2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[PaulieWal]

Am I the only one who sees a clear step down in the quality of discussion on PC Board during 2022 so far? I think we miss a few quality names that consistently upped the average level of discussion here...

I think this is the second post that has mentioned it

Here are the names that participated in the PC Board All-Time Draft when I played

Quotatious
MisterHibachi
Timmaytime
eminence
lilroddyb
Narigo
LA Bird
wojoaderge
AustinCarr61
E-Balla
OrlandoTill
Dr Spaceman
Doctor MJ
Square
theonlyclutch
Clyde Frazier

Judges:

SideshowBob
RSCD3_
ronnymac2
Texas Chuck
AceofSpades69
mischievous
70sFan
penbeast0
Owly
PaulieWal
lorak
tsherkin
trex_8063

Tsherkin’s back but there’s also some names gone or infrequent like ElGee50 and Bad Gatorade

I'm not even talking about the golden age of PC Board, these days are long gone at this point. Even last two years were more entertaining than this one so far.

Might just be covid hangover too. I still visit pretty regularly but I have also gone through posting lulls for weeks on end.

Also, for some of these posters life just happens and once you go, you go (career, kids, relationships etc.)

We need more new blood

[70sFan]

I think this is the second post that has mentioned it

Here are the names that participated in the PC Board All-Time Draft when I played

Quotatious
MisterHibachi
Timmaytime
eminence
lilroddyb
Narigo
LA Bird
wojoaderge
AustinCarr61
E-Balla
OrlandoTill
Dr Spaceman
Doctor MJ
Square
theonlyclutch
Clyde Frazier

Judges:

SideshowBob
RSCD3_
ronnymac2
Texas Chuck
AceofSpades69
mischievous
70sFan
penbeast0
Owly
PaulieWal
lorak
tsherkin
trex_8063

Tsherkin’s back but there’s also some names gone or infrequent like ElGee50 and Bad Gatorade

I'm not even talking about the golden age of PC Board, these days are long gone at this point. Even last two years were more entertaining than this one so far.

Might just be covid hangover too. I still visit pretty regularly but I have also gone through posting lulls for weeks on end.

Also, for some of these posters life just happens and once you go, you go (career, kids, relationships etc.)

We need more new blood

This reminded me that I'm getting old too. I started here as a teenager learning the basics of NBA history and now I'll soon be married and I've been thinking about kids in recent future...

Yeah, we definitely need new blood. The bad thing is that I don't think we have a lot of new posters that brings something fresh.

[Texas Chuck]

RealGM like everywhere else, has incentivized hot takes over quality content. The Player Comparisons board for a while was a bit of an oasis from that, but the hot take artists want to perform for the smartest audience so they are here now too.

Doesn't mean quality discussion can't be had. There are still plenty of really smart posters here I love reading, even if I disagree with their approach in some areas or with some of their conclusions. Just those people interested in a higher level of discussion have to have the discipline to not engage with those here to post hot takes or who have a certain transparent agenda in place. If no one engages they have no reason to stick around and they will find a receptive audience elsewhere.

[70sFan]

RealGM like everywhere else, has incentivized hot takes over quality content. The Player Comparisons board for a while was a bit of an oasis from that, but the hot take artists want to perform for the smartest audience so they are here now too.

Doesn't mean quality discussion can't be had. There are still plenty of really smart posters here I love reading, even if I disagree with their approach in some areas or with some of their conclusions. Just those people interested in a higher level of discussion have to have the discipline to not engage with those here to post hot takes or who have a certain transparent agenda in place. If no one engages they have no reason to stick around and they will find a receptive audience elsewhere.

Yeah, you might be right. I am guilty of that as well.

I also don't have as much time as I used to have, so I wouldn't be surprised if some people view a regress in quality of my posts as well.

[Jaivl]

Yeah, discussion levels have dropped - and I'm a culprit myself - partly because I surf RealGM mostly at work, and I don't really have the time/energy/desire to type long posts in english like I did in prior years.

