2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5921 » by GSP » Mon May 30, 2022 4:51 am

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its not uncommon for homers to say their team will get eliminated at every challenge. p sure he has picked against the celtics in nearly every series lol

i honestly do not get how beating the heat guarantees they will struggle to the warriors who have never beaten a team as good as the heat.


its really bizarre how little people think of the heat.


I only picked the Bucks against us.... i knew for a fact wed destroy fraud ass Brooklyn. Thought Giannis would be too much like in 19 but them losing Khris turned out to be way bigger than i thought

we shouldve beat Miami in 5. They had an injured Jimmy, Lowry in and out of the lineup. Pj missing games and Herro missing 4 straight games.....their 3rd/4th best player and 6moy. The fact that it went 7 and basically to the final minute of game 7 is horrible

if it was against a fully healthy Heat team maybe itd be a better pill to swallow but not like this............


my brother in christ, your team last championship got taken to 7 by the 38 win hawks

being taken to 7 by heat has nothingh on that lol


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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5922 » by falcolombardi » Mon May 30, 2022 4:55 am

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falcolombardi wrote:to explain my comparision of boston and raptors, is because both are full of great defenders in every position, have a pest defensive guard (smart/lowry) a brilliant defense center who shots 3's (gasol/horford) a great defensive wing (tatum/kawhi) and great switching and no weak links

the difference with those raptors i think comes in the offensive end (althougg let it be said toronto won with a merely "ok" offense) tatum is not the scorer kawhi was, smart is not the passer lowry was, brown vs 19 siakam are comparable level players i guess

warriors have a less scary curry (assuming he doesnt finally catch fire in the finals) but their depth is much stronger now than their durant-less 2019 version


We dont have an offball defensive guard that can stick to Steph like Fvv could. He even got an Fmvp vote for his defense on him. Smart loses shooters alot happened against Brooklyn and against Miami. Bucks have 1 dimensional shooters so we didnt have to worry as much

and Jaylen is way better than Siakam we saw what happened the next playoffs when they matched up.........19 Warriors didnt have a Jordan Poole off the bench........hes averaging 18/5/3 on .673ts in playoffs.........i didnt mention Iggy since hes basically in Wiggins spot with Kd out for that series

19 Warriors didnt have Gp2 or Opj either. Opj gives at least a half of what Iggy gave. Gp2 is one of the best defensive Pgs, can hit open 3s and is a monster cutter and offensive rebounder.........this team is way more dynamic and dangerous


if you think smart is not the man to have on curry, who would celtics play there? how is pritchard off ball defense? white maybe?
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5923 » by GSP » Mon May 30, 2022 4:57 am

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falcolombardi wrote:to explain my comparision of boston and raptors, is because both are full of great defenders in every position, have a pest defensive guard (smart/lowry) a brilliant defense center who shots 3's (gasol/horford) a great defensive wing (tatum/kawhi) and great switching and no weak links

the difference with those raptors i think comes in the offensive end (althougg let it be said toronto won with a merely "ok" offense) tatum is not the scorer kawhi was, smart is not the passer lowry was, brown vs 19 siakam are comparable level players i guess

warriors have a less scary curry (assuming he doesnt finally catch fire in the finals) but their depth is much stronger now than their durant-less 2019 version


We dont have an offball defensive guard that can stick to Steph like Fvv could. He even got an Fmvp vote for his defense on him. Smart loses shooters alot happened against Brooklyn and against Miami. Bucks have 1 dimensional shooters so we didnt have to worry as much

and Jaylen is way better than Siakam we saw what happened the next playoffs when they matched up.........19 Warriors didnt have a Jordan Poole off the bench........hes averaging 18/5/3 on .673ts in playoffs.........i didnt mention Iggy since hes basically in Wiggins spot with Kd out for that series

19 Warriors didnt have Gp2 or Opj either. Opj gives at least a half of what Iggy gave. Gp2 is one of the best defensive Pgs, can hit open 3s and is a monster cutter and offensive rebounder.........this team is way more dynamic and dangerous


if you think smart is not the man to have on curry, who would celtics play there? how is pritchard off ball defense?


