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Post#61 » by kaima » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:21 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:5. Worthy. A homer pick here. But as stated, when your best game out of 1,069 comes with a championship on the line, you deserve a little smidge of love.


My only problem with this, is what it opens up. Which might be a big problem.

What I mean is, are we going with Worthy because of the performance alone, or because it combined with a championship win?

Because, though I wouldn't make it, a very similar argument could be made for Isiah's game 6. Isiah was, though I'd argue that it's vague, more of the man than Worthy; just by the very standard of who Worthy played with and who Isiah played with. Isiah was a part of the whole, from my perspective, a very key part, while Worthy was part of Magic's band.

I think that's a key difference. It's similar to the Scottie Pippen argument.

I also believe that Magic's value isn't just his stats, but those around him. While something like TS% doesn't generally prove a whole lot to me, the context in which Worthy's percentage drops is important: with Magic's retirement. His TS is over 50 every season before Magic retires, and under every season after.

Magic could be argued number 1 for any year he played a decent amount of games in. That's largely because of his presence-as-facilitation ability, which shines directly on a player like Worthy.

I wouldn't make the same argument for Kareem, but I think Worthy is in a vague place himself as far as the Lakers' hierarchy.

Even Byron Scott may have an argument over James. Though, he did live up to his moniker here, no doubt, I don't know if that's enough against the field.

Let's say Robert Horry's game 5 in 05 won the title, or his game 4 against Sac in 02. These are moments rather than full games, yes, but the Worthy argument is a game-as-full-season definition in this case -- I'd say the strata from extrapolation makes the cases quite similar. Does Horry warrant a POY vote?

Be interested to hear more thoughts on Worthy, and what people believe his worth was without Magic and the loaded Lakers.
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Post#62 » by kaima » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:37 am

The Jazz pushed the champion Lakers to 7 - Malone wasn't quite in his prime however. Lower efficiency, volume scoring, and rebounding than he'd start to get a few years later, and finished 8th in MVP voting. Drexler shot too poorly in the playoffs, I'm leaving him out.


It seems, and this is a casual observation, that whenever Malone is low (by his standard) in MVP voting, this is a key mark against him. Yet if Hakeem finishes low(er), no one seems to care or notice.

And parallel to, when Malone often finishes high -- as he did in 89 (third behind Magic and Michael, only unanimous All-NBA selection) -- hardly anyone seems to care. In fact, in 89, more than one person argued that Malone wasn't even as valuable as guys who finished with no votes.

In fact, Olajuwon, an established brand from the 86 Finals, finished at 7 this year. Yet Malone, who really burst on the scene for the first time nationally, is seen in a poor light at 8. Huh.

The 89 results had (h)Akeem and Barkley comfortably ahead of Malone even though both finished behind in MVP votes (not my standard, but for those using it...) at 5th and 6th respectively, while all three had similar playoff runs...to nowhere.

Note: this wasn't meant as a reply purely to Doc Mufasa. His point just keyed on a larger one for me, and so I quoted it.
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Post#63 » by Optimism Prime » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:00 am

kaima wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:5. Worthy. A homer pick here. But as stated, when your best game out of 1,069 comes with a championship on the line, you deserve a little smidge of love.


My only problem with this, is what it opens up. Which might be a big problem.



I have a problem with it too. Namely, this:

Sedale Threatt wrote:4. Dream. Either him or Malone, and I go with Hakeem. Just a better all-around player at this point, in my opinion. Plus, it was only four games, but his playoffs were pretty sick.

5. Worthy. A homer pick here. But as stated, when your best game out of 1,069 comes with a championship on the line, you deserve a little smidge of love.


So... Sedale, your fourth place vote could be either Hakeem or Malone, but your ranking ends up Hakeem and Worthy? It's just contradictory with what you stated in the previous paragraph. By what you said in that post, your ballot should be:

4. Hakeem
5. Malone
HM: Worthy

I'm just confused as hell how Worthy overcame the Hakeem/Malone tie.
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Post#64 » by TMACFORMVP » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:44 am

James Worthy isn't even an honorable mention IMO. I'd give it to Mark Aguirre before I give it to Worthy. Aguirre was nearly 25/6/4 in the regular season on just over 47%. In the post-season his scoring dipped, but his efficiency went up both from the field and distance (22/6/3 on 50%). The Mavericks team was loaded though, Harper and Blackmon were terrific in the backcourt, and Perkins/Tarpley were productive upfront. Side Note: It's sad to see what happened to the rest of Tarpley's career, in this particular season, he played nearly the full year and averaged 13.5/12 off the bench. In the post-season he did 18/13 on 52% as well). But nonetheless, the Mavericks run to the WCF and challenging the Lakers to seven games was rather impressive.

Unfortunately, it's just too strong a year. I'd take Nique over him. 31/6/3 in both the regular and post-season. He had the epic duel with Bird, and as TrueLA noted his supporting cast was nothing to write home about.

But besides, I'm not sure either are in my top 5.

Barkley had an amazing regular season, 28/12/3 on 59%. But the Sixers only won 36 games, and failed to make the playoffs. That just won't get it done especially considering sub 40 win teams made the playoffs that season.

Drexler deserves a shout out for his regular season, but he shot very poorly in the playoffs.

I think Karl Malone should get more love. He was good in the post-season (30/12 on 48%), and in the regular season he was 28/12 on 52%. He even made the All-NBA Defensive 2nd, while leading the Jazz to a seven game series with the eventual champs. It's really a marvel the consistency this guy had, I've been putting him in my Top 5 nearly every season since the 2000 season.

On the flip side, I'm not so sure Akeem is clearly ahead of him. Defensively, he's obviously better (not one of his most impressive shot-blocking seasons, but the Rockets were 2nd in OPP FG%). The Jazz were first, but more credit probably goes to Eaton than Malone for that statistic. In the post-season, against the Mavs, Akeem was brilliant: 38/17/2 on 57%, but that was in only four games. Granted his team was not the better team, and Akeem couldn't have done any better, Malone had an impressive post-season as mentioned previously. What sort of holds me back is the Jazz's regular season record. They won only 47 games compared to the Rockets who won 46. Considering the talent disparity between both teams, the Jazz should have certainly won more games.

I think the top three is rather obvious, Bird, Magic and Jordan. Now it's the order. Every time this has moreso favored a dominant player on the most dominant team. I think this is tougher than it is first glance.

It seems Jordan would be the best player, he was the MVP, and DPOY, and absolutely terrifying in the playoffs. But he experienced the least amount of team success among the three. Bird's regular season is being underrated, 30/9/6 on 52/41/90 is absolutely ridiculous. I actually would rank him greater than Magic in the regular season as well. For Bird or Jordan, I'm not sure. Jordan was better defensively, while Bird was the more efficient offensive player. The amount of regular season wins would favor Bird, but both teams won 50 or above, and Bird's supporting cast was vastly better than Jordan's was.

In the regular season, I'd rank em like Jordan, Bird and Magic.

Then in the post-season, Jordan faced the least amount of success, Bird fared poorly shooting the ball against the Pistons, while Magic was rather dominant throughout en route to an NBA Championship. Yeah, Worthy won Finals MVP, but Magic deserved it over the course of the entire series.

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Worthy: 22.0 / 7.0 / 4.4 on .490
Magic: 21.1 / 5.7 / 13.0 on .550


I think in the playoffs, I'd rank em like this Magic, Jordan, and Bird.

It's arguable that Jordan was the best in the playoffs, but overall leading a team to the championship opposed to the second round regardless of supporting cast is more impressive, especially when you're putting up 20/5/13 on the way shooting over 51% from the field (and 50% from distance, but only 14 attempts).

Overall, I think I'd probably go Magic, Jordan, and Bird as my top three. Honestly though, I wouldn't have any problems with any order of these three. I'm still wavering with Jordan.

To round out the rest, it'd either be Hakeem or Karl. I'm leaning Karl at the moment, but could be convinced otherwise. Hakeem had more an impact defensively, but Karl was more successful in the playoffs, and had the slightly better regular season IMO. It's only slightly because I think the Jazz should have won more than just one more game than the Rockets did that season. In fact, looking at that again, it could be argued that Hakeem was slightly better.

AS OF NOW. I'll go with:

1. Magic Johnson
2. Michael Jordan
3. Larry Bird
4. Karl Malone
5. Hakeem Olajuwon

Could conceivably change this up by Monday morning.
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Post#65 » by Gongxi » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:17 am

Come on, Sedale: you really think Worthy was the 5th best player that year? I don't think you think that.

Anyway, here's mine:

1- Michael Jordan. A strong case can be made for this being Jordan's finest season. Sure, many people will point to Jordan being on a championship winning team later and use that as evidence of him being at his best, but I'm sure you all know how I feel about that line of reasoning. Played all 92 games the Bulls played. 35 ppg on 60% TS. I'm going to tell you right now that that's absurd. That's an absolute joke and approaching video game numbers. His 6 rebounds and 6 assists look pathetic compared to what he'd get in 88-89, but taking a step back and not comparing him to himself- that's still amazing for anyone, let alone someone averaged 35 ppg on big man efficiency.

And oh, he just got better in the playoffs: 60% TS, 36ppg, 7 boards, 5 assists. Another oh by the way: only the second guard to ever and 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season. The other guy? Him, the year before. I'm sick of voting for the guy but...this is silly. Look at what he did that season, it's just a total joke.

2- Larry Bird. 30/9/6 on 61% TS should be #1 most years we've done this. He dropped a decent amount in the playoffs: 25/9/7 on 54%, and it was over a rather sizable sample size. I might be able to be convinced to drop him below Magic based upon that, I'm not sure.

3- Magic Johnson. The missing 10 games bears mention. Only three games more than Bird and no, it's not a huge amount at all, especially considering how well he played throughout the season, but in a close competition, it makes a difference. If I have to make a team and I'm guaranteed 72 regular season games out of Magic and 75 out of Bird, they're so close that those three games might make the difference. In the playoffs, Magic's production nearly matched his regular season production (a good thing), but his TS actually got better. I'm really on the fence with these two.

4- Charles Barkley. 67% TS 26 ppg. His 11 rpg are basically an afterthought. 67% TS on that type of volume is almost enough for me to consider him in the Bird/Magic tier this year. Almost.

5- Hakeem Olajuwon. I really wanted to vote Drexler in here, just because he hasn't made an appearance on any of my lists yet. And it was close. But Olajuwon's difference pretty much made them equals (at best, for Drexler's sake) in the regular season. And then the playoffs...oh the playoffs. Drexler: 22/7/5 (alright, respectable) on 46% TS (oh god that's horrible!) Olajuwon: 38/17/2, 64% TS (....wow). It's only 4 games for both of them, weighed double, but if Drexler had any advantage in the regular season, it wasn't enough to compensate for that.
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Post#66 » by lorak » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:08 am

I don’t like this year, extremely difficult to vote.

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Hakeem
5. Stockton - I think that year he was definitely the best Jazz player in both RS and PS + in PS he tied Magic’s assists record and he did it against Magic himself.
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Post#67 » by ronnymac2 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:28 am

I'll vote tomorrow. The people in contention are: Hakeem, Malone, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley, Nique, Thomas, and Drexler. Seems like Moses had an off year. Patrick Ewing was still a young player, but he had a hell of a season for a young player. He's not really in contention though.

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Post#68 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:03 pm

Gongxi wrote:Come on, Sedale: you really think Worthy was the 5th best player that year? I don't think you think that.


And I know you don't really think Bird was better than Magic, especially when one flamed out in the playoffs and the other had no dips in his game while willing his team to another championship. That pick makes at least as little sense to me as Worthy at five -- five, I'll stress -- does to some of you.

I'm not going to go into a massive amount of detail as I thought I already explained my choice -- the best game of his 1,000-plus game career in a Game 7, against a great opponent, to directly influence that year's championship. Anything less, and L.A. doesn't repeat, and the course of NBA history is changed.

Would I make that choice if I wasn't a Lakers fan? Probably not. But I've generally been very, very good in this project about not making homerlicious choices, so I don't feel all that bad about making one here. Especially in light of the historical quality and impact of the performance.

Yeah, it's just one game. But that one game was simply that good that I think it deserves recognition. With a fifth-place vote. Worth, what, two points?
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Post#69 » by kaima » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:15 pm

I just don't see how a single game is worth a top five ranking.

It gets back to the Horry standard. Is the fact that Horry's shots have changed the course of playoff history worth a top five selection for a bench guy in any season? Many seasons? RPOY could suddenly stand for Role Player Of the Year.

Certainly, James was better than that. But better than Dominique? Clyde? Malone? Barkley? Stockton?

Also, wasn't Isiah's season better, and wasn't his game 6 at least as good as Worthy's game 7?

To continually call your own pick a homer vote, that's somehow earned by not voting that way constantly or in the past, is questionable and curious. If you go forward with this, it will open up this debate and voting, period, to blatant homerism...as an argument.

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Post#70 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:19 pm

Dr MJ can be the judge. If he doesn't like the reasoning, he can go ahead and strike it, and I'll just abstain from this season's vote. Otherwise, it stands.
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Post#71 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:20 pm

Could anyone who was around at the time provide some analysis of went wrong with the 76ers this year?
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Post#72 » by TrueLAfan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:12 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:Could anyone who was around at the time provide some analysis of went wrong with the 76ers this year?


That would be me. A bunch of things messed up the Sixers this year. The first one, clearly, was bad defensive matchups. The “ideal” Sixers starting lineup was Mo Cheeks, Albert King, Cliff Robinson, Barkley, and Mike Gminski. Mo Cheeks was an excellent defender. After that—seriously--the best positional defender may have been Barkley. Cliff Robinson was better on D...if he played at PF. He was a tweener, and a good player. But he'd already had some injury issues, and was really unable to keep up at SF. Albert King was a disaster. He was an offensive player who lost all his offensive skills in a two year period. By 1988, he was probably the worst player in the league to start 40 games.

Almost as big of an issue were injuries and lineup continuity. The Sixers tried a midseason revamp; they picked up Mike Gminski and Ben Coleman for Roy Hinson and Tim McCormick. It was a fairly lateral move—Gminski was probably the best player in the group—but it wasn't a major upgrade. For reasons unknown, the Sixers thought Bob Thornton was a player and traded for him, Almost all of the the players the Sixers did keep around missed at least 12 games. The Sixers had 11 players start at least 10 games. That's a lot. They never had any continuity in the lineup.

And, finally, the Sixers were seriously hampered by miserable shooting, especially from the perimeter. Mo Cheeks was always a good shooter. Barkley, of course, shot close to 59%. Other than those two—and Mo Cheeks was not much of a scorer—the Sixers shot under 44%. For 1988, that's horrible.

So, yeah, the team had problems. But here's my issue with this team—and Barkley. Part of the issue was Barkley, directly and indirectly. The third best player on the team was Cliff Robinson, and he was a underrated player. But he was a tweener that had injury issues. If he had been able to play at PF, this would have been fine. He was the worst conceivable compliment to Barkley. Then there's the “doing too much” thing. The Sixers were a poor three point shooting team...but why did Charles Barkley almost lead them in threes? This is not a good three point shooter drawing people out for interior scoring; this is their best shooter who scored mostly on the inside who decided to take a bunch of threes (he was in the top 20 in 3PA). This is case where Barkley's numbers don't really reflect how poorly his skills (and their application) combined with his team's skills and makeup.
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Post#73 » by semi-sentient » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:32 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:And I know you don't really think Bird was better than Magic, especially when one flamed out in the playoffs and the other had no dips in his game while willing his team to another championship. That pick makes at least as little sense to me as Worthy at five -- five, I'll stress -- does to some of you.


Indeed. That is the case with Bird in the next few seasons as well. Magic and Bird have great RS, but Bird's numbers fall off considerably in the PS whereas Magic's improve.

Here's their numbers for comparison:

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           GP   PTS    TS%    REB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV    PER
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Larry RS:  76   29.9   .608    9.3    6.1   1.6    0.8    2.8    27.8
Magic RS:  72   19.6   .581    6.2   11.9   1.6    0.2    3.7    23.1

Larry PS:  17   24.5   .538    8.8    6.8   2.1    0.7    2.9    20.2
Magic PS:  24   19.9   .600    5.4   12.6   1.4    0.2    3.5    22.9
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Post#74 » by kaima » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:33 pm

Rounded up some articles. Again. Went for earlier rounds of the playoffs, and more obscure facts. Again. Mostly looked for headlines. Again. Blah blah blah, pain in the ass. Again.