But more importantly, because... it may sound pedantic, but some posters are just never gonna change and argue in good faith, so we may as well have some fun with it. I'm not going to pour much effort there.

As long as we're back on track when it's time to get serious (insightful threads, projects) honestly it's OK for me (maybe others hold a different view).

[PaulieWal]

RealGM like everywhere else, has incentivized hot takes over quality content. The Player Comparisons board for a while was a bit of an oasis from that, but the hot take artists want to perform for the smartest audience so they are here now too.

Doesn't mean quality discussion can't be had. There are still plenty of really smart posters here I love reading, even if I disagree with their approach in some areas or with some of their conclusions. Just those people interested in a higher level of discussion have to have the discipline to not engage with those here to post hot takes or who have a certain transparent agenda in place. If no one engages they have no reason to stick around and they will find a receptive audience elsewhere.

What often happens is those people get banned from GB and end up here. Then a lot of the posters here take the bait and either attack them (which is a no-no) or respond in kind. Other than that, I don't think it's RGM by itself, the discourse around everything I feel like has gotten worse over the last 2-3 years and Covid just made it worse.

[TheGOATRises007]

Interestingly enough, the Nets have actually fared the best offensively against the Celtics' defense thus far in the playoffs.

Their ORTG was 117.1 for the series. Their RS ORTG was 113.6 - and that's with KD struggling offensively for the series.

I wonder if Kerr will look at the tape of that series and see how the Nets had success vs the Celtics' defense.

It's funny because the narrative for that series from the media was how the Celtics shut down the Nets' offense, but the Celtics lit up the Nets' defense far more-so than they suffocated Brooklyn's offense.

[falcolombardi]

Interestingly enough, the Nets have actually fared the best offensively against the Celtics' defense thus far in the playoffs.

Their ORTG was 117.1 for the series. Their RS ORTG was 113.6 - and that's with KD struggling offensively for the series.

I wonder if Kerr will look at the tape of that series and see how the Nets had success vs the Celtics' defense.

It's funny because the narrative for that series from the media was how the Celtics shut down the Nets' offense, but the Celtics lit up the Nets' defense far more-so than they suffocated Brooklyn's offense.

is a relatively common trend because we naturally focus on a team star when wanting to know why a team won or lost

durant and kyrie struggling to score = nets struggling to score is our inmediate reaction

it happened in nets vs bucks last year too, bucks locked down the nets offense and let durant go 1 on 1

bucks defense destroyed nets (injured) offense way harder than boston, but they failed to lock down durant scoring so it went unnoticed

[jalengreen]

Interestingly enough, the Nets have actually fared the best offensively against the Celtics' defense thus far in the playoffs.

Their ORTG was 117.1 for the series. Their RS ORTG was 113.6 - and that's with KD struggling offensively for the series.

I wonder if Kerr will look at the tape of that series and see how the Nets had success vs the Celtics' defense.

It's funny because the narrative for that series from the media was how the Celtics shut down the Nets' offense, but the Celtics lit up the Nets' defense far more-so than they suffocated Brooklyn's offense.

the role players were incredibly efficient in that series. seth, bruce, and patty combined to shoot 25/50 from 3.

but to me it had less to do with what the nets offense did and more to do with what the celtics defense did. they seemed to throw everything at KD knowing that they'd be opening up opportunities for the rest of the cast in the process

[LukaTheGOAT]

I guess we just gotta hope some new posters enter their prime soon on RealGM to make for a better product moving forward.

[Dutchball97]

To be fair isn't it always like this during the play-offs? People aren't as interested in comparing Dominique Wilkins with Hal Greer when the most important basketball of the year is being played. I bet the quality of the board will go back to normal once the finals are over and the POY award discussion is in full swing.

[tsherkin]

Just those people interested in a higher level of discussion have to have the discipline to not engage with those here to post hot takes or who have a certain transparent agenda in place. If no one engages they have no reason to stick around and they will find a receptive audience elsewhere.