White would be the best option IMO. I remember him locking up Jamal Murray off screens in that 19 Denver Spurs series

Smart is great at getting through the initial screen......but the oncoming ones he gets stuck or loses his man alot.......and ends up with late closeouts or dumb fouls
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5924 » by GSP » Mon May 30, 2022 5:17 am

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eminence wrote:There were probably better plays available, but pulling up for an open 3 wasn't a bad play either


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What was the better play exactly..... We get back in transition. Strus isnt doing anything. Lowry is too far back and isnt taking Grant off the dribble that far out. Jaylen is already in position to slide down and help......the only other play was to get it to a cutting Oladipo who hasnt been finishing well or shooting free throws well for is he misses or gets fouled.......no one else was back and our defense wouldve been set if he waited much longer. With how Al was defending that game he couldve easily gotten a stop or block with that much space and hed already gotten a couple stops on Jimmy at the rim this game too. id take my chances with a Jimmy 3 which he already made in transition earlier this game


That still is very late in the play after Butler has already not pushed the ball and is pulling up.

Jimmy needed to push harder from the jump and get towards the rim to see what happens.

Jimmy was at 26% on the season for pullup 3s going into this game. He's just not a good enough shooter for him shooting early clock off the dribble 3s to ever be a great look.

Even an Oladipo catch and shoot (another not great shooter) is a better look.


Regular season stats like those become more irrelevant if we see a different playoff form.............like we did for Jimmy who was shooting 34%

also it seems most of those pullup 3s were in halfcourt

Read on Twitter


apparently Jimmy was shooting 47% from transition pullup 3s and he hit one at the end of the 2nd quarter when White was sagging off him the same as Al

Read on Twitter


literally the exact same shot, same gather, same amount of space given to him, same side of the wing..........
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5925 » by eminence » Mon May 30, 2022 5:28 am

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What was the better play exactly..... We get back in transition. Strus isnt doing anything. Lowry is too far back and isnt taking Grant off the dribble that far out. Jaylen is already in position to slide down and help......the only other play was to get it to a cutting Oladipo who hasnt been finishing well or shooting free throws well for is he misses or gets fouled.......no one else was back and our defense wouldve been set if he waited much longer. With how Al was defending that game he couldve easily gotten a stop or block with that much space and hed already gotten a couple stops on Jimmy at the rim this game too. id take my chances with a Jimmy 3 which he already made in transition earlier this game


That still is very late in the play after Butler has already not pushed the ball and is pulling up.

Jimmy needed to push harder from the jump and get towards the rim to see what happens.

Jimmy was at 26% on the season for pullup 3s going into this game. He's just not a good enough shooter for him shooting early clock off the dribble 3s to ever be a great look.

Even an Oladipo catch and shoot (another not great shooter) is a better look.


Regular season stats like those become less irrelevant if we see a different playoff form.............like we did for Jimmy who was shooting 34%

also it seems most of those pullup 3s were in halfcourt

Read on Twitter


apparently Jimmy was shooting 47% from transition pullup 3s and he hit one at the end of the 2nd quarter when White was sagging off him the same as Al

Read on Twitter


literally the exact same shot, same gather, same amount of space given to him, same side of the wing..........


I wonder what hellaciously small sample Bob shrunk it to to get that number.

Jimmy made 50 total 3s this season regular season and playoffs.

He ain't a good shooter from deep.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5926 » by Dooley » Mon May 30, 2022 5:33 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:i honestly do not get how beating the heat guarantees they will struggle to the warriors who have never beaten a team as good as the heat.


Memphis was a better team than Miami in the regular season

I mean I think it's a pretty evenly matched series but Memphis was a really good team and Golden State beat them pretty cleanly imo. yeah Morant injury but GS was already up 2-1 and Memphis had their biggest win of the series without him
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5927 » by CKRT » Mon May 30, 2022 5:41 am

What’s everyone got for the Finals?