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Rockets

It took time, but Malone's prediction proves accurate

DALLAS - When the Rockets traded for Sleepy Floyd last December, Utah's massive power forward, Karl Malone, was upset. And it wasn't just because he lost his favorite punching bag, Ralph Sampson, who would not longer be a power forward.

"The last thing I need," Malone said, "is a two-man game with Sleepy Floyd and Akeem Olajuwon."

The thought was terrifying: Floyd, who is arguably the game's greatest coast-to-coast driver, leading the break downcourt with Olajuwon, the game's fastest center, trailing behind.

But throughout the regular season, that scene rarely unfolded.

The word was that Bill Fitch's offense was too restricted to allow Floyd to play his driving game.

Not that Fitch had an easy job. His No. 1 assignment is to make Akeem the Team happy. The other players, including Floyd, would have to be subordinate.

But fitting Floyd into that picture would not necessarily be easy. After trading Floyd to Houston, the coaching staff for the Golden State Warriors spread the word through the very busy NBA grapevine that Floyd was "incoachable," that he was determined to play his game and not somebody else's.

So it seemed no surprise when ill will appeared to develop between Olajuwon and Floyd. Last month, Olajuwon publicly criticized his new teammate's playmaking ability. And a big issue was made over Olajuwon briefly chiding Floyd for not passing him the ball in an incident during Thursday's playoff game.

Floyd, for his part, has held his tongue, doing all he could to avoid any controversies with Olajuwon or Fitch.

It appeared that what Olajuwon wanted was a point guard in the style of Dennis Johnson, John Stockton or Terry Porter, one who would shoot the ball only when the pass wasn't available.

Floyd, however, is more in the mold of Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas. He wants to force the issue himself.

He has the brains and physical skills of a point guard, but Floyd is a shooting guard at heart. In fact, he began his NBA career as a shooting guard.

It was beginning to look like there could be no accommodation of Floyd and Olajuwon, and there were even rumblings around The Summit that Floyd would have to be traded in the off-season to a more wide-open offensive team.

What Saturday's victory over the Dallas Mavericks showed, for the first time this year, was that Olajuwon and Floyd definitely can play together with each making full use of his talents.

Floyd's scoring 42 points didn't prevent Olajuwon from scoring his 41.

In fact, Floyd's penetrations brought Olajuwon some of his points, as Karl Malone was fearing would happen.

In the first quarter, Floyd drove to the hoop but passed back to Olajuwon trailing, and the Rocket center dunked.

Soon after, Floyd drove the baseline and missed his layup, but Olajuwon, following right behind, scooped the rebound and dunked, for a 20-15 Houston lead.

So it went, two of basketball's top stars in perfect concert 48 minutes.

There is, after all, room in Fitch's system for Floyd. And room on the same team for Floyd and Olajuwon.

Nowhere is the difference between the Mavericks and Rockets greater than in the team's owners.

Charlie Thomas is very much a behind-the-scenes guy with the Rockets, although don't think he isn't in regular contact with Ray Patterson and letting his thoughts be known.

But Thomas sits several rows back at games, rarely makes public statements and never makes threats.

Now look at Don Carter of the Mavericks. He's on the front row, midcourt, wearing his Stetson. He is a constant visible presence.

Go to the team's training facility, and there is a caricature of Carter standing with his players very much in the background, their heads not even in view, as Carter spins a basketball on his big finger.

The message is always apparent who is running this team.

But how wise is it for Carter to be always in the foreground? Considering that the Mavericks' biggest problem is their reputation for folding under pressure, does it really make sense for Carter to add to the pressure by promising "major changes" if they blow the first round of the playoffs again?

It seems more sensible to take the Charlie Thomas wait-and-see approach. Let the general manager, coaches and players do their jobs, and then at the end of the season, if you're not satisfied, make the changes. You don't need a lot of hype and buildup for this sort of event.

Applying more pressure is not going to make anybody's job easier.

ELSEWHERE - Doug Moe points out the key to the Denver Nuggets' success in the regular season: their turnover ratio. The league's most surprising teams this year, Denver and New York, happen to be the leaders in forcing more turnovers than they allow. The Nuggets were plus 1.9 in that category, the Knicks plus 1.3.

"That's an unbelievable statistic, and nobody knows it," Moe said. "It's something people don't understand, and you never even hear it being mentioned around the league."

But each turnover means you've denied the other team a chance at a basket while creating an opportunity for your own team. Thus Denver gets about two extra baskets per game, which explains how the Nuggets outscored their opponents by 4.0 points per game this season. ...

Lester Conner is the seldom-seen twelfth man on the Rockets, but Robert Reid insists he's appreciated by his teammates.

"Lester reminds me of Craig Ehlo when we went to the championship (NBA Finals) in '86," Reid said. "Ehlo is very smart, and he was always pointing out things he noticed sitting on the bench. Now Check (Conner) is starting to do that, too. He's always egging everybody on, and when he sees something from the bench, he tells us."


Mavs faced with a same time, next year proposition

DALLAS - They didn't even bother to boo.

Thirty-four seconds left at Reunion Arena on Saturday afternoon, and almost as one they got up and filed to the exits. All of a sudden, 17,007 turned into a fourth of that, a quick and quiet procession that may have delivered the loudest message of all to the Dallas Mavericks.

No boos, no catcalls to speak of. It was almost as though their own fans had expected this.

They all had pointed to this one, from Coach John MacLeod down through the last player. Winning Game 1 was nice, but this the big one, the Heimlich game, the one that would really show how far this team had come from a year ago.

Gut Check Time in Choke City. And to the local cynics who had called this a test of "The Gutless Pig Theory," the Mavericks responded with a resounding "oink."

So after Houston 119, Dallas 108, it was back to square one.

Just as they had in Game 2 against Seattle a year ago, the Mavericks folded down the stretch. Once again, the home-court advantage was gone, the threat of another season closing out of town was very real, and the local prints would be filled with more amateur psychoanalysis.

They knew what was coming, and the Dallas locker room contained all the levity of your average wake ... with an interesting twist.

Disappointment? Yes. But surprise? Not really.

"Houston made the big plays, and we made the big mistakes," center James Donaldson said succinctly. "It didn't matter that we were playing at Reunion. It was close, and then it was over."

And now, the pressure builds. Donald Carter, the owner who has promised big changes in the event of a first-round loss, was touring the place with a 10-gallon hat and a painted-on smile, imploring everyone to "get 'em next time." General Manager Norm Sonju sat slumped in a chair, looking over the box score in seeming disbelief. Some of the players dressed quickly to escape the questions, but many stayed and faced the music.

Cross out Seattle, pencil in Houston, and the song remains the same. The trick now, they said, will be to change the next verse.

"Pressure, momentum, those are all just words," guard Rolando Blackman said. "Momentum can be gained, but it can be given up, too. We don't feel like we're going to cave in or give up. Those are all mental things. They're inside, and the game is decided out on the floor."

This one was, too, though. And what happened on the floor didn't speak well of whatever the Mavericks may have left inside.

They could find excuses, certainly:

Who expected Sleepy Floyd to score 42 points, 30 more than he had in Game 1?

Who expected Mark Aguirre and Rolando Blackman to stink it up again, combining for just 34 points on 12-of-31 shooting?

Who would have thought Roy Tarpley (23 points, 13 rebounds) would get fouls No. 5 and 6 in a span of 18 seconds, putting him out of the game with 1:49 to play and the Rockets up by just two at 105-103?

And who would have expected Akeem Olajuwon to rip down 26 rebounds against the NBA's top rebounding team?

No one, however, seemed interested in excuses. The point, they claimed, was that the Rockets - two of them, at least - had elevated their game, while Dallas had been inexplicably flat. This one was close, it was there for the taking, and it was the kind the good teams win at home.

And while the Mavericks talked bravely about Tuesday night at The Summit, it was a deflated team that left Reunion Saturday evening.

"We lost the game down the stretch," guard Derek Harper said. "Sure, there's concern. Now we have to go to Houston and win a game down there."

That's very possible, they insisted. After all, they won the last two regular-season meetings at The Summit, and they only need one of the next two to bring the series back for a fifth and deciding game on Saturday.

Still, this was a loss that cut to the heart of what this team had tried to accomplish on its way to this game. Dallas put together a 53-win season on balanced scoring, improved defense and domination of the boards. That was supposed to make the Mavericks choke-proof, providing any number of ways to survive in a close, pressure-filled game.

All of that went down the drain Saturday, in large part because Floyd took the play right at a surprisingly passive Dallas defense.

"There's a psychology here," Mavericks assistant coach Richie Adubato said. "A guard gets the ball. He thinks `drive.' Then he thinks about the consequences of the drive."

Adubato shook his head.

"Today," he said, "there were no consequences for him."

Other than points, that is.

"Sometimes there's nothing you can do," said Harper, the principal victim of Floyd's work. "You can get a hand in his face, but everything he put up today was going down. He was unconscious."

Even at that, Dallas was very much in the game until Tarpley departed. That, as it turned out, simply added to the sense of history repeating itself. A year ago, the Mavericks folded when Donaldson left Game 2 with a stress reaction in his right leg. This time, the air went out when Tarpley went to the bench, and the Rockets finished the game with a 14-5 run.

"We needed to have someone step up down the stretch," said Harper. "Unfortunately, nobody did."

So after dismissing last year as ancient history for most of the week, the the Mavericks are faced with some familiar questions again. "The Gutless Pig Theory" will be back in vogue as the series shifts to Houston. The tank beckons.

"It's going to be very tough for us now," Donaldson admitted. "Very tough."

That's something short of a concession speech, certainly, but a near empty arena at the final buzzer may have said it best.

The Reunion Rowdies had gone quietly.

So, for that matter, had their team.


NBA playoffs/Mavs hold on for win

The Dallas Mavericks were supposed to roll over like cowering dogs. Instead, they attacked like a pack of angry wolves Tuesday night in The Summit.

They dominated the Rockets in the fourth quarter and had such large statistical advantages it was hard to see how they won by merely a point 93-92.

This time it was the Rockets who wilted in crunch time. Choke, you could call it. They started the fourth quarter with an 0-for-10 shooting streak, and even Akeem Olajuwon let them down, as he missed a 14-foot shot that would have won the game in the final second.

Rockets Coach Bill Fitch said, "If we were forced to take that shot five times we would make it four."

Olajuwon agreed. "It was a good shot. I just didn't make it."

Which was pretty much the story of the night: Good shots, and the Rockets couldn't make them, as they fell behind 2-1 in their best of five playoff series.

"We gave ourselves a good opportunity in Dallas," said forward Rodney McCray. "We came back here and gave it away."

The Rockets shot 41 percent for the game, while their rivals from up the road shot 51 percent and also led the rebounding tables, 46-44.

"We were fortunate," Mavs Coach John MacLeod said, "because they moved the ball well and they had a lot of good open shots, but they missed them."

They missed 18 of 24 in the fourth quarter.

The Rockets did get another big-numbers performance from Olajuwon, who scored 35 points, gathered 12 rebounds, blocked 3 shots and had 3 steals.

And Joe Barry Carroll came alive with 16 points and 9 rebounds.

So the Rockets had a decent inside game. But they got practically nothing but bricks from the outside.

The Mavericks put a blanket over Sleepy Floyd, who turned out to be a one-game wonder. After his 42 points in Game 2, he managed just 10 points Tuesday, on 4-of-13 gunnery.

Before the game, MacLeod was beseeching somebody to step forward and accept a scoring role for his team, but once again, it didn't happen.

Rolando Blackman managed just 6 points in the second half and 15 for the evening.

All-Star Mark Aguirre did his usual second-half vanishing act (two points), and his services were requested for only 27 minutes of the game.

MacLeod contended that was no knock on Aguirre and that "Mark understands the situation."

Aguirre sat on the bench because "their awesome rebounding made us make some substitutions."

MacLeod obviously uses the term "awesome" very loosely, since the Rockets have been outrebounded every game of this series.

In fact, the Rockets might as well concede the boards to Roy Tarpley, who had a game-high 13 rebounds and for the third consecutive game was the Mavs' leading scorer, this time with 17 points.

Not bad for a sixth man.

But the Mavs' balanced offense was enough, as they put enough pressure on the Rockets to keep their offense off stride.

"They came in fired up, ready to play from the beginning," Olajuwon said. "That was the difference. They attacked us. They were really attacking in the fourth period."

They were also running, something the Mavs hadn't done on their home court.

As Carroll noted, "They were getting the ball off the boards and running down the floor quickly."

Fitch said his team was slow in defensive transition, but he also blamed the outside shooting for starting the Mavs' fast break.

MacLeod made a significant defensive adjustment to deal with Floyd. Derek Harper picked up the Rockets point guard after he crossed midcourt. Then Harper would force his opponent to the outside, preventing the down-the-middle-drives that had blown Dallas apart in Game 2.

The Mavs still couldn't stop Olajuwon, but they kept the rest of the Rockets under control as they swept to a 53-45 halftime lead.

In the first half, the Rockets had no perimeter game other than an occasional 18-foot turnaround by Olajuwon. Shooting guards Robert Reid and Purvis Short were a combined 1-for-9 to start the game.

The Rockets came out with a more determined inside effort to start the third quarter.

McCray, who missed 6 of his first 7 shots, went coast to coast for a driving layin as Houston tied at 59. That brought the crowd into the game.

When Carroll hooked in a rebound, the Rockets led 64-63, and Olajuwon followed with a fast-break slam to put the Rockets up by three. By now The Summit was in pandemonium.

The Mavericks continually sagged in on Olajuwon and gave the Rocket guards the outside shot, aware that they were having trouble hitting it.

Reid continued to miss open shots and became visibly frustrated, pounding the press table after he clanged a 16-footer that bounced over the backboard.

Floyd did sink a 3-pointer to put the Rockets ahead 75-71 with a minute left in the third period, and they carried a four-point lead into the final period.

But then they went into their half-court, motionless shell and produced 15 points for the quarter.

"We were double-teaming Akeem all the time," Tarpley said. "We were hoping to force someone else to shoot."

But no one else could hit. And finally, not even Olajuwon could.


At last, Mavs shake specter of `87 crash

They had been carrying this around for nearly 12 months now. They might say otherwise, might even believe it, but it was always there, a little burden of proof left over from the Crash of `87.

That's all the Dallas Mavericks had been hearing about since last spring. Seattle. The first-round flop after the 55-win season. How could it have happened? How could anyone be sure it was safe to come back to Reunion?

Twelve months of questions not about talent, but about dedication and heart. A nice subject to have to address every time a microphone is shoved in your face.

Now, ironically enough, those questions were moving down the hall to the other locker room Thursday night. And if the Mavericks seemed more relieved than elated about the whole thing, that was easy enough to understand: Carry something this heavy for this long, and it's reward enough just to be able to put it down.

"Vindication? I guess you could say it is," James Donaldson said after Dallas did unto the Rockets 107-97, ending the Texas Death Match with a no-nonsense 3-1 decision. "We heard a lot about last year. It was something people have been talking about a long time."

Now they will talk about something else, as in the second round, maybe even a Western Conference final against the Lakers. Anything but the Crash of `87 would be fine. In four often-comical games, the Mavericks hardly laid claim to "elite" NBA status, but at least they can say they slipped the collar this time around.

That's a start.

And as things turned out, this series could not have evolved more sweetly for the Mavericks. They had split the first two games at home, just as they had a year ago, and the way the fans fled Reunion Arena after Saturday's Houston win suggested that these were people who didn't expect to be back again this season.

"After splitting at home, and some of the things people said about us, yeah, this was nice," said guard Brad Davis. "It was especially nice to end it here."

On the road. Against recent history. In spite of a 14-point first quarter. In a game they didn't even have to win.

"We kept hearing about last year," said guard Rolando Blackman. "That was to be expected, I suppose. But it's nice to get this behind us now."

Fittingly, perhaps, it was the old guard that got the job done.

Mark Aguirre, largely missing in action the first three games with a 15-point scoring average (more than 10 below his season norm), dropped in 27 points in the pivotal third quarter and finished the game with 38.

Donaldson, whose first-round injury a year ago was the chief rallying point for Dallas apologists, had 10 points and 10 rebounds.

Davis (literally an old guard at age 32) added 14 points off the bench. Overall, in fact, Davis might have been the best guard in the series, averaging 10.5 points on .667 shooting.

Certainly, the manner in which he outclassed Sleepy Floyd in the fourth quarter was an unexpected crimp in the Rockets' plans. Twice in a 36-second stretch, he ran give-and-go plays with Aguirre, with Davis ending up with easy layups, drawing a foul and completing the 3-point play on the second to put Dallas ahead 92-84 with 6:19 to play.