This is an important message, and it is much harder than it seems at times, heh. There are some posters who are just so frustrating, and it's always challenging to let that be, particularly when quoted directly. But ignoring that is definitely a path to fostering better conversation, no doubt.

[Homer38]

RealGM like everywhere else, has incentivized hot takes over quality content. The Player Comparisons board for a while was a bit of an oasis from that, but the hot take artists want to perform for the smartest audience so they are here now too.

Doesn't mean quality discussion can't be had. There are still plenty of really smart posters here I love reading, even if I disagree with their approach in some areas or with some of their conclusions. Just those people interested in a higher level of discussion have to have the discipline to not engage with those here to post hot takes or who have a certain transparent agenda in place. If no one engages they have no reason to stick around and they will find a receptive audience elsewhere.

What often happens is those people get banned from GB and end up here. Then a lot of the posters here take the bait and either attack them (which is a no-no) or respond in kind. Other than that, I don't think it's RGM by itself, the discourse around everything I feel like has gotten worse over the last 2-3 years and Covid just made it worse.

I don’t understand those who are banned for good in the GB are allowed to be here and derailled so many thread and also just provoking with their hot takes

This is impossible to have good conversation with those people too

[penbeast0]

I just want to point out that while we have lost great posters, we have also gained some or some that have the potential for greatness. I feel like we have less trolls than ever but then I rarely go into threads about Kobe, LeBron, or Jordan because I don't feel I have much to add and those seem to be the players that have the most complaints about trolls and hot take artists.

It's always tempting to remember things through a rose colored lens; on the walls of a pyramid there was a carved message (graffiti) about how the new generation doesn't have a work ethic or respect for tradition. Having tsherkin back is great! Owly is still the single poster that has made me change more opinions than any other, and 70sFan is a truly legendary and active voice. I do miss JordansBulls and hope whatever he is doing, he has HCA.

[falcolombardi]

I just want to point out that while we have lost great posters, we have also gained some or some that have the potential for greatness. I feel like we have less trolls than ever but then I rarely go into threads about Kobe, LeBron, or Jordan because I don't feel I have much to add and those seem to be the players that have the most complaints about trolls and hot take artists.

It's always tempting to remember things through a rose colored lens; on the walls of a pyramid there was a carved message (graffiti) about how the new generation doesn't have a work ethic or respect for tradition. Having tsherkin back is great! Owly is still the single poster that has made me change more opinions than any other, and 70sFan is a truly legendary and pretty new voice.

off topic but i love how this resembles a basketball discussion comparing older to modern players

[Goudelock]

Am I the only one who sees a clear step down in the quality of discussion on PC Board during 2022 so far? I think we miss a few quality names that consistently upped the average level of discussion here...

As someone who has perused the board far less frequently the last few years but still tries to keep his hand on the pulse of the board, I see what you're saying. There was always a deluge of Kobe/Bron/MJ threads even back when I joined in 2015, but the well-written and intellectual posts are far less in number now.

Like others have said, and like you said, many of the good posters have moved on. Heck, I like to think of myself as a solid poster too, and I don't have the time (or desire) to write out long essays like I used to.

[parsnips33]

Wow I am so excited for the Finals, don't know what do with myself til Thursday.

Happy for Boston making it this far (even if I was rooting for Miami). Always a good story when a team struggles with the same core for years, makes some changes around the edges, and eventually breaks through

[Dr Positivity]

Said this before but the internet to me is in a (imo stupid and toxic) place at the moment where thinking is out of fashion and being emotionally unregulated online is in fashion, and you don't come here to do the latter. While PC board will always have higher quality posts than most of it and there will always be old souls and exceptions, the more the overall bar is lowered the more PC board's will go down slightly as well.

[jalengreen]

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i imagine they throw him on jaylen brown? wiggins on tatum, GP2 on brown could give the celtics stars some trouble.

[itsxtray]

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i imagine they throw him on jaylen brown? wiggins on tatum, GP2 on brown could give the celtics stars some trouble.

Yep, Gp2 likes to get up into ballhandlers with extreme pressure, Jaylen's sometimes shaky handle will be tested this series.