I’m waffling between Warriors in 6 or Warriors in 5. I’m not a believer in the Celtics against this Warriors team yet.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5928 » by jalengreen » Mon May 30, 2022 5:54 am

early vegas odds have it at 59/41 in favor of the warriors.

i think that lines up with what i'd expect ... the warriors should be favorites but i definitely think the celtics have a very realistic shot at it. it'll come down to how effective their offense can be in the half court
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5929 » by GSP » Mon May 30, 2022 6:01 am

CKRT wrote:What’s everyone got for the Finals?

I’m waffling between Warriors in 6 or Warriors in 5. I’m not a believer in the Celtics against this Warriors team yet.


Warriors in 5

itll feel like it shouldve been Warriors in 6 b/c we'll have an absolutely massive choke in a game we shouldve won where Jayson plays like Pandemic P, Jaylen forgot how to dribble and or Smart takes 17 pullup 3s
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5930 » by WestGOAT » Mon May 30, 2022 6:03 am

jalengreen wrote:early vegas odds have it at 59/41 in favor of the warriors.

i think that lines up with what i'd expect ... the warriors should be favorites but i definitely think the celtics have a very realistic shot at it. it'll come down to how effective their offense can be in the half court


The lines are reflecting bettor's plays/behavior, so not actual odds. Despite b2b game 7s, Celtics match up very well with the Warriors, they should be winning in 6.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5931 » by 70sFan » Mon May 30, 2022 6:46 am

I was so mad when Butler missed that three. He deserved to win the series, he was unbelievable. The best player in the playoffs.

Now I'll have to watch two of my least favorite teams in the league fighting in the finals. I predict Warriors in 5-6 games, Celtics offense isn't good enough to compete.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5932 » by GSP » Mon May 30, 2022 7:33 am

Dipo was +16 in 33 minutes of a game 7........in a 4pt loss........only him and Strus were positives

Pj got benched entire 2nd half

Dipo suddenly turning into Indiana Dipo on defense made this series way tougher than i thought itd be. We could barely dribble the ball in his vicinity. Absolutely up there with any perimeter defender when healthy IMO

man.........i would LOVE if we could somehow get him next season but thats wishful thinking........

but imagine a defense.........Smart, Dipo, Jaylen, Tatum, Horford, Grant, Timelord, White.........thatd be an alltiime defense IMO
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5933 » by The-Power » Mon May 30, 2022 8:03 am

On Butler's shot: To me, that looked like a very low chance to win the game. If we look at the math (estimates), I'm not sure how it's defensible in hindsight.

What odds do we give this shot of going in? 35% perhaps? The offensive rebounding percentage of this shot was incredibly low, certainly much lower than usual with only Oladipo and with incredible luck Lowry even in a position to grab it. Even if Butler had made it, the Celtics would have had 16 seconds to score any basket for the win. What are the odds of that, 40% or perhaps even a bit higher? If the Heat foul, the game is most likely going at least to overtime unless they had enough time for another decent shot themselves.

If Butler had attacked Horford, the chance to at least tie the game would have been considerably higher in my opinion and there still was a chance to even get an and-1 out of it (not the most likely scenario but still). Importantly, it would have increased chances for an offensive rebound as more players could have positioned themselves and it would have taken some time away from the Celtics to respond, creating a smaller margin for error on their last possession. But let's say you're not confident in your ability to win in a possible overtime and you don't want to go for the tie.

Still, a 3 closer to end of the shot clock – perhaps after your last time-out – was still a better scenario. Even if the look would have been worse, I think the Heat could still have created a ~30% look from behind the line. Difference is that you could have drawn it up in a way that allowed for a better chance at an offensive rebound, AND you would have left the Celtics with no or much more limited time on the clock to respond. That more than makes up for the cleaner look from Butler (which was not great either because he's not an elite shooter) even once we factor in the risk of a turnover.