Those two plays typified the difference. While Houston unraveled, waiting for Akeem Olajuwon to do it all by himself, the Mavericks improved as the game went on. Aguirre's outburst was the setup, but he scored just 5 more points in the fourth. Davis' 7, plus 5 each from Blackman and Sam Perkins offset a subpar night from series star Roy Tarpley (6 points, 8 rebounds in 20 minutes).

When it was done, Dallas owner Don Carter was soaking it all up in a happy Mavericks dressing room. It was Carter, of course, who had talked of major changes in the event of another first-round collapse, making it clear that jobs were on the line.

Crisis averted.

"This series was as important as any we've ever played, even past last year," he said. "Last year was devastating to us.

"To get this one did more for our character. It wasn't a basketball growth, it was inner growth."

Carter, though, was about the only one prone to overstatement. For the most part, the Mavericks seemed to take this one not so much with euphoria as with a sense of relief.

"It's sweet, real sweet," said guard Derek Harper.

And short-lived.

"Now," said Harper, "everyone will want to know about the next round."


Rockets vs. Mavericks/Game 4/Rockets report

Play of the game

Mark Aguirre capped a 27-point third quarter with his third 3-point basket, with 1:12 left. That shot, with Rodney McCray standing helplessly by, seemed to take out whatever air was left in the Rockets' sails. It put Dallas ahead 79-70.

"When a great player like Aguirre gets hot," McCray said, "there's not much you can do."

Hot and cold

Hot: Akeem Olajuwon, 16 of 24 FG, 8 of 8 FT, 15 rebounds, 40 points; Aguirre, 13 of 21 FG, 9 of 9 FT, 38 points.

Cold: Sleepy Floyd, 4 of 16; Robert Reid, 1 of 5; Derek Harper, 1 of 5; Sam Perkins, 5 of 15.

The bench

Throughout the series, this was a key area of Dallas domination. But this time the Rocket reserves held their own, outscoring the opponents 27-24.

For once, the Rockets did a reasonable job of stopping Roy Tarpley, who scored just 6 points and had 6 rebounds. Houston's Jim Petersen outplayed him, with 12 points and 6 rebounds before fouling out.

Dallas point guard Brad Davis played another superb game, hitting 5 of 9 shots and scoring 14 points. But Houston's Allen Leavell was also effective, hitting 2 of 4 from 3-point range and scoring 10 points in his 13 minutes.

Short on points

Purvis Short, slowed throughout the playoff series by a sprained left ankle, never could give the Rockets the outside shooting they so desperately needed.

Short scored just 4 points in 18 minutes Thursday night. For the series, he hit 7 of 26 shots, averaging 5.5 points per game - eight points under his season average.

"We just never played together as a team, never played up to our potential. We were so inconsistent during the year. And you just can't turn it on in the playoffs.


Rockets bow out without a fight

Say this for the Rockets, they went out in style. The sort of style that has characterized their season of turmoil and disappointment.

They couldn't shoot, they couldn't run, they couldn't think. They bowed out of the NBA playoffs Thursday night with 107-97 home-court loss to their I-45 rivals, the Dallas Mavericks.

In losing their opening - and closing - round 3-1 to the Mavs, the Rockets left angry fans distributing bumper stickers saying "Ditch Fitch" - a call for the firing of Bill Fitch, the team's coach for the past five years.

It is easy to blame Fitch for a team that all season long underperformed. But Akeem Olajuwon, who at one point was one of the most vocal of Fitch critics, insisted what the Rockets need is not a change of coaches but a change of players.

"I don't think you can blame it all on the coach," said Olajuwon, who himself was blameless with 16-of-24 shooting, 15 rebounds and 40 points.

"We need to make a lot of improvement on this team," Olajuwon said. "Management knows that the Houston Rockets should not be out of the first round of the playoffs. Bring in new players. Make changes. They have to make major moves to get warriors who will fight. Not just play. Fight.

"Management's been there for years," Olajuwon said. "They should know what to do."

Robert Reid, the 32-year-old guard who also has had his differences with Fitch, agreed with Olajuwon that the coach should stay. But Reid disagreed about the need for new players.

"Chemistry starts at the beginning of training camp," Reid said. "You can't bring in two players for one team and say, `Go out there and do it."'

Reid felt the team had no chance of coming together following the December trade of Ralph Sampson to Golden State for Sleepy Floyd and Joe Barry Carroll.

"Everybody expected miracles," Reid said. "Sleepy had a new type of offense to learn. You take the 12 players in this locker room and let the coaching staff we have work with them. I don't think we need a coaching staff change or a players personnel change.

"We need a training camp to play together. That's what this team needs."

Fitch said he expects to be back coaching the Rockets next season. Asked if he would be shocked to lose his job, he said: "Yes, it would shock me. I think I'll be coaching here next year."

Rockets forward Rodney McCray, who followed a 4-point performance in Game 3 with a 7-pointer Thursday, said Fitch "has done a good job. It's the players, the team, that didn't execute.

"He gave us a game plan. We made it look good at times. At times we didn't."

Rarely did it look good Thursday night in The Summit. The Rockets shot .439 from the floor and committed a shocking 22 turnovers. They looked like they were in training camp.

It was only because of the Mavericks' wild early shooting that the Rockets were in this game at all.

Only two players made this game worth watching: Olajuwon for Houston and the much-maligned Mark Aguirre, who scored 38 points for Dallas.

The Mavs played the first quarter as if they needed radar to find the basket. They shot 7 for 24 and trailed 23-14 with their lowest-scoring period in the team's sordid playoff history.

Dallas, which has only 4-12 road playoff record, looked fit for a knockout. As Fitch said, "Had we made the layups and the fast-break opportunities early, it looked like we could have blown them away."

But the Rockets, as so often has been the case this year, had no knockout punch.

Like a weary, punch-drunk boxer, the Mavs staggered to their feet and pulled themselves back into the game, as the Rockets played as though they were in a daze.

In a second quarter that was filled with brainless play, one episode stood out. With three seconds left, Buck Johnson tossed a lollipop of an inbounds pass, and Sam Perkins easily picked it off and raced for a dunk to give the visitors a 46-44 lead at halftime.

The Rockets did not fire in the third period but just stood around and watched Aguirre make his belated playoff entrance.

The sullen Aguirre, who had been a silent gun throughout this series, finally exploded with a 27-point quarter. He came within two points of Floyd's record for most points in a playoff period against the Los Angeles Lakers last year while Floyd was with Golden State.

The Mavericks led 83-76 entering the fourth quarter, and The Summit crowd was restive. Fitch was taking much verbal abuse for an offense that could find no openings.

"If we don't hit the outside shots," said Floyd, "we can't beat them. I'm at fault as much as anybody for not hitting the outside shot."

Indeed, Floyd was off stride all night, going 4 for 16 from the floor and coughing up 5 turnovers.

The Rockets seemed to derive no benefit from playing at home. This was the fourth loss in their last five playoff games in The Summit.

It was enough to make a lot of Rocket fans angry. Whether it was enough to cost players and/or coaches their jobs remains to be seen.




Problems to remain even if Fitch gone

DALLAS - It would be convenient to say Bill Fitch is the problem with the Houston Rockets and dismissing him will bring a championship.

Yes, it would be convenient, because Fitch is not a pleasant man to deal with, whether you're playing forhim or writing about him.

His failings as a human being have been enumerated many times: arrogance, defensiveness, offensiveness, etc.

As long as he's coaching the Rockets, the season will seem about three times longer than it is.

But the truth is that firing Fitch is not likely to produce dramatic improvement in this team.

Oh, there might be an extra win here or there. Then again, if you hire the wrong guy, there could be fewer wins.

Fitch has a difficult cast of characters to work with.

The buzzword around the NBA these days is chemistry, and this is where the Rockets are in trouble. They have all the elements, but they don't mix together, and there's probably nothing any coach could do about it.

Akeem Olajuwon, the franchise player, has emerged as an outspoken team leader, and the Rockets needed one.

But Olajuwon goes too far in trying to make sure the team revolves around him. His basketball background may be too limited for him to understand how championship teams are put together. They are not one-man gangs.

Olajuwon has publicly criticized point guard Sleepy Floyd for taking too many shots instead of passing the ball. And it's true that Floyd often shoots when he'd be better off leaving the gun in the holster.

But no one on the team has a more outrageous shot selection than the great Olajuwon. What's a 6-11 center doing taking spin-around jumpers from 18 feet when he's double-teamed?

So he makes a lot of sensational shots. Likewise, Floyd last year hit 49 percent, trying basically the same shots he's taking now and missing.

After Floyd left Golden State, the Warriors coaching staff spread the word around the NBA that this brilliant player was "uncoachable," that he insists on doing things his way, that while he has a point guard's brain and physical skills, he is a shooting guard at heart.

So what the Rockets have is two players fighting to take shots neither should be taking.

Since Olajuwon is a superstar while Floyd is merely a star, Fitch has to kowtow to Akeem.

Floyd knows he cannot win that battle, and he graciously has avoided getting into it.

Yet to take a player of Floyd's ability and handcuff him would be a mistake. To some extent, Fitch has done that, but to some extent, there's nothing else he can do while appeasing Akeem.

Last year the Rockets' biggest problems were uncreative point-guard play and lack of perimeter shooting.

In acquiring Floyd and Purvis Short, General Manager Ray Patterson took care of those needs.

But it still isn't working, because there's conflict among the players' egos.

What Olajuwon seems to want is a point guard more along the lines of Dennis Johnson, Terry Porter or John Stockton. These are players who will take the shot themselves only when there are no other options.

Floyd's style is more like Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas, players who force the issue themselves.

Floyd simply does not prosper in a setup game, though he tries to make it work. It's looking more and more like there isn't room on this team for both Olajuwon and Floyd, just as there didn't seem to be room for the Twin Towers, even though Ralph Sampson was willing to suppress his game to let Olajuwon blossom.

Maybe Fitch is at fault, as Olajuwon and other players have said he is, for not making their roles clear.

But consider this: If Fitch did assign the proper roles, would Olajuwon and Floyd accept their parts?

Would Olajuwon be willing to sacrifice some of his offensive razzle-dazzle to allow a multi-dimensional team offense to develop?

And would Floyd be willing to eschew those wide-angle 20-footers from the left side that are knocking paint of the rim?

Both Olajuwon and Floyd are used to having the lead role, and there may be no way to accommodate them both.

Regardless of what happens the rest of the way in the playoffs or what changes are made in the off-season, chances are the turmoil will continue.

Getting this team together is a job for Henry Kissinger.

Sure, bring on a new coach. But wait for the same old problems to resurface.

Nowhere is the difference between the Mavericks and Rockets greater than in the team's owners.

Charlie Thomas is very much a behind-the-scenes guy with the Rockets, although don't think he isn't in regular contact with Ray Patterson and letting his thoughts be known.

But Thomas sits several rows back at the games, rarely makes public statements and never makes threats.

Now look at Don Carter of the Mavericks. He's on the front row, midcourt, wearing his Stetson. He is a constant visible presence.

Go to the team's training facility, and there is a caricature of Carter standing with his players very much in the background, their heads not even in view, as Carter spins a basketball on his big finger.

The message is always apparent who is running this team.

But how wise is it for Carter to be always in the foreground? Considering that the Mavericks' biggest problem is their reputation for folding under pressure, does it really make sense for Carter to add to the pressure by promising "major changes" if they blow the first round of the playoffs again?

It seems more sensible to take the Charlie Thomas wait-and-see approach. Let the general manager, coaches and players do their jobs, and then at the end of the season, if you're not satisfied, make the changes. You don't need a lot of hype and buildup for this sort of event.

Applying more pressure is not going to make anybody's job easier.

ELSEWHERE IN THE NBA - Doug Moe points out the key to the Denver Nuggets' success in the regular season: their turnover ratio. The league's most surprising teams this year, Denver and New York, happen to be the leaders in forcing more turnovers than they allow. The Nuggets were plus 1.9 in that category, while the Knicks were plus 1.3.

"That's an unbelievable statistic, and nobody knows it," Moe said. "It's something people don't understand, and you never even hear it being mentioned around the league."

But each turnover means you've denied the other team a chance at a basket while creating an opportunity for your own team. Thus Denver gets about two extra baskets per game, which explains how the Nuggets outscored their opponents by 4.0 points per game this season. ...

Ex-Rocket Conner Henry may finally have found a home in Sacramento, after stops in Boston and Milwaukee. He played very well for the Kings in their final 15 games, as he averaged 7.8 points in 13 minutes a game, shooting 47 percent from the floor and 87 percent from the line. He also made 15 of 31 3-point shots ... Dominique Wilkins is getting carried away when he claims, "I think I'm in the Larry Bird-Magic Johnson class." Not when you're shooting 46 percent from the floor and getting almost as many turnovers as assists.


Satisfying Dream may turn into Rockets' nightmare

It tells much about the Rockets' state of internal unity when the Franchise Player wants every other starter replaced except the one he punched out in a shoot-around.

It turns out the only teammate Akeem Olajuwon can play with is the one he can't practice with, Robert Reid, who is probably Miami-bound, anyway.

Olajuwon's displeasure with the point guarding of Sleepy Floyd has been public knowledge for more than two months, and the All-Pro center announced on the final day of the season that major moves needed to be made. His call for "warriors who will fight" seemed at the time like an unintentional pun against the erstwhile Golden State Warriors, Floyd, Purvis Short and Joe Barry Carroll.

But Olajuwon revealed in last week's Channel 13 interview that he was not happy with his one-time buddy, Carroll, who along with Floyd, were said to "play for themselves, not the team."

Also struck in the Channel 13 blast was small forward Rodney McCray, a five-year teammate of Olajuwon's and the team captain.

Olajuwon was correct in citing the Rockets' need for "a small forward who can shoot from inside and outside" and a power forward who will rebound.

But how are the Rockets going to assemble a Dream team?

Do you think New Jersey will give up Buck Williams for Carroll? Think again.

Do you trade McCray for a sore-backed Kiki Vandeweghe to get a small forward who can hit an 18-foot jumper?

The Rockets' best opportunities may come in the free-agent market, where they have a good chance of landing two of the NBA's most dependable scorers, Tom Chambers and Dale Ellis of the Seattle Sonics.

One question, though, is whether Olajuwon can get along with Chambers and Ellis, who can't get along with each other.

A lot of people feel the best place for these guys is Houston, where dissenters and complainers are much in vogue. Most Rocket players have two things in common: they don't like each other and they can't stand the coach.

Removing the coach, Bill Fitch, would take away the players' one area of agreement, which may account for management's reluctance to make what seemed like an obvious first move, sending Fitch to a fresh start somewhere else.

Anyway, Ellis should find himself right at home here, as long as he stays clear of the Ocean Club. Ellis was arrested there two years in a fracas during the playoffs.

Ellis is a 25-points-a-game scorer and a 50 percent shooter. He was runnerup to Larry Bird in the Long Distance Shootout. He is a free-agent-with compensation, and one rumor has Floyd going to Seattle as compensation.

Chambers, last year's All-Star MVP, is an unrestricted free agent who can sign and play for any team that can fit him inside its salary cap. Chambers would not even have to give the Sonics the right to match an offer.

Chambers is known to be interested in Houston. The salary cap, which will expand at least to $6.7 million for next season, would leave the Rockets room to maneuver, particularly if Carroll (and a $1.4 million salary) can be shipped.

Chambers, 29, averaged more than 20 points a game for each of the last two seasons. He can make the most difficult shots and too often tries to.

But he won't help Olajuwon much with rebounding. Chambers had one more rebound this season than Carroll, who played 600 fewer minutes.

Ellis, 27, griped continually about his $375,000 salary that put him in the bottom third of NBA players. "I like Seattle," he said, "and I love playing for Bernie Bickerstaff. But if I can't be treated any better than I was being treated, maybe I'd rather play somewhere else."

Ellis reportedly has such a large chip on his shoulder it may require surgery as well as a change of cities. He quarrelled not only with management but with Sonics center Alton Lister, who in Ellis' view was grossly overpaid at $850,000.

The feud reached the point where even the two players' wives fought each other outside the team's locker room. The Sonics do not want the Ellises and Listers together for another season.

World B. Free, who recently recommended that the Rockets sweep out just about everyone, including himself, said, "I heard Akeem talk about Dale Ellis coming in here, because they have the same agent (Lee Fentress). But Dream wouldn't like Dale Ellis. He doesn't realize it, but he wouldn't like him."

Free's thinking is that Olajuwon couldn't play with someone who takes as many shots as Ellis, who took 133 more during the season than Olajuwon did.

