs from competing with the English teams as even if they themselves had a similar revenue sharing system they'd still in average get much more due to the tv money being much higher for the Premier League than for any other league.

I wouldn't be opposed to a European super league but only with promotion/relegation. It'd be such a shame to have a bunch of teams with a ton of history be reduced to nothing, while Arsenal would just chill at the bottom of the standings for the rest of eternity.



but the premier league already revenue shares tv money, which helps it be a bit more balanced than other main leagues

what you mention with madrid and spain is essentially screwing the rest of the league sp madrid, atletico and barcelona are wealthy enough to (win every spanish league) compete against premier league teams in europe

hardly ideal either if a vast majority of teams must remain with **** budgets so the same teans at the top as always can compete against other nations
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5812 » by jalengreen » Sun May 29, 2022 6:55 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:Is it really "DNA," or is it a poorly-designed sport with no parity? I always scratch my head when people complain about American sports not working like soccer, with pro/rel and all that, when you have these teams like Real Madrid who have never been relegated in their 120+ year history and never will be, who have unlimited money to buy any player they want whenever they want, and win the Champions League damn near every year. Never understood the appeal of soccer when every country seems to have a couple teams like this that are insurmountable for anyone else to compete with.


You say Real Madrid can win the CL nearly every year but they've won it 14 times, while the Lakers and Celtics both won 17 NBA championships. There have also been 22 teams that have managed to win the CL compared to 19 (20 if you count the original Bullets winning the BAA title in 1948) teams winning a NBA title. Doesn't look like the NBA has that much more parity despite doing everything they can to force it.

The NBA tries to create artificial parity by rewarding teams for playing as bad as they physically can and with that literally encourages the bottom half of the league to lose as much as possible if they can't win the title. In football even teams that will never sniff even qualifying for the Champions League will have to play hard till the last day in their domestic competitions to make sure they don't become complacent and lose their spot to a hungrier team.


i don't really think UCL to NBA is the best comparison to make

real madrid has 35 la liga wins in their history and have been runner-up 24 times.

champions league is a competition that you have to qualify for by excelling in your domestic league, no? so why are we directly comparing the NBA to it? NBA to la liga seems like a more direct comparison.

NBA Is a pool of 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs

meanwhile 15 countries were represented in the champions league. the pool of teams that can qualify is far greater and the pool of teams that competes directly (32 team group stage) is greater. yet real madrid still dominates
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5813 » by Dutchball97 » Sun May 29, 2022 7:11 pm

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Dutchball97 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Is it really "DNA," or is it a poorly-designed sport with no parity? I always scratch my head when people complain about American sports not working like soccer, with pro/rel and all that, when you have these teams like Real Madrid who have never been relegated in their 120+ year history and never will be, who have unlimited money to buy any player they want whenever they want, and win the Champions League damn near every year. Never understood the appeal of soccer when every country seems to have a couple teams like this that are insurmountable for anyone else to compete with.


You say Real Madrid can win the CL nearly every year but they've won it 14 times, while the Lakers and Celtics both won 17 NBA championships. There have also been 22 teams that have managed to win the CL compared to 19 (20 if you count the original Bullets winning the BAA title in 1948) teams winning a NBA title. Doesn't look like the NBA has that much more parity despite doing everything they can to force it.

The NBA tries to create artificial parity by rewarding teams for playing as bad as they physically can and with that literally encourages the bottom half of the league to lose as much as possible if they can't win the title. In football even teams that will never sniff even qualifying for the Champions League will have to play hard till the last day in their domestic competitions to make sure they don't become complacent and lose their spot to a hungrier team.


i don't really think UCL to NBA is the best comparison to make

real madrid has 35 la liga wins in their history and have been runner-up 24 times.

champions league is a competition that you have to qualify for by excelling in your domestic league, no? so why are we directly comparing the NBA to it? NBA to la liga seems like a more direct comparison.

NBA Is a pool of 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs

meanwhile 15 countries were represented in the champions league. the pool of teams that can qualify is far greater and the pool of teams that competes directly (32 team group stage) is greater. yet real madrid still dominates


You can't make a one on one comparison with any football league because they don't compete in just one competition like the NBA. You've got to take into account the European competitions, the domestic leagues and the domestic cups. If you create more parity in Europe that disturbs the balance domestically but create parity domestically and the balance in Europe changes. Bringing the cups into it where even amateur teams take part makes it even more impossble.
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Post#5814 » by jalengreen » Sun May 29, 2022 7:16 pm

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Dutchball97 wrote:
You say Real Madrid can win the CL nearly every year but they've won it 14 times, while the Lakers and Celtics both won 17 NBA championships. There have also been 22 teams that have managed to win the CL compared to 19 (20 if you count the original Bullets winning the BAA title in 1948) teams winning a NBA title. Doesn't look like the NBA has that much more parity despite doing everything they can to force it.