What am I missing? Note that I realize that players aren't calculators and have to make split-second decisions. So I'm not saying Butler threw this game away even though I was somewhat perplexed by his shot selection and believe some criticism is warranted for that one. But looking back at the shot, I'm not sure how anyone can say that this was the best option for the Heat to win the game. I'm happy, however, to be proven wrong with some actual estimates about win probability under this scenario and the alternative ones the Heat could have opted for; I just don't see it myself.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5934 » by 70sFan » Mon May 30, 2022 8:25 am

Yeah, I also think it was a bad decision from Butler. He could attack Horford, he could slow it down. Three point shot like that just wasn't a good option for him.

Can't blame him too much because of how he played. It seems that he was just tired in the second half.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5935 » by Gooner » Mon May 30, 2022 11:52 am

This is the final I wanted, Golden State-Boston. Good matchup, Boston can make it tough, but my prediction is Warriors in 5. I think they will take 2 home games and then 1 in Boston. Warriors are different class offensively compared to all those teams in the east which were eliminated by Boston.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5936 » by Colbinii » Mon May 30, 2022 1:59 pm

jalengreen wrote:early vegas odds have it at 59/41 in favor of the warriors.

i think that lines up with what i'd expect ... the warriors should be favorites but i definitely think the celtics have a very realistic shot at it. it'll come down to how effective their offense can be in the half court


Glad I finally predicted something correctly [I said 60/40 Warriors a day or two ago in this thread].

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5937 » by 70sFan » Mon May 30, 2022 2:18 pm

Am I the only one who sees a clear step down in the quality of discussion on PC Board during 2022 so far? I think we miss a few quality names that consistently upped the average level of discussion here...
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5938 » by Statlanta » Mon May 30, 2022 2:40 pm

70sFan wrote:Am I the only one who sees a clear step down in the quality of discussion on PC Board during 2022 so far? I think we miss a few quality names that consistently upped the average level of discussion here...

I think this is the second post that has mentioned it

Here are the names that participated in the PC Board All-Time Draft when I played

Quotatious
MisterHibachi
Timmaytime
eminence
lilroddyb
Narigo
LA Bird
wojoaderge
AustinCarr61
E-Balla
OrlandoTill
Dr Spaceman
Doctor MJ
Square
theonlyclutch
Clyde Frazier

Judges:

SideshowBob
RSCD3_
ronnymac2
Texas Chuck
AceofSpades69
mischievous
70sFan
penbeast0
Owly
PaulieWal
lorak
tsherkin
trex_8063

Tsherkin’s back but there’s also some names gone or infrequent like ElGee50 and Bad Gatorade
The Greatest of All Time debate in basketball is essentially who has the greatest basketball resume of the player who has the best highlights instead of who is the best player
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5939 » by falcolombardi » Mon May 30, 2022 2:52 pm

i think part of it may be that discussion became less formal

when i started to visit this board a ton of posts were formally written and discussion had a formal vibe of sorts which probably made everyone put mote effort in theit comments?

dunno, but that is what i noticed changing from when i startrd visitiing this board 2 years ago to now
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5940 » by 70sFan » Mon May 30, 2022 3:50 pm

Statlanta wrote:
70sFan wrote:Am I the only one who sees a clear step down in the quality of discussion on PC Board during 2022 so far? I think we miss a few quality names that consistently upped the average level of discussion here...

I think this is the second post that has mentioned it

Here are the names that participated in the PC Board All-Time Draft when I played

Quotatious
MisterHibachi
Timmaytime
eminence
lilroddyb
Narigo
LA Bird
wojoaderge
AustinCarr61
E-Balla
OrlandoTill
Dr Spaceman
Doctor MJ
Square
theonlyclutch
Clyde Frazier

Judges:

SideshowBob
RSCD3_
ronnymac2
Texas Chuck
AceofSpades69
mischievous
70sFan
penbeast0
Owly
PaulieWal
lorak
tsherkin
trex_8063

Tsherkin’s back but there’s also some names gone or infrequent like ElGee50 and Bad Gatorade

I'm not even talking about the golden age of PC Board, these days are long gone at this point. Even last two years were more entertaining than this one so far.

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