Others say, though, that Olajuwon won't mind at all if Ellis takes all those shots, as long as he hits half of them and the team is winning.

As much as the Rockets appear to need a player personnel director, you have to wonder, what would they do with one?

After all, the personnel decisions will have to be agreed upon by Olajuwon. If Olajuwon can't get along with his next supporting cast, there will have to be another landslide personnel shift. And probably another personnel director.

After all, you can't trade a Franchise Player. Can you, Moses? Ralph?


Rockets fire beleaguered coach Fitch

In the wake of the firing of Bill Fitch, Houston Rockets President Ray Patterson was calling for "an atmosphere of openness and not paranoia."

Although he wasn't naming candidates to succeed Fitch as coach of the National Basketball Association team, Patterson did provide a list of prerequisites for the position.

"The new coach," Patterson said Monday, "will be experienced as an NBA coach or an assistant coach."

Patterson also said he prefers a coach with experience as an NBA player.

However, the Rockets' majority owner, Charlie Thomas, said Monday, "There isn't any criteria," and that the new coach "could come out of the college ranks. We're looking for somebody who communicates very well and has a good knowledge of the game."

Thomas said he and Patterson would begin interviewing potential candidates immediately.

Patterson expects a new coach to be hired before the June 28 college draft. He ruled out three names that had been rumored as possibilities for the position: Larry Brown, K.C. Jones and Rudy Tomjanovich.

Brown, coach of the NCAA-champion Kansas Jayhawks, has had a history of short tenures, and Patterson is looking for a new era that will last. Brown said Monday he was not interested in the Rockets' position.

The 56-year-old Jones, who recently retired as coach of the Boston Celtics, does not fit the picture as a long-term coach.

Patterson said Tomjanovich, formerly an All-Star for the Rockets and Fitch's assistant for the past five years, "is a candidate for director of personnel. He is not a candidate for head coach. Rudy has expressed a desire to be director of personnel and not to be head coach. He doesn't need the grief."

Patterson said the Rockets' other assistant coach, Carroll Dawson, would remain "as part of the organization," but that Dawson's role would be determined later and would depend on the wishes of the new head coach.

Although Fitch has three years to remain on a contract estimated to be worth around $800,000, he is not expected to remain with the organization in any capacity. Patterson predicted that Fitch would be hired by another NBA team "within six months."

Fitch, who has long maintained that his position in Houston would be his last coaching job, was unavailable for comment. He was reportedly at his summer home at Lake Conroe.

Patterson indicated Fitch took the news calmly when he was given the final word over the weekend that his services with the Rockets no longer would be required.

Asked if he had any candidates in mind to succeed the 54-year-old Fitch, Patterson said, "I have in mind a few names, but I haven't pursued anybody. I don't want to throw out any names at this time."

Two names that would qualify under Patterson's criteria and who are considered NBA head-coaching material are Allen Bristow, assistant coach for the Denver Nuggets, and Jerry Sloan, assistant coach of the Utah Jazz.

Patterson emphasized that the new coach "will be someone the players can communicate with. We want openness throughout the organization. I want a coach who will seek input from his assistants and from the players."

Communication problems appeared to be the key to Fitch's demise with the Rockets. A two-time coach of the year who won a championship with Boston in 1981, Fitch is an authoritarian who did not want his decisions questioned. He also insisted on having control over personnel matters, and this became a major area of conflict with Patterson.

"I felt we needed two positions," Patterson said, "a coach and a personnel director. But I got the feeling Bill would not be happy with that arrangement. He believed all the responsibilities could come under one head."

Fitch's job began to look shaky late in the season when the Rockets' star player, Akeem Olajuwon, began to express publicly his disenchantment with Fitch and with teammates Sleepy Floyd, Joe Barry Carroll and Rodney McCray.

Patterson said Olajuwon's outbursts showed "immaturity," and that "he's been talked to about that."

But the Rockets' president and general manager also blamed Fitch for not encouraging internal communication that could have dealt with disagreements before they became public.

"Akeem may have felt he had no place to turn but to go to the media," Patterson said. "But this is not the way you build an organization."

Fitch coached the Rockets for five years, and the first three featured steady progress culminating in the team's appearance in the NBA Finals in 1986.

But the last two seasons have been disappointing. The team's record slipped to 42-40 in 1986-87, and this past season the Rockets were 46-36 but were eliminated by the Dallas Mavericks in the first round of the playoffs.

After the season ended, Rockets guard World B. Free said a majority of the players wanted Fitch relieved as coach. Fitch also was criticized by ex-Rockets Ralph Sampson and Richard Anderson. And most recently, Jones, who was Fitch's former assistant coach in Boston, commented that his former boss was "bad with people."

However, two of the current Rockets, Robert Reid and Jim Petersen, moved to defend Fitch after hearing of his firing.

Reid cited the banishment, because of drug use, of John Lucas, Lewis Lloyd and Mitchell Wiggins, and an upheaval last season that resulted in five new players joining the team. Asked Reid: "Could any coach have kept control of what happened? For three years the team has not had a good solid lineup. Bill has made the Rockets a contender."

Petersen said, "I was thinking Bill could get a chance to redeem himself. I thought Charlie and Ray would give him a second opportunity. I thought Bill helped me a lot. He was meticulous. He's the most knowledgeable guy I've been around, basketball-wise. he knows so much about the game."

But now he will have to take his knowledge elsewhere.
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Jazz clobber Rockets in battle for fifth

SALT LAKE CITY - If the Rockets are going to have any momentum for the playoffs, they will have to wait for the last day of the season to start it.

They continued their listless ways in losing to the Utah Jazz 125-107 Saturday night.

It was Houston's third defeat in a row and sixth in eight games, while Utah continues to go the other direction, winning seven of its last eight games.

At stake Saturday were playoff pairings, and the Rockets at game's end still didn't know what theirs would be in the first round.

Saturday's defeat put the Rockets into the No. 6 slot in the Western Conference, so they'll play the third-place team.

Houston's will be either Portland or Dallas, depending on the outcome of those teams' final games of the season.

In Saturday's game in the Salt Palace, Karl Malone did his usual destruction job on the Rockets.

Akeem Olajuwon and Joe Barry Carroll paced the Rockets in scoring.

The battle over the fifth position in the conference is a dubious victory, since the winner goes to the Los Angeles Lakers' playoff bracket. The sixth-place team, on the other hand, doesn't have to face the world champions until the conference finals.

For the Jazz, however, there was more at stake than playoff position and playoff momentum. Utah wanted to get a significant record for point guard John Stockton, who came into the game needing 14 assists to break Isiah Thomas' NBA record of 1,123 in a season.

Stockton tied the record in the first half and broke it when Thurl Bailey scored with 9:10 left in the third quarter.

The 6-1 guard received a prolonged standing ovation from the crowd.

Very quietly, however, Utah has turned into one of the strongest teams in the National Basketball Association. Over the second half of the season, the Jazz record is 28-13, fourth-best in the league behind Denver, Detroit and the Lakers.

Utah has the No. 1 defense in the league, built around 7-foot-4 center Mark Eaton, and has limited opponents to 45 percent shooting for the season.

The offense features Malone, who has averaged 38 points a game for the last eight games, and Stockton, who shoots 57 percent from the floor.

Utah took control of Saturday's game early, but the Rockets stayed in it, primarily due to a 12-point first quarter by Carroll, who hit four of five field goal tries and all four of his free throws.

The Jazz led 36-28 entering the second quarter.

The Rocket cause suffered a blow two minutes into the second period when Purvis Short appeared to twist an ankle while scoring a layup.

Short limped off the court and did not return to the game. However, the injury did not seem to be serious.

Houston's defense completely collapsed in the second quarter. When Bobby Hansen drove over World B. Free for a basket, the Jazz led by 15 with 3:20 to go.

Then Stockton got loose on a fast break, and Sleepy Floyd committed a breakaway foul that gave Utah two free throws and stretched the margin to 17. The Jazz had hit 63 percent of its shots at that point.

The Jazz still retained possession, but Marc Iavaroni threw the ball away.

Iavaroni soon avenged himself when he tipped in a missed free throw by Malone to give Utah a 64-44 lead with 2:25 left in the half.

A Malone layup drive over Jim Petersen stretched the lead to 22, and when Stockton got by Robert Reid for a fast break, the Jazz led by 24, and the Salt Palace was celebrating.

The Rockets put on a mild rally to finish the half down 70-52, with Utah shooting 61 percent.

Houston didn't show for the third quarter, and twelfth-man Lester Conner was in the game much of the time. Utah led by 22 with six minutes left in the period.

Reid hit two baseline jumpers in a row to pull Houston within 13, and the Rockets cut the difference to 11 on a basket by Olajuwon.

But then Rickey Green hit a wide-open jump shot from 20 feet, and the momentum turned Utah's way again.

The Jazz led 97-82 entering the fourth quarter.


NO MORE TALK: THE RECORD IS STOCKTON'S

By Kurt Kragthorpe, Sports Writer

Trying to stay away from all the attention that went with his countdown to the NBA season record for assists, the Jazz's John Stockton had all kinds of trouble.
``I've got nosey teammates,'' he said.The Jazz players talked about the record all week long and especially before the game in the locker room, and rookie Bart Kofoed called out the numbers on the bench during Saturday night's game with Houston in the Salt Palace.
The record came early in the third quarter on Stockton's 14th assist of the game, a pass in the lane to Thurl Bailey for a finger-roll shot.
``I flashed into the middle and Stock found me, as he always does,'' said Bailey.
``There was a lot of enthusiasm for it on this team, and that was fun,'' Stockton said. ``Everybody on this team shared in it . . . everybody else was more excited about it than I was.''
And only Stockton could say this: ``Guys went out of their way to shoot and make the baskets, and I appreciated it.''
The record had belonged to Detroit's Isiah Thomas, who averaged 13.86 assists in 1985-86 but missed one game; Stockton averaged 13.76 assists this season. As Stockton approached the record this week, Thomas told the Detroit News, ``It just sets the level of basketball another notch higher. Even if he breaks it, it's still a record that I set and something no NBA player had done before.''
Although he only plays against Stockton twice a year, Thomas has plenty of respect for Stockton. ``People look at him and they see a little kid,'' he noted, ``but he's by far the quickest guy in the league. By far.''
Kelly Tripucka converted a good share of Thomas' assists during that record season. ``Isiah had an incredible year that year, and he's more of a flashy player,'' he said. ``John's more straightforward . . . he's just kind of there. He's kind of incognito. Isiah had more fanfare, but it's an incredible achievement.''
Stockton started his drive toward the record April 12, when he became the third player ever to reach 1,000 assists for a season. He followed that with a franchise-record 26 assists against Portland, and was within range entering the final week of the season. With 18 assists Tuesday at Portland, 21 Wednesday at the Los Angeles Clippers and 15 Friday at Seattle, he put himself in excellent position to wrap up the record at home.
The players all knew that. Before the game, ``Who's going to be the guy that scores it?'' was the question in the locker room, according to Bobby Hansen. Said Bailey, ``We knew he was going to get it, but we didn't talk about it too much because John really hates that, and we know that.''
Stockton could easily have broken the record in the first half. He had eight assists in the first quarter and tied the record with No. 13 with 5:15 left in the second quarter on a pass to Karl Malone. Bailey almost delivered the record-breaker moments later, but had a basket taken away by an offensive foul as one referee overruled another. Malone also missed a wide-open jumper before the half ended.
Bobby Hansen and Mel Turpin missed chances in the third quarter, but Bailey converted.
He and his teammates mobbed Stockton during the next stoppage in play and, later, Jazz owner Larry Miller and president-GM David Checketts congratulated Stockton and his wife at midcourt. Commemmorative cards were given to all the Salt Palace fans.
``A lot of things have to happen to break that kind of record,'' said Coach Frank Layden.
``It's a credit to him, and it also is a great credit to our team.''


NBA Playoffs/Mailman delivers in time

The era of the silent Mailman is over in the National Basketball Association playoffs.

Karl "the Mailman" Malone was terrorizing the Portland Trail Blazers again Saturday, just like he did throughout the regular season, scoring 37 points and grabbing 16 rebounds in a 114-105 Utah victory that evened the teams' best of-five series at 1-1.

The sullen Malone, who refused to talk to reporters after his 5-for-22 shooting night in the playoff opener, was replaced by a smiling, amiable version after Game 2.

He said he stopped talking because so many people were pressuring him for answers.

"I just had to say `Wait. Let me find Karl Malone again,"' he said. "I was coming out thinking I had something to prove when all I had to do is play my game."

He certainly played his game Saturday night.

"I just think a couple of shots fell for him and he was the old Mailman again," Utah's John Stockton said.

Stockton said Malone, who averaged nearly 34 points per game against Portland in the regular season but scored just 16 in Thursday night's 108-96 loss to the Blazers, hadn't even talked much to his teammates the past two days.

"He took it all within himself," Stockton said. "You've got give him credit for the way he came back."


No Layden joke: Jazz beats Lakers

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - Utah Coach Frank Layden, a modern-day Jackie Gleason, cares about how his Jazz fares in its NBA Western Conference semifinal playoff series against the Los Angeles Lakers. Really, he cares.

Layden isn't serious too often, but he was after the Jazz stunned the defending NBA champion Lakers 101-97 Tuesday night to deadlock the best-of-seven series at one game apiece.

"I want to make a statement before we go any further," Layden told reporters. "In previous press conferences here, I have kidded a lot and you like it. However, in Utah, it's been misconstrued that I don't care about the series.

"The win tonight was the best in our franchise history. For some reason, after nine years of doing everything I can, our (Salt Lake City) media say I'm not serious and don't care whether we win or lose and that my saying how good the Lakers are is not conducive to getting a winning feeling on our team.

"I have fun, win or lose, and I say things tongue in cheek. I'll try to keep the jokes to a minimum."

Layden was full of snappy one-liners after the Lakers overpowered the Jazz 110-91 in the first game of the series Sunday. Apparently, as he pointed out, his attempt at levity wasn't appreciated by some journalists from Utah.

The Jazz led nearly all the way Tuesday night, but had to survive several challenges in the late going by the Lakers, who lost despite making four 3-point shots in the final 1:10 of play - two each by Byron Scott and Michael Cooper.

Scott led the Lakers with 26 points, half of them in the fourth quarter.

The win was only the third for the Jazz in its last 34 games at the Forum and the loss snapped a 13-game Los Angeles home-court playoff winning streak.

"What a difference a day makes," Lakers Coach Pat Riley said. "Now, we've got our work cut out for us. We've been through this before, losing the second game of a series. It was obvious the difference tonight was Utah's defensive execution."

The Lakers made only 40.2 percent of their field goal attempts. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the 41-year-old Los Angeles center who is the NBA's all-time leading scorer, hit on just three of his 13 floor shots.

"They played our offense real well," Abdul-Jabbar said. "They just closed the middle. The shots we took did not go in. I blame myself for that, it was just a badly played game by the whole team."

Karl Malone led the Jazz with 29 points, 18 of them in the second half, and 10 rebounds. Thurl Bailey added 20 points and John Stockton had 19 points and a game-high 13 assists for Utah.

Utah center Mark Eaton scored only six points, but he had 12 rebounds and blocked seven shots, all in the first half.

"Eaton made the difference," Malone said of the 7-foot-4, 290-pound Utah center. "He's by far the biggest human being I've ever seen in my life. He's really a force in the middle. He made them alter their shots."

The third and fourth games of the series will be played in Utah Friday night and Sunday afternoon.


Malone leads Jazz past Lakers

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - Karl Malone scored 29 points and Thurl Bailey made two layups in the final 10 seconds Tuesday night, helping the Utah Jazz even their Western Conference semifinal series with a 101-97 triumph over the Los Angeles Lakers.

In winning for only the second time in 34 games at the Forum and halting the Lakers' 13-game home playoff victory streak, the Jazz survived a Los Angeles comeback to send the series to Salt Lake City for Game 3 Friday night.

Byron Scott scored 12 successive Laker points, including a 3-point basket with 36 seconds left, to bring the defending champions to within 94-91. John Stockton hit a pair of free throws, but Michael Cooper retaliated with another 3-pointer to make it a 2-point game with 22 seconds to play.

Stockton sank another free throw but missed a second. He got the rebound and fed Bailey for a layup and a 99-94 advantage with 10 seconds left. Another 3-pointer by Cooper - Los Angeles' fourth in the final 70 seconds - gave the Lakers hope, but Bailey sealed the upset by scoring off an inbounds play with two seconds to play.

Bailey finished with 20 points and Stockton had 19. Scott scored 13 of his 26 points in the final period and Magic Johnson finished with 19 for Los Angeles.