The NBA tries to create artificial parity by rewarding teams for playing as bad as they physically can and with that literally encourages the bottom half of the league to lose as much as possible if they can't win the title. In football even teams that will never sniff even qualifying for the Champions League will have to play hard till the last day in their domestic competitions to make sure they don't become complacent and lose their spot to a hungrier team.


i don't really think UCL to NBA is the best comparison to make

real madrid has 35 la liga wins in their history and have been runner-up 24 times.

champions league is a competition that you have to qualify for by excelling in your domestic league, no? so why are we directly comparing the NBA to it? NBA to la liga seems like a more direct comparison.

NBA Is a pool of 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs

meanwhile 15 countries were represented in the champions league. the pool of teams that can qualify is far greater and the pool of teams that competes directly (32 team group stage) is greater. yet real madrid still dominates


You can't make a one on one comparison with any football league because they don't compete in just one competition like the NBA. You've got to take into account the European competitions, the domestic leagues and the domestic cups. If you create more parity in Europe that disturbs the balance domestically but create parity domestically and the balance in Europe changes. Bringing the cups into it where even amateur teams take part makes it even more impossble.


but you didn't take that into account, that's my point.

on the discussion of parity between the UCL and NBA, you cite NBA finals wins and UCL wins. completely ignoring the far greater pool of teams that are able to qualify and compete for the UCL and the fact that the UCL is the best of the best teams in europe
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5815 » by Dutchball97 » Sun May 29, 2022 7:27 pm

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Dutchball97 wrote:
jalengreen wrote:
i don't really think UCL to NBA is the best comparison to make

real madrid has 35 la liga wins in their history and have been runner-up 24 times.

champions league is a competition that you have to qualify for by excelling in your domestic league, no? so why are we directly comparing the NBA to it? NBA to la liga seems like a more direct comparison.

NBA Is a pool of 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs

meanwhile 15 countries were represented in the champions league. the pool of teams that can qualify is far greater and the pool of teams that competes directly (32 team group stage) is greater. yet real madrid still dominates


You can't make a one on one comparison with any football league because they don't compete in just one competition like the NBA. You've got to take into account the European competitions, the domestic leagues and the domestic cups. If you create more parity in Europe that disturbs the balance domestically but create parity domestically and the balance in Europe changes. Bringing the cups into it where even amateur teams take part makes it even more impossble.


but you didn't take that into account, that's my point.

on the discussion of parity between the UCL and NBA, you cite NBA finals wins and UCL wins. completely ignoring the far greater pool of teams that are able to qualify and compete for the UCL and the fact that the UCL is the best of the best teams in europe


The initial comment I replied to talked about Real Madrid dominating the Champions League so I replied how it isn't even that lopsided. Real Madrid won their 6th title in 66 and didn't win their 7th till 98, they also had a 11 year drought before their most recent stretch of 5 titles in 9 seasons.

The point is also that the NBA is equivalent to the Champions League in terms of the best teams from the continent facing each other. The amount of teams is also nearly the same (30 and 32). Everything outside the Champions League is pretty much extra compared to the NBA.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5816 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 7:31 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:
jalengreen wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
You can't make a one on one comparison with any football league because they don't compete in just one competition like the NBA. You've got to take into account the European competitions, the domestic leagues and the domestic cups. If you create more parity in Europe that disturbs the balance domestically but create parity domestically and the balance in Europe changes. Bringing the cups into it where even amateur teams take part makes it even more impossble.


but you didn't take that into account, that's my point.

on the discussion of parity between the UCL and NBA, you cite NBA finals wins and UCL wins. completely ignoring the far greater pool of teams that are able to qualify and compete for the UCL and the fact that the UCL is the best of the best teams in europe


The initial comment I replied to talked about Real Madrid dominating the Champions League so I replied how it isn't even that lopsided. Real Madrid won their 6th title in 66 and didn't win their 7th till 98, they also had a 11 year drought before their most recent stretch of 5 titles in 9 seasons.

The point is also that the NBA is equivalent to the Champions League in terms of the best teams from the continent facing each other. The amount of teams is also nearly the same (30 and 32). Everything outside the Champions League is pretty much extra compared to the NBA.


champions league is gonna remain fine

but the issue in domestic leagues is gonna get worse and worse, most leagues are 2-3 team leagues, some of them becoming 1-team leagues
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5817 » by jalengreen » Sun May 29, 2022 7:42 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:
jalengreen wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
You can't make a one on one comparison with any football league because they don't compete in just one competition like the NBA. You've got to take into account the European competitions, the domestic leagues and the domestic cups. If you create more parity in Europe that disturbs the balance domestically but create parity domestically and the balance in Europe changes. Bringing the cups into it where even amateur teams take part makes it even more impossble.


but you didn't take that into account, that's my point.

on the discussion of parity between the UCL and NBA, you cite NBA finals wins and UCL wins. completely ignoring the far greater pool of teams that are able to qualify and compete for the UCL and the fact that the UCL is the best of the best teams in europe


The initial comment I replied to talked about Real Madrid dominating the Champions League so I replied how it isn't even that lopsided. Real Madrid won their 6th title in 66 and didn't win their 7th till 98, they also had a 11 year drought before their most recent stretch of 5 titles in 9 seasons.