The Lakers had not lost during the playoffs at home since Ralph Sampson, then of Houston, ended their season with his buzzer-beater in the 1986 conference final. Utah had dropped 12 in a row at the Forum since an overtime victory Nov. 22, 1983.

The Jazz, playing outstanding defense, led 54-43 at halftime, and stretched their advantage to 15 points when Mark Eaton and Malone opened the third quarter by scoring from close range. Malone scored Utah's next 8 points, then hit with 3:28 left in the period for a 72-58 lead. Los Angeles finished the quarter with an 8-2 run to cut its deficit to 74-66 entering the final quarter.

Marc Iavaroni, who averaged just 4.5 during the regular season and 2.5 in the playoffs, hit 4 of 5 shots and scored 10 points in the second quarter as the Jazz raced to their 11-point halftime lead.


NBA playoffs/Surprising Jazz top Lakers again

SALT LAKE CITY - Karl Malone scored 29 points and Mark Eaton outplayed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar again as the Utah Jazz defeated the Los Angeles Lakers 96-89 on Friday night and took a 2-1 lead in their second-round NBA playoff series.

The Jazz, who never trailed but fought off a late Lakers rally, will play Los Angeles in Game 4 here Sunday. The series will return to Southern California Tuesday night.

The Lakers defeat marked the first time the defending NBA champions have trailed in a playoff series since 1986, when the Houston Rockets defeated them 4-1 in the Western Conference finals.

The Jazz, who won 101-97 at the Forum in Inglewood, Calif., Tuesday, held the Lakers to just one field goal in the first 2:35 and 38 percent shooting from the field in the first half, when Los Angeles trailed by as many as 16 points.

Eaton, who fnished with 10 points, 14 rebounds and six blocked shots, continued his dominance of the Lakers, clogging up the middle and holding Abdul-Jabbar to just six points, none in the final quarter.

Abdul-Jabbar, showing frustration like the rest of the Lakers, was whistled for his third personal foul with 5:13 left in the first half and his fourth with 7:51 left in the game and played sparingly.

John Stockton had 22 points and 12 assists and Thurl Bailey 21 points for the Jazz. Byron Scott led Los Angeles with 29 points and Magic Johnson had 16.



BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JAZZ BEAT L.A. AGAIN
UTAH HOLDS OFF LAKER CHARGE IN FINAL MINUTES TO GO UP 2-1


By Kurt Kragthorpe, Sports Writer

Is this really happening? Here are the Utah Jazz, the team that struggled like crazy in the middle of the season and was producing more good stories off the court, is doing a number on the Los Angeles Lakers.
The latest was a 96-89 victory over the defending NBA champions in the Salt Palace Friday night, giving the Jazz a 2-1 lead in the best-of-seven series. Game 4 is Sunday afternoon and, while the Lakers finally woke up in the fourth quarter, they're in just a little trouble in the Western Conference semifinals.``Not in our wildest dreams did we think we'd be down 2-1,'' said Magic Johnson.
``We either have to change our attitude, or this will be a very short series,'' said Coach Pat Riley.
Jazz Coach Frank Layden, whose chief fear seems to be saying anything that will end up on the champs' bulletin board, said, ``We accept this victory humbly.''
What choice did he have? ``Sunday - and we keep saying this over and over - is the biggest game of the season,'' said Karl Malone.
Scoring all of four points in more than eight minutes, the Jazz showed signs of giving up a 13-point lead in the fourth quarter, but the Lakers went into a mysterious slump to match the Jazz's down the stretch.
They'd used a 10-2 run to come within five points before the Jazz's John Stockton made a huge play after the Lakers were down by only five, rebounding a Johnson miss, driving and dishing to Malone for a layup. But James Worthy responded with a three-point play with 2:53 left.
Incredibly, that was the last basket of the game.
The Lakers had three chances to score when they were down by four - and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was involved every time. He missed a hook shot with the shot clock running down, was called for an offensive foul while posting up without the ball and missed another hook. The only Laker score came on a Worthy free throw with 25 seconds left, while the Jazz strung together four free throws of their own to secure things.
Curiosities? Consider these: The 41-year-old Abdul-Jabbar made 3 of 14 shots for six points, worse than his Game 2 outing. Worthy, benched by first-half foul trouble, took his first shot of the game late in the third quarter and finished with seven points - the second single-figure game of his playoff career, covering 78 games. Magic Johnson had a quiet 16 points and only six assists.
``Those guys are the heart of our team,'' said Riley. ``If they can't get baskets off our sets, they have to get them other ways.''
Byron Scott almost saved the Lakers with 29 points, but the Jazz answered with Malone's 29 points and 13 rebounds, Stockton's 22 points and 12 assists and Thurl Bailey's 21 points. And what about Mark Eaton, suddenly the people's choice in the Palace? Try 10 points, 14 rebounds and six blocks - and credit him largely for the Lakers' 42-percent shooting.
What's wrong with the Lakers?
``We're the problem,'' insisted Bailey. ``We're playing well. We're executing well and getting people in foul trouble.''
The game was advertised as the biggest in Salt Palace history, and the atmosphere was worthy of that billing. So was the game.
The Jazz led through the first quarter as they would through the whole game, although Malone missed a layup that would have given them a 10-3 lead and probably force a Laker timeout and build up the crowd. But there was plenty of opportunity for that. The Jazz kept coming and ended up with a 31-23 quarter lead. Marc Iavaroni collected three fouls in the opening 1:31, but Worthy also went to the bench with three fouls late in the quarter.
Layden split up his guard rotation, spelling Stockton with Eddie Hughes while Bobby Hansen was still in the game. Before Bart Kofoed came in for Hansen, Stockton returned from his short rest.
The Jazz made a move early in the second quarter when Stockton hit a jumper and drove for a layup and a 41-29 lead. The Lakers recovered for the moment with Thompson's tip and Abdul-Jabbar's hook, but Malone drove on Kareem for a three-point play, drawing the Laker captain's thrid foul. Curiously, Riley's first subsitution at that point was Cooper for Johnson; Abdul-Jabbar came out later and Johnson spent the last five minutes of the half on the bench.
After the Lakers cut the lead to 10, the Jazz answered with Hansen's two layups with two Malone free throws in between to go up by 16 before Tony Campbell's jumper brought the Lakers within 56-42 at the half.
The situation was very similar to that of Tuesday's Game 2, when the Lakers also shot poorly in the first half - 38 percent in this case - and trailed by 11.
Just as they did then, the Lakers worked their way back into the game in the late going of the third quarter. The Jazz built their lead to 16 twice, but the Lakers seemed to wake up. Stockton's steal from Johnson for a layup halted one threat, but the Lakers came within nine in the last 39 seconds on a Scott three-pointer and a Mike Smrek free throw.
The Lakers could have held the ball for the last shot of the quarter, but Thompson missed in the lane and Smrek's loose-ball foul gave the Jazz a chance with four seconds left. And Stockton delivered, knocking in an off-balance 30-footer for three points and a 81-69 lead at the break.
Stockton scored on a drive to open the the fourth period and the margin was 14. The rest was a hanging-on operation. Malone's drive for a three-point play kept the lead at 13 with 8:38 left, but Scott scored three straight baskets and the Jazz proceeded to go six trips without scoring against the Laker trap. For the first time all game, the heat was on the Jazz.
Bailey stopped the bleeding with a baseline shot, but Johnson came right back with a drive past Eaton. The Lakers had things going their way, but the Jazz stayed in command.
``The thing we should be the most proud of is the way we kept our composure down the stretch,'' said Malone. ``You know they're going to come back, no matter how far ahead you are.''
Chances are, that includes 2-1 in a seven-game series. But the Jazz are having fun while this lasts.


Lakers face the music, even series

SALT LAKE CITY - James Worthy says the Los Angeles Lakers were a little bit concerned when they trailed the Utah Jazz by nine points early in the second half.

"We were concerned when we were down by that much," said Worthy, whose Lakers overcame a 65-56 deficit early in the second half Sunday to defeat Utah 113-100.

The victory helped the defending NBA champions tie the best-of-seven playoff series at two games each.

"We had to quit turning the ball over and eliminate some of their second-shot opportunities," said Worthy, who scored 21 of his 29 points in the first half.

The Jazz surprised the Lakers 101-97 in the Forum last week, then put the Lakers in the unfamiliar territory of trailing 2-1 in a playoff series with a 96-89 victory here Friday night.

Magic Johnson, who finished with 24 points, said one reason the Lakers fell behind in the series is they had little respect for the Jazz, who had won five of seven playoff games prior to Sunday.

"I thought we didn't come in and respect them as a team," Johnson said. "That's why we lost the last couple of games.

"Being down 3-1 is hard," Johnson said. "We knew what we had to do. We've been playing good defense on them all the games. We just hadn't scored and played our game. Finally we got into our game."

Utah Coach Frank Layden said the Jazz may have felt too comfortable when Bobby Hansen put them ahead 65-56 with a 3-point basket with 9:05 left in the third quarter.

"They're too good a team for that," Layden said. "You always got to play like it's nothing-nothing.

"It's a three-game series," Layden added. "There are two (games) at their place and we have to do something that no one else has done except us. It's not easy."

Karl Malone, who led the Jazz with 29 while John Stockton added 21 and had 13 assists, said the Jazz were taking the defeat in stride.

"You win some and you lose some," Malone said. "But we aren't going to stop here. We just have to go over there and win a game. That's our attitude."

The Lakers, behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, took control and tied the game at 71 on a 15-6 run sparked by Johnson, Worthy and Abdul-Jabbar.

Abdul-Jabbar, who finished with 20 points, tied the game on a sky hook with four minutes left in the third quarter.

The Lakers continued their streak, building their lead to 85-75 going into the fourth period. Utah never got closer than six points in the final quarter.

The 41-year-old center, who is the NBA's all-time leading scorer in the playoffs, had been shut down by Utah's Mark Eaton in the previous two games.


Cooper comes through to lift LA over Utah/Stockton ties record

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - One of the last options turned out to be the best one for the Los Angeles Lakers.

Michael Cooper's only field goal of the game, a jump shot from near the top of the key with seven seconds remaining Tuesday night, gave the defending NBA champion Lakers a 111-109 victory over the Utah Jazz and a 3-2 lead in their Western Conference semifinal series.

The sixth game of the best-of-seven series will be played Thursday night at Salt Lake City. A seventh game, if necessary, would be played Saturday afternoon at the Forum.

Cooper said afterward that the winning shot was his first in a 10-year NBA career.

"This would have to be the biggest shot for me," he said. "I'm a professional. I'm supposed to hit that shot."

After Cooper's basket, which put the Lakers ahead 110-109, and a Utah timeout, James Worthy stole Marc Iavaroni's inbounds pass. Worthy was fouled and made one free throw with five seconds left. He missed his second shot, however, and Utah had a final chance to tie or win but was unable to get off a shot before time ran out.

Cooper, who scored only three points, hit his winning shot five seconds after Utah had taken a 109-108 lead on a baseline jumper by Thurl Bailey, who led the Jazz with 28 points.

On the ensuing possession, Magic Johnson penetrated the Utah defense and then fed the ball to Cooper, who was wide open.

When asked if Cooper was the first option on the play, Johnson said, "Me or James (Worthy) were. In that instance, he (Lakers coach Pat Riley) put everyone in who could shoot. So we had a lot of options. I just wanted to drive and create something.

"Coop was the best option. When I drove, it seemed like everyone came at me. Cooper was wide open, so I went to him.

"That was Coop's shot. That was his sweet spot. I knew it was going to be good or a little short. That was the right spot for him and he hit it. He knew to shoot it. Nobody was on him."

Said Cooper: "Once I saw Magic on the move with the ball, I just went to an open area. I was just glad to receive the basketball at that time. It felt good once I let it go. I thought it was going in."

The Jazz was competitive until the end despite the absence of massive center Mark Eaton, who fouled out with 6:01 remaining and the Lakers ahead 96-94.

Los Angeles extended its lead to 101-97, but the Jazz battled back and took the lead three times after that. Utah went ahead twice in the final minute - on a dunk by Karl Malone with 47 seconds left to make it 107-106, and on Bailey's jumper.

In between those baskets, Worthy made a short jumper with 31 seconds to go to give the Lakers a 108-107 edge.

"Hell of a game," Riley said. "I don't think that we are going to run into another team that will play that well against us. It was a great effort on our part. We have a chance to close it on Thursday that we want to take advantage of."

Worthy led the Lakers with 27 points. Byron Scott added 24, Johnson contributed 20 and had 13 assists, and Mychal Thompson 18 points and 11 rebounds for the Lakers.

Malone, who had 29 points in each of the first four games of the series, finished with 27 Tuesday night and grabbed 16 rebounds. John Stockton tied a playoff record with 24 assists and added 23 points for Utah.

Stockton tied the assist mark set by Johnson against Phoenix on May 15, 1984.

"The assist record doesn't mean anything when you don't win," Stockton said. "I wasn't even tired, and I wasn't aware I didn't come out of the game. This is no time to be tired.

"Whether we win or lose, this has been the most fun experience for me since I've been playing basketball. Nothing can compare to it."

Utah Coach Frank Layden didn't appear in the interview room after the game and kept his team's locker room closed to reporters.

Layden issued the following statement: "We're going to keep our cool. We have nothing to say. We have no comment."

Los Angeles led 37-32 after the first quarter, the game was tied 59-59 at halftime, and the Lakers were on top 86-78 after three quarters.

Los Angeles extended its advantage to 10 points - the largest lead by either team - early in the fourth period before the Jazz battled back. Utah outscored the Lakers 15-4 to take a 93-92 lead with 7:43 remaining.

The Lakers led 96-94 shortly later when Eaton, the 7-foot-4, 290-pounder who has been so effective clogging the middle for the Jazz, fouled out. His counterpart on the Lakers, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, fouled out with 3:06 left.

Eaton had 10 points, nine rebounds and two blocked shots. Abdul-Jabbar had 14 points, five rebounds and two blocks.

"I don't think the Jazz has given up at any point in the playoffs," Abdul-Jabbar said. "So I don't think this will take anything out of them."

Stockton expressed similar sentiments, saying, "I know what our team is made of, we're not going to lie down and die, we're not going to give up. We've got to go back to Salt Lake and we must play well. If we can win Thursday night, then we can come back here and maybe steal one at the Forum."

That wouldn't figure to be easy, considering the fact that the Jazz has a 3-32 record in its last 35 games against the Lakers at the Forum.

But one of those three wins came last week in the second game of the series, and the Jazz certainly had a shot to win Tuesday night.

"They're coming to play every night," Johnson said of the Jazz. "No sense in being nervous, just go out and play. That's what they're doing."


WE'RE GOING BACK TO L.A.,' JAZZMAN MALONE GUARANTEES

By Gordon Edes, Los Angeles Times Writer

With a sly smile, Karl ``the Mailman'' Malone said he had a message he wanted sent to the Lakers.
``We're going back to L.A.,'' the Utah Jazz forward proclaimed in Salt Lake City Wednesday afternoon. ``That's a guarantee.''In another time and in another place, Malone's words would be dismissed as so much bravado, the last gasp of a would-be challenger on the verge of being knocked through the ropes by the Lakers, who lead their Western Conference semifinal series, 3 games to 2, and could advance to the next round with a win here Thursday night.
But although Michael Cooper's game-winning shot with 7 seconds left in the Lakers' thrilling 111-109 Game 5 win may indeed have been a death rattle for Utah, Malone and his Jazz teammates heard a different tune. To them, the Lakers - on their own court, with a houseful of celebrities and a 10-point lead in the fourth quarter - still were behind by a point with 12 seconds remaining and needed Cooper to bail them out.
Back in the Salt Palace, where the teams split Games 3 and 4, that may not be enough, Malone said.
``I'm really, really in a good state of mind because that was the best they can play, the best I've ever seen them play, and we were still up by one,'' Malone said. ``They needed a miracle. How many miracles have they got?
``I know how they're thinking. Everybody counted us out. People already got the Boston-Laker caps and shirts made. That's interesting, but it's not over yet.
``I'll tell you what - they've got to beat us, and they haven't done it yet.''
So what we have here are dueling guarantees - Coach Pat Riley's promise that the Lakers will repeat as National Basketball Association champions, Malone's that they're not going to get out of Utah with the win that would take them one step further toward that goal. And Malone already has backed up one guarantee: In the first round, after the Jazz split two games in Portland, Malone swore that the Jazz would win the next two at home to eliminate the Trail Blazers. He delivered on time.
``I've just been looking at each player they've got and each player we've got,'' Malone said. ``Point guard to point guard, shooting guard to shooting guard, center to center, forwards to forwards.
``How far are we behind, if we're behind at all? Not far at all.''
What Jazz player could have dared say that after losing a 110-91 laugher to the Lakers in Game 1?
Said guard Bobby Hansen: ``After that game we said, `Wait a minute. That can't be the Utah Jazz the way we want to be remembered as. Let's go out fighting.'
``We were reading all those one-liners in the L.A. papers. It gets you so enraged. We couldn't even go out wearing a Jazz T-shirt. That's changed now.''
And the Jazz wonder if the outcome of Tuesday's game might have been changed if 7-foot-4 center Mark Eaton hadn't fouled out with more than half of the fourth quarter still to be played.
Utah Coach Frank Layden was so afraid he'd say something bad about the officiating - not one foul was called against the Lakers in the third quarter - that he closed the Jazz dressing room to the media after the game. That earned the Utah franchise a hefty fine, as team president David Checketts learned after talking with the league office Wednesday morning.
``I was just standing there like this and (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) stumbles out of bounds,'' Eaton said, describing his fifth personal foul, which he got with 7 minutes 24 seconds left to play. ``And how about the shot that Mychal Thompson took, which hit the bottom of the backboard, and I was standing there with my hands up?
``To beat the Lakers at the Forum, you've got to be ahead by 10 or 12 points with a couple of minutes to go, because everything in the last couple of minutes is going to go their way.
``It's a reality.''
Utah's John Stockton, meanwhile, has been something just short of unreal. In eclipsing another pretty good point guard, one Earvin Johnson, Stockton tied Johnson's playoff record for assists with 24, scored 23 points, and made five steals, including two in the last two minutes. He also got his hand on the ball just before Magic passed it to Cooper for the game-winning shot.
Asked if he could take satisfaction in playing a starring role in what Laker General Manager Jerry West called one of the greatest games he'd ever seen, Stockton said: ``You can find satisfaction in anything if you want to. The world's full of satisfied losers. The thing that matters is where you choose to draw the line at what you're satisfied with.
``This is the playoffs. You can throw out all the stats, you can throw the season out the window, nothing else matters. It comes down to whether you win or lose - who cares what your numbers were?''


Is `The Last Emperor' only movie to the Lakers?

SALT LAKE CITY - On the afternoon before Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinal playoff series, Coach Pat Riley of the Hollywood Lakers called off practice and decided to take in a movie.

"The Last Emperor." About the end of a dynasty. "Don't read anything into that," Riley said. "It was only a movie."

Perhaps, but isn't it funny how life often imitates art?

Because now Riley's Lakers, pro basketball's reigning royalty and the NBA dynasty of the '80s, must feel like they're stuck inside a movie themselves. Something based on a Stephen King book or one of those "Friday the 13th" sequels.

What happened Thursday night at the Salt Palace was strictly a horror show as the Lakers were beheaded by the undying Utah Jazz 108-80.

And if you think for a minute that the Lakers can just go back to the Forum and take care of business on their cozy home court, then you haven't been paying attention.

What we're seeing here is not only an extremely impressive performance by a very gritty Jazz team, but maybe the dawn of a new era in the NBA.

No more rubber-stamping the Lakers and Boston into the NBA Finals. The two giants of the game are aging and obviously on the decline. The Celtics are on the verge of being put away by Atlanta, and LA has all it can handle to get out of this series alive.

Remember, Utah has already grabbed one win in front of Hollywood's glitter crowd and came within 12 seconds of getting another in Game 5.

It's a scenario that surely brings a tear to the eyes of the CBS execs, who drool over the prospect of an LA-Boston showdown each spring. But isn't it actually refreshing to be able to turn on the TV and watch an NBA playoff game and really not know who is going to win or what is going to happen?

After all, wasn't it easy to believe that the Jazz had shot their guns in Game 5 and would probably just go down in a good fight Thursday?

Who could have thought that Utah would not only win, but take the Lakers apart and make them look more like the Clippers?

It was 7-2 Lakers after the first 2:41 and then 28-9 Jazz just five minutes later.

The Lakers missed nine straight shots and turned the ball over four times in between baskets.

Magic Johnson was stumbling around on the dribble, Byron Scott was misfiring on the jumper, James Worthy was invisible and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar once again looked like a very old man. Which he is in this game at 41.

Meanwhile the Jazz weren't just playing confidently, but cockily. Karl Malone had publicly guaranteed a Utah victory in Game 6 and the Jazz were making that bold task look no more difficult than strolling into the supermarket and plucking a win off the shelf.

The Jazz played taller, stronger and with so much more spark.

The Mailman Malone delivered just about any time he wanted. John Stockton was once more the best point guard in this series, being disruptive on defense and almost flawless on offense. Utah finally had a game in which 7-foot-4 Mark Eaton was able to go the distance without foul trouble and sixth man Thurl Bailey seemed to stab in another 18-footer anytime the Lakers even threatened to make a run.

Check it out. It was 31-13 after the first quarter and 43-22 midway through the second.

The Lakers had a minirun just before the half to close the gap to 56-42. But Utah ran off an 11-2 spree to open the third quarter and the only suspense left was wondering just how embarrassing it could get for LA. For the record, that came when the scoreboard read 100-70 late in the fourth.

You had to ask if the Jazz were playing the Lakers or the Laker girls? It was enough to make Jack Nicholson pull down those dark sunglasses over his face in shame.

Oh, what a strange series it had already been. Charges and counter-charges of poor refereeing and illegal tactics. Uptight coaches and wound-too-tight players.

First, Riley accused his three star players - Abdul-Jabbar, Magic and Worthy - of not playing up to their potential and then villified the press for criticizing them. First, Utah Coach Frank Layden did everything but audition for a guest spot at the Comedy Store with his one-liners, then locked the door of the Jazz locker room after the dispiriting loss in Game 5.

Now they go to Game 7. Only the second time in this decade that the Lakers have had to go that far in any playoff series.

LA has Abdul-Jabbar playing in the middle like an anchor around its offense and some others who just might be showing signs of feeling the pressure of the situation.

There are cracks showing.

Riley is familiar with the story. "The Last Emperor." The end of a dynasty.

But that was only a movie. Wasn't it?


Lakers in unfamiliar role after loss to Jazz

SALT LAKE CITY - Utah Coach Frank Layden could have done without Karl Malone's guarantee of a Jazz victory in Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinals.

"I chastened him for that," Layden said. "When you walk by the lion, you do it softly. You don't wake him up."

Not to worry, Frank. Whatever lion is left in the Los Angeles Lakers was not apparent Thursday night, when the Jazz pulled out the tranquilizer guns and anesthetized the Lakers 108-80, beginning with a 26-2 first-quarter run that may have been the worst stretch of "Showtime" ever seen in the 1980s.

The Lakers are left to do something they've never done in this decade - win the seventh game of a playoff series. They've gone the distance only once before in the '80s, losing to the Boston Celtics 111-102 in Game 7 of the 1984 finals at Boston.

The Jazz isn't guaranteeing anything now. But after administering the sixth worst loss in Laker playoff history, Utah isn't conceding anything in Saturday afternoon's finale.

"We know they know we can win down there," Utah forward Thurl Bailey said. "We converted well, stripped them of their inside game.

"This was the best game in the club's history. We're putting Utah on the map, and we're going to win."

The Lakers, obviously, gave the Jazz no reason to feel otherwise Thursday night, suffering a collective breakdown as complete as any seen since the famous Boston Massacre in 1985, when the Lakers lost Game 1 of the finals to the Celtics by 34 points, 148-114.

James Worthy scored a mere four points in his worst playoff game as a professional. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar again had as many turnovers as baskets (four) and was totally neutralized by Utah's Mark Eaton, who until this season was never more than a 7-foot-4 caddie for the Laker center.

Magic Johnson made 3 of 12 baskets and once again deferred to Utah's John Stockton, who had 14 points, 17 assists and three steals. The man who spent the night guarding Johnson, Utah's Bobby Hansen, missed only one shot out of 11, scoring 25 points, and triggered an 18-5 run at the top of the third quarter that erased any chance of a Laker comeback, as remote as that was.

Hansen also got in a brief shoving match with Johnson in the fourth quarter, when Layden put his considerable frame in between the two players.

"He said, `You owe me one,' " Hansen said of the flare-up with Johnson. "He hit me hard in the stomach.

"He teed me off and sent me into a frenzy. I've been in worse fights with my wife. He's set up for life and I'm just playing year to year, trying to pay the bills."

The Lakers have had worse offensive games in their playoff history: In 1972, the team that won a record 33 straight games scored just 72 points and shot 27.2 percent in a game against the Milwaukee Bucks. The Lakers came back to win the championship that season, just as they did in 1985.

But even after watching his team shoot just 37.5 percent Thursday - 23.8 percent in the third quarter when the Jazz put them away for good - Laker Coach Pat Riley figures that his own guarantee of repeat titles can be kept alive Saturday.

"It all comes down to one game, a seventh game," Riley said. "You work hard all year for an edge. Frank (Layden) and I have done everything we can do. It basically comes down to five guys out there doing a job."

Johnson, asked if he cared to make a prediction of his own in response to Malone's prophecy-come-true, shook his head.

"That's not me," said Johnson. "I'll come out and play Saturday. We've never, not any of our players, have ever talked like that. We'll come out and be ready."

But ready or not, the Jazz will be there, too.

"Let's take a poll, all right?" Layden said to reporters in a postgame press conference.

"The poll will cost you 100 bucks each. Who's going to win the (Game 7)?"

No one replied.

"How about if I make it five bucks?" Layden said. "I haven't changed my story - they (the Lakers) may be the best team in history."

If any Laker team in the '80s had a worse stretch than the Lakers in the first quarter Thursday night, it escaped the memory of long-time courtside observers.

Imagine the Lakers - who once scored 29 straight points to start a game against Sacramento - having a similar humiliation inflicted on them during Utah's 26-2 run.

It came without warning, too, as the Lakers got off to a decent enough start. They led, 7-2, after Byron Scott's three-pointer with 2:41 gone in the first quarter.

The Jazz then ran off eight straight points, beginning with Mark Iavaroni's jumper. Stockton stole a pass from Johnson, and Malone scored on a left-handed drive at the other end. Malone rebounded a miss by Worthy, was fouled at the other end, and gave the Jazz a lead that soon expanded as rapidly as Layden's waistline.


New era?

INGLEWOOD Calif. - It is said that good things come to those who wait. But because they were impatient, the Rockets may be on the verge of getting left in the dark as a new day dawns in the National Basketball Association.

While the sun has not yet officially set on the established order of the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics in the world of skywalks and slam dunks, it is definitely slipping closer toward the horizon.

For proof, look no farther than Saturday's 109-98 victory by the Lakers over the Utah Jazz. No, don't look at the final score or the margin of the win. Just consider that the glittery, sun-splashed, showtime, Hollywood Lakers even had to play an ultimate seventh game to sneak past the Jazz in their Western Conference semifinal playoff series.

Did you ever think you'd live long enough to hear America's trendiest crowd at the Forum rise to its feet with a sense of urgency and chant in unison: "Beat U-tah! Beat U-tah!" Or that the best point guard in any series involving Magic Johnson and Jack Nicholson would be a pesky little guy from Gonzaga?

Indeed, the times they are a-changin'. The haves are getting old, the have-nots are getting better and the door that separates the league's royalty from the general rabble is very close to getting kicked down.

Those gales of laughter that used to erupt when somebody brought up the possibility of a Utah-Atlanta showdown some year in the NBA Finals have now turned into just a nervous titter in the executive offices of CBS. The Jazz, the Hawks, Detroit, Dallas, Denver, Chicago, even Cleveland, are all teams that are looking realistically at playing for a title in the next decade.

"The lottery, the draft system, more sophisticated techniques in scouting, coaching and a lot of other areas have brought us to the point where thinking like that is definitely possible," said Jazz Coach Frank Layden.

"We came up one game short in this series this year, but we're getting very close to a time when this isn't a two-team league, where only the Lakers and Celtics can contend for the championship. The players that have carried those two teams so far all these years are getting up there in age and now, I think we proved that there are a lot of other clubs capable and ready to move up to that level."

Except, perhaps, the club that should have been the logical successor to the Lakers and Celtics as the Team of the '90s. Yes, your Houston Rockets. Or Charlie Thomas' Houston Rockets, if you don't want to claim them anymore. And no one would blame you.

Just two years ago at this time, it was the Rockets who came here to the Forum and pushed LA over the edge. They had Akeem Olajuwon, Ralph Sampson and a future that appeared more solid than a Laker Girl's build.

But like Jerry Buss' ex-escorts, that's yesterday's news. Houston's shining future was before the days of cocaine, bad trades and Bill Fitch's excuses, excuses, excuses.

The Lakers' playoff experience and all-around level of talent eventually caught up to the Jazz. But not before Utah left the Lakers with that 108-80 black eye the other night in Game 6 and gave the likes of Dyan Cannon and Rob Lowe and Billy Crystal the scare of their $200-a-seat lives.

While the Rockets have spent the past two weeks fiddling with a decision that should be as plain as the nose on their embarrassed faces, Utah nearly burned down the house of the defending world champions.

In four of the seven games, the Jazz clogged up the middle and didn't allow the Lakers to operate anything more than a perimeter offense. Mark Eaton changed the Lakers' shots, John Stockton picked their pockets and Karl "The Mailman" Malone played like a terrifying monster out of the Louisiana bayous. Which he is.

Only once in the series did the Jazz - and the ravages of advancing age - permit 41-year-old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to be an offensive factor. Only when Magic reached down into a tired, aching body that is hobbled by a groin pull for a gritty 23 points, 16 assists and 9 rebounds and Byron Scott popped in 29 from the center lane of the San Diego Freeway did the Lakers finally put the Jazz away.

Based on how far LA was pushed in this round, it may well be that the Lakers' best shot at repeating as champs would be in a limping battle of graybeards against the Celtics, where the aging dynasties beat each other over the head with canes.

"The way I see it," said "The Mailman," who delivered more efficiently than Federal Express, "we're about one player or a player-and-a-half away from honestly challenging for the championship."
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Blackman helps Mavs rock Nuggets 108-95

DALLAS - On the court, out there in the middle of the flying bodies and the roaring crowd with a game on the line, he hardly looks like the ideal candidate for this sort of activity.

Often as not, his face is contorted in a grimace, a reflection of the intensity with which he plays. He fidgets. He moves his feet in quick, darting steps that appear equal part deception and indecision.

All in all, the portrait of a man on the edge.

"Hey, I'm as nervous as anybody in that kind of situation," Rolando Blackman was saying Thursday night. "But I have the advantage.

"I have the ball."

He did this time, at least, and the Dallas Mavericks have their first-ever berth in the Western Conference finals because of it.

With Dallas struggling once again against another strong effort from the outmanned Denver Nuggets, it was Blackman who finally put an end to this business, scoring nine consecutive points down the stretch. He and Sam Perkins ended the evening with 23 points each as the Mavericks finally pulled away for a 108-95 win and a 4-2 victory in this Western semifinal.

"Ro stepped to the front of the stage tonight," said Mavericks Coach John MacLeod. "That's what you need this time of year."

The Mavericks, in fact, needed it badly.

With Mark Aguirre a non-factor (four points in 19 minutes after picking up three quick fouls in the first quarter), Dallas again had trouble shaking a Nuggets team that once more played without All-Star guard Fat Lever (strained knee) and sixth man Jay Vincent (pulled calf muscle).

Denver stayed close, due in large part to Alex English's 34 points, and until Blackman took over it appeared the series might go back to Denver for a seventh game Saturday afternoon.

As they had throughout this series, the Nuggets played hard, made the Mavericks look bad at times and could just as easily have pulled this one out. Dallas jumped out to leads of 9-1 at the start and 73-63 in the third quarter, but Denver kept coming back and actually took the lead at 86-84 after a layup by English with 9:50 to play.

It would stay tight over the next few minutes. An 18-footer by Blackman - a shot that hit the front of the iron, bounced up and fell back in - made it 94-89 Dallas with 5:39 remaining, but a layup by Danny Schayes and a 20-footer by T.R. Dunn cut the deficit to 94-93 at 4:47.

"It was there for us," said Nuggets Coach Doug Moe. "It just wasn't meant to be, I guess."

So it seemed. Just when things seemed so promising, the bottom fell out once and for all for the Nuggets. English missed a short jumper that would have given Denver the lead, then Michael Adams had an open layup rattle out with 3:36 left.