The point is also that the NBA is equivalent to the Champions League in terms of the best teams from the continent facing each other. The amount of teams is also nearly the same (30 and 32). Everything outside the Champions League is pretty much extra compared to the NBA.


there are hundreds of teams that can compete and win the champions league title. just so happens that only 32 qualify for it.

but there are only 30 teams that can compete in the NBA. there is no system for other teams to compete

real madrid winning the UCL means they topped HUNDREDS of teams. not just 32. it is an insane accomplishment
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5818 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 7:50 pm

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Dutchball97 wrote:
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but you didn't take that into account, that's my point.

on the discussion of parity between the UCL and NBA, you cite NBA finals wins and UCL wins. completely ignoring the far greater pool of teams that are able to qualify and compete for the UCL and the fact that the UCL is the best of the best teams in europe


The initial comment I replied to talked about Real Madrid dominating the Champions League so I replied how it isn't even that lopsided. Real Madrid won their 6th title in 66 and didn't win their 7th till 98, they also had a 11 year drought before their most recent stretch of 5 titles in 9 seasons.

The point is also that the NBA is equivalent to the Champions League in terms of the best teams from the continent facing each other. The amount of teams is also nearly the same (30 and 32). Everything outside the Champions League is pretty much extra compared to the NBA.


there are hundreds of teams that can compete and win the champions league title. just so happens that only 32 qualify for it.

but there are only 30 teams that can compete in the NBA. there is no system for other teams to compete

real madrid winning the UCL means they topped HUNDREDS of teams. not just 32. it is an insane accomplishment


while this is technically true, in practice there are only like 3-6 teams that are good enough to realisitically fight for the ucl every season, kinda like the nba seasons

regardless my points are not about the ucl, which is doing fine still, but about local leagues becoming essentially 1-2 team leagues bevause of the budget disparities
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5819 » by falcolombardi » Sun May 29, 2022 7:51 pm

jalengreen wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
jalengreen wrote:
but you didn't take that into account, that's my point.

on the discussion of parity between the UCL and NBA, you cite NBA finals wins and UCL wins. completely ignoring the far greater pool of teams that are able to qualify and compete for the UCL and the fact that the UCL is the best of the best teams in europe


The initial comment I replied to talked about Real Madrid dominating the Champions League so I replied how it isn't even that lopsided. Real Madrid won their 6th title in 66 and didn't win their 7th till 98, they also had a 11 year drought before their most recent stretch of 5 titles in 9 seasons.

The point is also that the NBA is equivalent to the Champions League in terms of the best teams from the continent facing each other. The amount of teams is also nearly the same (30 and 32). Everything outside the Champions League is pretty much extra compared to the NBA.


there are hundreds of teams that can compete and win the champions league title. just so happens that only 32 qualify for it.

but there are only 30 teams that can compete in the NBA. there is no system for other teams to compete

real madrid winning the UCL means they topped HUNDREDS of teams. not just 32. it is an insane accomplishment


while this is technically true, in practice there are only like 3-6 teams that are good enough to realisitically fight for the ucl every season, kinda like the nba seasons

regardless my points are not about the ucl, which is doing fine still, but about local leagues becoming essentially 1-2 team leagues bevause of the budget disparities

bayern munich is winning 10 titles in a row, italy and spain have only 3 teams win the last 20 years and france has a team so rich it can coast into winning 8-9 titles each decade while giving a half assed effort
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5820 » by jalengreen » Sun May 29, 2022 8:10 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
jalengreen wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:
The initial comment I replied to talked about Real Madrid dominating the Champions League so I replied how it isn't even that lopsided. Real Madrid won their 6th title in 66 and didn't win their 7th till 98, they also had a 11 year drought before their most recent stretch of 5 titles in 9 seasons.

The point is also that the NBA is equivalent to the Champions League in terms of the best teams from the continent facing each other. The amount of teams is also nearly the same (30 and 32). Everything outside the Champions League is pretty much extra compared to the NBA.


there are hundreds of teams that can compete and win the champions league title. just so happens that only 32 qualify for it.

but there are only 30 teams that can compete in the NBA. there is no system for other teams to compete

real madrid winning the UCL means they topped HUNDREDS of teams. not just 32. it is an insane accomplishment


while this is technically true, in practice there are only like 3-6 teams that are good enough to realisitically fight for the ucl every season, kinda like the nba seasons

regardless my points are not about the ucl, which is doing fine still, but about local leagues becoming essentially 1-2 team leagues bevause of the budget disparities

bayern munich is winning 10 titles in a row, italy and spain have only 3 teams win the last 20 years and france has a team so rich it can coast into winning 8-9 titles each decade while giving a half assed effort


that's kinda my point. out of the hundreds of teams in europe that can compete, only 3-6 have a real chance. it isn't the same as the nba when there are so many more teams that are able to qualify for the champions league. real madrid winning the UCL makes them champions of europe

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