Enter Blackman, whose 20-footer from the right baseline extended the lead to 96-93 with 3:14 to play. Then, following a miss by Dunn, Blackman scored again from almost the same spot.

Mike Evans made it 98-95 with a steal and a layup, and Denver appeared to have a chance when Blackman finally missed. But Roy Tarpley, who had 18 points to go with a personal playoff high 19 rebounds, picked the ball off the glass, and Blackman scored on a drive, picked up the foul from Schayes and converted the three-point play with just a minute left.

Dallas 101, Denver 95.

Ballgame.

For Blackman, it was a sweet moment in more ways than one. Not only were the Mavericks on their way to the Western finals, but this semifinal win, he suggested, should go a long way toward laying to rest the "character" questions that have plagued this team since last spring.

No one among the Mavericks had taken the crash of '87 harder. On the street, at the banquets, at all those charity appearances, the talk had been the same.

What had happened? How could they have choked that way?

"That made for a long summer," he said. "Hopefully, at least some of that is behind us now."

For the Nuggets, in turn, it was a bittersweet ending to a surprisingly good year. Denver won 54 games and a Midwest Division title before getting by Seattle in the first round.

The Nuggets once led this series 2-1, in fact, but Lever and Vincent did not play in the last three games and their absence left too much slack for the others to pick up.

Dunn, who started in Lever's place, made 5-of-7 from the field Thursday night but could manage just 11 points in 32 minutes.

Adams was just 4-of-12 from the field. Mike Evans scored only eight points and made only two of his six shots. Forward Blair Rasmussen hit just four of his 16 attempts.

Hustle kept them close, but talent may finally have caught up. So Dallas goes on to play the Lakers-Jazz winner in the conference final, and Denver calls it a year.

Still, this series was hardly the mismatch it might have been, and Tarpley may have summed it up best.

"Thank God that Fat Lever and Jay Vincent didn't play," the NBA Sixth Man of the Year said.

And, from the Mavericks point of view, that Rolando Blackman did.


Mavericks really longed for matchup with champ Lakers

LOS ANGELES - Logic, you would think, might have dictated a different attitude. Rationally, it would have made more sense for the Dallas Mavericks to have wanted to be at home this evening, rested and ready, willing to let the Utah Jazz worry about opening a Western Conference final on the road.

The Mavericks, after all, had owned Utah at Reunion Arena this season, winning all three games. So why mess with taking the high road to the NBA Finals? Why root for the Lakers to get through? Why pull for a team that had beaten them four of five times during the regular season.?

"They're the World Champions," Dallas forward Mark Aguirre said. "They're the best. If you want to be the best, that's the team you have to beat."

For Dallas, then, this Western Conference final that begins tonight (9:30 CDT) at the Forum is the way it had to be. This is where the fun stopped in 1984 and '86 in the Western semifinals for the Mavericks, and this is where they had to come to see if they really have grown up.

Since last Thursday, when Dallas finally eliminated the game Denver Nuggets, Coach John MacLeod and his staff have been preparing for Los Angeles. After beating the Lakers in three of five meetings a year ago, Dallas fell off badly in the head-to-head matchups this season. LA won four times, and the Mavericks' lone victory (110-101 on March 10 at the Forum) came in a game both Johnson and Michael Cooper sat out with injuries. The Lakers also were one of the few outfits to dominate the NBA's top rebounding team, beating Dallas by an average of nearly six per game on the boards.

That may well be the biggest key to this series. Give LA an edge on the boards and the Lakers will be off and running, a game the Mavericks will not be comfortable playing.

Nor can the Mavericks let Scott loose the way they did during the season. Scott had a terrific year, but Dallas certainly helped him fatten his averages: Against the Mavericks, Scott scored 29.4 points per game on .625 shooting.

As always, the penetration and playmaking of Magic, the inside scoring of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and the full-court offense of Worthy will be problems for the Mavericks.

Just as critical, however, is the question of belief.

Is Dallas, a team that failed so miserably in the playoffs a year ago, really ready to beat the Lakers once, perhaps twice, on their home floor to make it to the NBA Finals? Have the Mavericks really overcome a psychological hurdle, or was Houston too ready to go and Denver too beat-up for Dallas' first two series wins to be taken seriously?

For the Mavericks, those questions about heart and character are ready to surface again. Some of them, however, may have been answered by the fact that to a man, they preferred to be here tonight rather than at Reunion with some outfit called the Jazz.


Mavs' coaches upset by a lackluster effort

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - The really troublesome part about it, John MacLeod was saying, was that his team had been so disgustingly polite about the whole business.

After you, Mr. Worthy.

A pillow, perhaps, Mr. Abdul-Jabbar?

Anything we can do to make your evening more enjoyable, Mr. Scott?

Strange business at The Forum on Monday night, especially odd for a road underdog playing the defending World Champions.

The Dallas Mavericks had talked a good game, certainly, but they played as though they had left it at the hotel. And when Game 1 of this Western Conference final was over, it wasn't so much what the Mavericks had done as it was the wimpy, ambivalent manner in which they had done it.

Offensive execution? Sixteen turnovers led to 25 Lakers points.

Defense? Dallas appeared in need of someone to define the term. No pressure, no getting back to fill up the lane and choke off the fast break.

Intensity? About as much as you'd expect for a December game with the Clippers.

All in all, a real stinker for a team that was supposedly rested and ready for so much more than this. Tuesday morning, then, these and other unpleasant truths were pointed out to the Mavericks as they got ready for tonight's Game 2, and an uncharacteristically agitated coach made sure his message left no room for confusion.

"We just didn't compete," a still-irritated MacLeod said a little later in the day. "There are no alibis, no excuses. If that happens again, we're not going to be around much longer. That's all there is to it.

"If you jog back against this team, they'll hand you your hat. You've got to sprint. That's heart and concentration. We didn't have that. I'm not disappointed about missing shots. I'm disappointed that we didn't work harder or play better."

OK, so we're not talking William Jennings Bryan in the spontaneous oration department. By MacLeod standards, though, this qualifies as a near-Vesuvian outburst, a clear sign that things are getting serious around here.

"Damn right I'm upset," he said. "I should be, too."

In fact, a tougher approach may be just the thing for a Dallas team that has plenty of talent but has shown little killer instinct in getting this far.

MacLeod's biggest challenge tonight isn't to make the Mavericks do something they can't do, but to remind them of the only way they can compete in this series.

Dallas can't run or trade baskets with the Lakers, something that was obvious enough Monday night. Instead, the Mavericks will have to convince themselves it is time to throw some bodies around and turn the LA Freeway of Game 1 into a Game 2 toll road. That's what the Utah Jazz did against the Lakers, and it was good enough to make LA look intriguingly human in a tough seven-game series.

If Dallas is going to follow that example, it will have to begin in the paint, where James Donaldson, Sam Perkins and Roy Tarpley will be asked to make James Worthy and friends pay for their drives along the baseline and down the lane.

Monday night, the Mavericks' principal inside defenders committed just six fouls in 96 minutes of play, and not all of that was due to referees Jack Madden and Joey Crawford calling it loose. Perkins, in particular, was no match for Worthy. To be fair about it, though, he never got much help.

"We have to be more physical," Donaldson conceded. "That's the only way you can knock them off their game. Take them out of their rhythm, make them use most of the 24-second clock. We can't give up so much easy stuff."

No kidding, says Dallas assistant Richie Adubato, the defensive specialist who has spent all season preaching as much.

"When we go to the basket, A.C. Green knocks somebody into the first row of seats," said Adubato, a perfect match for MacLeod on Tuesday in terms of steam rising from the ears. "When he goes in there, it has to be the same way."

No more easy baskets. No more uncontested drives. No more Mr. Nice Guy. The nice, polite little team from Texas is going to get down, if not dirty ... or so they say.

"Sometimes you have to get knocked down before you can get up," Donaldson said. "Now we've got to get up."

That's the plan, at least.

After the Game 1 fizzle, though, you'll forgive the Lakers if they prefer to believe it when they see it.


This time Harper dribbles out clock on happy note

DALLAS - It was a Sunday afternoon. The unblinking eye of CBS was looking in on a delirious Reunion Arena. The Dallas Mavericks were facing the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of an NBA playoff series. And Derek Harper, thinking his club was ahead by one point, mistakenly dribbled out the final seconds of the fourth quarter and the Mavs lost in overtime.

It happened four years ago. But the memory of that day comes back in an instant.

It's been the monkey on Harper's back, the albatross around his neck, the dark cloud that has always hovered over a career on the rise.

He heard all the comments: "Hey, Derek Harper. Aren't you the guy who ... ?"

Yup.

Until a Sunday afternoon four years later, in front of CBS and the world, when Harper shot down the Lakers with a career-high 35 points in Dallas' 118-104 victory in Game 4 of the NBA Western Conference Finals at a delirious Reunion Arena.

Revenge is sweet. Poetic justice is the fairest of them all.

But it wasn't evening an old score with the Lakers as much as evening this best-of-seven series 2-2 that was on Harper's mind.

"We couldn't afford to lose this game and expect to still have a real chance in this series," Harper said. "You go down 3-1 against the Lakers and you've really got your work cut out for you."

Instead, it was the Lakers who had their work cut out in Harper all day long. He hit 12 of 21 shots on the day, including 8 of his first 12, and at least looked like a man who was carrying a grudge.

"It was just a case of them doubling up on Mark (Aguirre) and him managing to do the right thing and find the open man to get him the ball."

In other words, turning Harper loose to nuke the Lakers with ICBMs wasn't in the Mavericks' pregame plan. It was simply an adjustment in a game that is filled with subtle adjustments.

Having been beaten up by Dallas' front line on Friday night, the Lakers were concentrating on double-teaming the ball inside. They swarmed Aguirre every time he touched the ball and tried to keep a couple of bodies on Roy Tarpley any time he just got up off the bench.

The result was an afternoon of open jumpers that Harper buried along with the Lakers' strategy. He started off the game sizzling with 11 points in the first quarter and only proceeded to glow white hot.

"As soon as I hit the first shot, I felt good," Harper said. "I felt like I was in some kind of rhythm and would have a good game. I figured that after the way I've been shooting for most of the playoffs, I was due."

Hoo boy, Harper was only about as due as a year-old credit card statement, having struggled with his outside shot through most of the season. In all of the Mavericks' first 13 playoff games, he had been shooting just .433 from the field and in three games against the Lakers was only .441.

There were questions about how much Harper missed former Coach Dick Motta, who rode him constantly, but was believed to have spurred him on. Perhaps the lighter touch of John MacLeod wasn't getting the most out of Harper.

But with Harper getting the most out of his opportunities in the first half, the Mavs were able to withstand a recommitted effort by LA turned around a substantial Lakers rebounding advantage at halftime. In the third quarter, Harper came out and burned LA for another 14 points, the Mavs took a 31-16 command of the boards and those four-year-old memories were soon going up in smoke.

"To be honest, I don't think about what happened back then until you guys (the media) bring it up," Harper said.

"I don't know if this makes up for that or not. It was a mistake. The important thing about mistakes is that you've got to learn from them. I think that's something that I have done. I am, I think, a pretty tough competitor."

Tough enough on that dark day to stand in the glare of the camera lights and answer every last question and tough enough this time not to shy away from a single shot that the Lakers gave him. He even happily traded 3-pointers and some good-natured jibing with Magic Johnson as the Mavs turned what had looked during the first two games in LA like a waltz across Texas into a real-life Texas death match.

After all, an open 20-footer is nothing when compared to the mistake of your life.

"Yeah, it got annoying to hear about that one play all the time after a while," Harper said. "But I understand why people talked. It's the kind of play that you don't see happen very often.

"The thing is it wasn't a problem for me personally. It wasn't like I was going to go jump off a roof and kill myself. I think a lot of people expected to never hear from me. They thought that one play would ruin my career.

"But I had enough confidence in myself to get by that. I always knew that I would."

And so, on a day four years later, on national TV with the place going wild, he had the ball in his hands with a 14-point lead and the clock ticking down.

"Heh-heh, I dribbled it out again," said Derek Harper. "Ain't that something?"

Ain't it.



No longer wimps, Mavericks more confident against Lakers

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - One by one, the old obstacles, all the things they couldn't do, have been falling by the wayside.

In Round 1 vs. Houston, the Gutless Pig factor - a tag put on the Dallas Mavericks last season after they opened the playoffs with a victory, then failed to win again - was supposed to kick in, especially after the Mavericks lost Game 2 at home.

Gag time? Not quite. Two-wins-at-The-Summit time, and on they went, leaving the dog collars behind for the Rockets.

Luck of the draw, the critics said. No big deal. Round 2 would be different. The Denver Nuggets were too hot and too talented, and soon enough Dallas was on the ropes, down 2-1 after losing Game 3 at home.

How would the Wimps of the Midwest react this time? Three successive wins (aided, in no small part, by the injuries to Denver's Fat Lever and Jay Vincent, of course), and all of a sudden the Western Conference finals were opening out on the Left Coast.

OK, they had had their fun, but enough is enough, right? Two games in LaLaLand, two lopsided losses. Finally, these Mavericks were getting their comeuppance. Make it 4-0 and get them out of here.

Then came Friday and Sunday at Reunion, and two convincing Dallas victories. And now, as they get ready for tonight's Game 5 (10:30, Houston time) at The Forum, the guys who folded down the regular-season stretch and couldn't even defend their Midwest Division title, find themselves just two wins short of the NBA Championship Series.

Monday, Rolando Blackman was going down the list.

An afternoon win, after an 0-4 daytime record during the season. A victory on CBS, where Dallas was 2-10 in national TV games before.

One by one, the old obstacles keep falling. Could The Forum Jinx be next?

"They keep setting up goals in front of us, and we keep getting by them," the Mavericks guard said. "We're a lot more confident than when we went out there before. We know we can beat them now."

In Dallas, at least. The trick now, of course, is to win one in front of Jack Nicholson, the Laker Girls and the rest of the beautiful people.

In their history, the Mavericks are 0-8 in postseason games at The Forum. Now, with this Western Final down to a best-of-three with two of those games scheduled here, that will have to change if Dallas is to advance to that next goal, a first-ever berth in the NBA Finals.

If the Mavericks are going to accomplish that, tonight may be their best shot. Play as they did over the weekend, catch LA while the Lakers still might be mulling over those two embarrassing defeats, and Dallas would have an excellent chance to close out the series Thursday night at Reunion.

Come up with another stinker like the first two here, though - the 15-and 22-point Laker wins) - and it could just as easily be Los Angeles finishing things off on Thursday.

For Dallas, that will be easier said than done, certainly. In terms of attitude, though, this appears to be a slightly different outfit than the one that dragged out here last week.

Last time, Derek Harper suggested, the Mavericks came to see what all this was about. This time, they have come to win.

"That was our first time in the Western Conference finals, and maybe we didn't know what to expect," said Harper, whose 35 points led Dallas in Game 4. "Mentally, we just weren't ready. Now we know we can beat them. We know what it takes."

Coach John MacLeod thinks so, too. That first trip out West, he said, the Mavericks didn't understand the kind of intensity and effort they would need to generate to knock off the defending champions on their home court. That lesson, MacLeod believes, has been learned.

"We're growing," he said with a smile. "We're recognizing situations better, kicking the ball out, finding the open man.

"Our guys are feeling better about themselves as we go along. This has been a long run. You get cracked twice like we did in LA, then you come back with solid performances. This is how you mature. This is how you get respect."

And this is how you get in position to knock off the NBA champions.

"You've got to give them credit," Magic Johnson said. "We didn't play well in the last two games, but they had a lot to do with that.

"They've been here, and they're tougher now. They're not going to make it easy on us."

So once again, it is show time at The Forum. Magic, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and Lord Byron Scott, back in their native habitat. Even after all the fun at Reunion, no one really knows if Dallas is ready for this, not even the Mavericks themselves.

They are beginning to think they are, though. That's something different, something that could make things a good deal more interesting this time around.


Lakers enjoy an easy win for 3-2 lead

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - Michael Cooper, no minor orator himself, had heard all the talk.

The Lakers were looking mortal, the Mavericks' Sam Perkins was saying. Wearing purple and gold didn't make them gods, Mark Aguirre observed. And Dallas' Roy Tarpley had gone so far as to suggest the defending champions were done.

"It's all over now!" Tarpley had shouted to some fans behind the Dallas bench after Sunday's Game 4 in Texas.

Guess again, guys.

This Laker team may, indeed, appear mortal at times, but LA's 119-102 victory over the Mavericks in Game 5 of the Western Conference Final here Tuesday night served as an effective final word: The Lakers may not be the dominating bunch of old, but they clearly are not about to go out without a fight.

"When we have to play well," Cooper was saying before the game, "we usually come through."

Dallas learned that the hard way as LA did what it had to do, holding the home-court advantage to take a 3-2 lead and move within a game of the NBA Championship Series. Game 6 will be Thursday night at Reunion Arena, with the Mavericks needing a win to force a seventh game back here Saturday afternoon.

Even that may not be much of a bargain. The Lakers, who came into the game 8-0 against the Mavericks in playoff games in this building, wasted little time in running the streak to nine. And as if to counter the NBA-CBS conspiracy to keep the outcome a secret - the game began at 10:30 Houston time - the Lakers made sure interested parties could turn in by halftime, when LA already had smoked the Mavericks with 66.7 percent shooting from the field en route to a 64-47 lead. Those who stayed up even later were not rewarded, since it was 92-71 after three periods and didn't get much prettier than that.

Oddly enough, the Mavericks started out as though they were not to be intimidated by the Lakers or The Forum crowd. With Derek Harper getting four points, Dallas broke out to a 10-4 lead before running into trouble.

Once they went cold, though, the Mavericks went all the way.

Going scoreless for 4:13, Dallas watched LA run off the next 15 points to go up 19-10. Byron Scott had seven points of those points, the last two coming on a hard foul by Perkins, who clotheslined the Laker guard as Scott drove the baseline. Scott went down hard and had to be restrained from going after Perkins, but the television replay suggested that Perkins had been going for the ball and accidentally got Scott's head in the process.

Regardless, the Lakers would push the lead out to 24-14 before Dallas would begin to click again. Aguirre, who had eight points in the quarter, brought the Mavericks back to 28-24 with a finger roll off a fast break, but that was as close as Dallas would get. Worthy finished the scoring with a pair of free throws, a situation made all the worse for the Mavericks by the fact that they resulted from Perkins' third foul of the period.

All of that left LA with a 33-27 advantage after one, and Dallas was probably lucky to be that close.

That good fortune would not endure much longer.

The Lakers scored the first four points of the second quarter on their way to a 14-4 run. Worthy had six points in the blitz, and by the time Michael Cooper had converted a steal into a breakaway layup, the Mavericks had aided the Los Angeles cause with four turnovers in five minutes and were staring at a 47-31 deficit.

That appeared to be the one that broke Dallas' already-failing spirit.


Mavs force Game 7 with Lakers/Dallas keeps home-court string alive

DALLAS - This was going to be the clincher, vintage, in-your-face Los Angeles Laker stuff.

Seven seconds left on the clock at Reunion Arena Thursday night. Dallas 104, Lakers 102. James Worthy gets the ball on the left side of the basket and makes his move to the hoop. Showtime at its best. Breeze by James Donaldson, drop the ball in and watch the Dallas Mavericks fold up and go home.

Only a funny thing happened on the way to the NBA Finals.

James Worthy missed.

"We had the shot," he said after Dallas had escaped the din of Reunion with a 105-103 victory, forcing a seventh game in this Western Conference final Saturday afternoon at The Forum. "It didn't fall."

Not that it was quite that simple. There was, after all, the not-so-small matter of 7-foot-2, 278-pound James Donaldson getting in Worthy's way. Donaldson wasn't sure he had gotten a piece of the ball, but his presence certainly dissuaded Worthy from the preferred jam, and it was a fitting turning point in a tense, fiercely contested game that was not to be won with anything fancy.

"I think it's the way of the playoffs," said Laker coach Pat Riley. "If you're going to win this year, it's going to be hard."

Certainly, this one was won the hard way. Even after Worthy's miss, there was more drama left to be played out.

Donaldson, who also grabbed the rebound, was fouled by Byron Scott with the scoreboard clock running down to :01. Donaldson made the first shot, but missed the second. In the midst of that, one second was put back on the clock, giving the Lakers a chance to inbound the ball at midcourt with two seconds left.

LA got the ball into Magic Johnson, who was fouled immediately by Rolando Blackman with one second remaining. The idea at that point, of course, was to make the first shot, miss the second, get the rebound and hope for a follow to force overtime.

Magic, though, forgot one little detail: You've got to hit the rim. When his second shot ricocheted off the top of the backboard, the Mavericks got the ball on the illegal attempt, inbounded to Blackman and held on for a 105-103 win.

As such, this Western Conference final is going the distance - a fitting ending to a series in which each team has had its moments, and all of them at home.

Dallas, which took an 82-80 lead into the final period, ran the advantage to as many as nine (96-87) before the Lakers made a final run. A three-pointer by Michael Cooper brought LA back within 99-98 with 3:35 to play, but the Mavericks got a goaltending call against Kareem Abdul-Jabber that gave Aguirre a basket, then one free throw by Harper gave Dallas a 101-98 edge.

A follow by Aguirre ran the count to 104-100 with 1:25 remaining, but a layup by Worthy cut it to 104-102 just 17 seconds later.

That last minute took forever, from the Dallas point of view. Still, the Mavericks, who got 23 points each from Blackman and Aguirre, escaped, sweeping the three games in Dallas and forcing a seventh game Saturday at The Forum. The Lakers, meanwhile, have been pressed to Game 7 in both the conference semifinal (Utah) and final series, the first time since 1966 they have been extended to seven in consecutive series.

It wasn't for lack of effort. Los Angeles approached this game with an intensity sorely lacking in Games 3 and 4 here. The Lakers led 26-25 after one period, trailed by just three (53-50) at the half and rallied from that nine-point deficit in the fourth. They had come for the kill, to avoid another Game 7, and they were not able to do it.

"We definitely played well for the first time here," Michael Cooper said. "We didn't want to go seven.

"But give Dallas credit; they weren't about to lose on their home court. They were determined to somehow win this game."

As for what might happen Saturday?

Magic scowled and insisted the Lakers would be ready.

"We'll be there," he said. "The Lakers will play."

And Dallas? Who knows? Losses of 15, 22 and 17 in the first three games in Inglewood hardly make this trip a walk in the spring rain, but then no one really expected the Wimps from the Midwest to take this one to the wire, either.

"They're the World Champions," Mavericks Coach John MacLeod said. "We're the team trying to get some respect."

Thursday night, in front of the CBS cameras, the Mavericks probably got some.

Enough, at least, to force Showtime to another encore.


Aguirre plays to win, not to satisfy pride

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - As always, he was a focal point. As usual, the spotlight illuminated the negatives, accentuating the flaws, fueling the controversy that seems to follow him wherever he goes.

This one, in fact, offered a little bit of everything: A hand injury that kept him out for about three minutes early in the fourth period, a time during which the game finally began to slip away. Two points in the final quarter overall. Angry words with Laker reserve Wes Matthews in the final minute, then a testy exchange with one of his best friends, Magic Johnson, as the final seconds and the season ticked away.

Not a pretty picture, but what else is new? Now, Mark Aguirre was the last man to emerge from the shower in the Dallas Mavericks' locker room Saturday, staring blankly at the crowd of reporters who awaited his assessment of the proceedings.

"I have to watch my two best friends play for the World Championship," he said. "Magic already has four or five of them and Isiah (Thomas) doesn't have one, so I guess I'll root for Isiah. But I wouldn't care if Magic won again."

Not now, anyway. What mattered was that Magic won Saturday as the Lakers beat the Mavericks 117-102 in the seventh game of the Western Conference finals. Across the way, in the winning locker room, Magic was answering questions about Detroit after a 24-point, 11-assist, 9-rebound performance. Here, Aguirre was talking about jammed fingers, 11 of 24 shooting, a fourth-quarter disappearance and a few nasty scenes for the network cameras.

"It had to be a frustrating afternoon for him," Magic said sympathetically. "You get that close, and it hurts all the more.

"I know he wanted it bad today ... real bad."

Badly enough that close wasn't much consolation.

"Pride was not what we were looking for today," Aguirre said. "We were looking to win."

When the Mavericks didn't, Aguirre was the principal symbol of defeat. When he left the game with 11:38 to play in the fourth period after jamming two fingers of his left hand while slapping at a loose ball, Dallas was down, 87-79. The Mavericks scored the next four points, but were back down by nine (92-83) by the time he returned. Needing a big performance from someone to get over the hump, Dallas did not get it from its leading scorer, whose layup with 6:17 to play accounted for his only points of the fourth quarter.

Instead, he would finish the day talking about jammed fingers ("Not a factor, no factor at all," he said) and the exchange with Magic ("There wasn't going to be any friendship out there.")

As for his own game? It could have been better, he said, but he had tried his best.

Then the talk turned to what the Mavericks have to do to progress, and Aguirre turned player-personnel director.

"We're a good ballclub, a really good ballclub," he said. "But we have to improve. If we're going to win a championship in the next few years, we may have to go outside the draft. We may have to add a few players."

Or subtract a few.

Mark Aguirre, the controversial fellow who always seems on the verge of being shipped out of town, may have volunteered himself with this one.


Pesky Mavericks finally succumb to Lakers 117-102

INGLEWOOD, Calif. - For 42 minutes, it seemed so possible. Each time they would appear to be on the verge of being run out of game, building and series, they would come back with a big basket, a key defensive play or a tough rebound.

They hung around, these Dallas Mavericks, the guys who had been humiliated here three times before in this Western Conference final. They weren't supposed to, but they did. Forty-two minutes into this pressure-filled seventh game, they were just about where they wanted to be: Down, 100-94, but hardly out.

And now, the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers were beginning to wonder if these people would ever get the idea and give it up, or if the seemingly impossible was about to happen after all.

"Give them credit, they came to play today," LA's James Worthy was saying a little later. "They stayed right there with us. They wouldn't go away."

They would not, indeed, neither quickly or gently. When it was finally over, the scoreboard would read Lakers 117, Mavericks 102, but the 17,505 who held their collective breath until well into the fourth quarter at the Forum on Saturday afternoon knew better than that.

So, it seemed, did the Lakers. And even though it is Los Angeles that will go on to play host to Game 1 of the NBA Finals against Detroit on Tuesday night, the defending champions knew they had been in a fight by the time this one was done.

"They've come a long way this year," Magic Johnson (24 points, 11 assists) said of the losers. "They really showed us something. If they can build on that, they'll definitely be a team to be dealt with."

For 42 minutes Saturday, it appeared the future might be now. The Mavericks, who had been blown out early in Games 1, 2 and 5 here, brought their game with them this time. They were down by just 54-53 at the half and led briefly on several occasions early in the third quarter. They were tied as late as 65-65 with 6:08 remaining in the third period and within six midway through the fourth.

Better ... but not good enough.

"That's the disappointing thing, that we were right there in position to win," said Dallas' Rolando Blackman. "It's not like they overwhelmed us. We had our chances, but it just didn't happen for us."

Funny how that happens when the Lakers are involved. When this one came down to the wire, the team that has been here got the job done against the one that is just beginning to learn how to win. Those are the plays the Mavericks will remember until next training camp, the ones that would all too plainly illustrate the difference and turn the game.

After a 20-footer by Blackman brought about that tie at 65, James Worthy (28 points) slipped free of the defense and scored on a backdoor play on a feed from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. At the other end, Blackman failed to see a wide-open James Donaldson under the basket, electing instead to try a 15-footer that missed.

Johnson grabbed the rebound and whipped an 80-foot pass to Abdul-Jabbar - who conveniently enough had not bothered to retreat on defense. Abdul-Jabbar got a dunk, plus a foul from Mark Aguirre, and the Lakers suddenly had a five-point run.

"That was a big sequence," Mavericks Coach John MacLeod said. "We weren't done by any means, but that opened up a little room for them."

Enough, as it turned out. Dallas would not manage another tie, but that didn't mean the Mavericks wouldn't make things interesting.

After a Michael Cooper three-pointer extended the LA lead to 87-77 with 30 seconds to play in the third, the Mavericks scored the next six points to get back within 87-83 early in the fourth period. Best of all, from the Dallas point of view, is that the Mavericks had rallied without Aguirre, who injured his left hand reaching for a loose ball and left the game at 11:38.

"Right there." And again, it was the Lakers who came back with the big plays:

Mychal Thompson snuck in for a follow shot, running the lead back to six.

Dallas' Roy Tarpley put up an airball from 18 feet.

Cooper made another three-pointer with 9:20 remaining.

Magic came up with a turnover in the paint and went coast-to-coast for a layup.

Lakers 94, Mavericks 83.

Aguirre (24 points) returned with 8:45 remaining, but scored just two points the rest of the way. Still, Dallas flirted with getting back in - and every time the Mavericks threatened, the seventh-game experience gap became all the more apparent.

Finally, a follow by Sam Perkins brought Dallas within 100-94 with 5:34 to play, leaving the Mavericks in perfect position for that big closing run. This is what they had wanted: Hang in, make the last push, squeak out a win and move on to the championship series.

End of fantasy. Worthy dunked off a feed from Thompson, Derek Harper missed a three-point shot, then Abdul-Jabbar tipped in a Thompson miss. The Mavericks' last gasp, in fact, seemed fitting enough: With about 3:30 to go, Roy Tarpley missed a short hook, only to watch as Magic nailed an almost identical shot at the other end.

Nice try, guys, Johnson seemed to be saying, but this is how it's done.

That seemed to be the theme of an interesting afternoon at the Forum. Close, but no cigar. While Tarpley, the early star of the series, was fading to 18 points and just seven rebounds (none in the first half), Worthy, Byron Scott (21 points) and Abdul-Jabbar (17) were coming to the fore.

Blackman, meanwhile, was just 6 of 15 from the field in scoring his 14 points, and Harper made just 5 of his 13 shots on his way to 15 points.

"We'll show up," Johnson had promised.

And the Lakers finally did.

So Los Angeles moves on, but the Mavericks - the team that isn't supposed to have that kind of heart or character - made them earn it before going down hard. For Dallas, that made this one a little bittersweet: No embarrassment, certainly, just a game of little plays made big.

"This was our best game here," said Donaldson, who had 15 points and 14 rebounds despite sitting out most of the fourth period on a questionable decision by MacLeod. "Unfortunately, our best was not good enough."

The lesson in that?

"Next time," Donaldson said, "we'll have to be better."
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Post#77 » by kaima » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:45 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:Dr MJ can be the judge. If he doesn't like the reasoning, he can go ahead and strike it, and I'll just abstain from this season's vote. Otherwise, it stands.


Well, I think there's a real danger in undervaluing the lower slots and, in that, overvaluing undeserving players because a four or five "doesn't matter".

If it would be an outrage to rank Worthy over Jordan, Magic or Bird, it's likewise ridiculous to put him over Dominique, Stockton or Malone.

All those players tore it up in the regular season and playoffs at superstar levels. Worthy? No.
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Post#78 » by ronnymac2 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:53 pm

Wow. This is the best year we've had so far. I don't see it getting tougher than this. I can honestly see nine people having a decent case here. Hell, Ewing and Moses had very good seasons and aren't even in contention. I even am impressed with John Stockton's play this year.

This is one of Drexler's better prime years. Maybe this is the start of his peak even. He wasn't too great against the best defense in the league in the playoffs.

Nique...I never really like him as a player, but I think this season was his finest, and it was tremendous. I don't even see a black mark on him.

Isiah had a tremendous year, and one of the clutchest playoff performers ever had his finest moment ever. He isn't winning many tiebreakers though. If he had won the title and finals mvp, it MIGHT be enough to edge some players.

Barkley was beastly this year. Just a force of nature. Maybe his passing wasn't as developed yet. But he had a crappy team.

Malone was beastly as well. This was the yar that turned Malone into a superstar. Look at the improved ft% from the first two season to this season. Shows what a great work ethic he had. He gave the champs all they could handle even as a young guy.

Olajuwon was the best defensive player this year while being one of the best scorer/finisher types. He completely destroyed a strong Mavs team....a 40/15 elimination game....26 rebounds in another game.....wow.

It's amazing that this might be Larry Bird's best statistical season and I'll only put him at third.

I stand by that Magic Johnson should be number one over Michael Jordan. I don't think Michael was exactly at the level he'd be at a year or two later. This is Magic's peak imo. Magic gets a slight edge as a player, and the tiebreakers are close enough where Jordan can't bridge the gap. Magic dropping 23/16/9 in a game 7 wins vs. the best defense in the league is outstanding.

Just as an aside...Jordan's career arc is cool to watch. You get a flashy superscorer early on. Then he becomes an unreal defensive menace. Then when his game isn't complete enough for some, he plays pg and puts up 32/8/8. 1990 is his peak, where he annhilates one of the best defensive teams ever. In 91, he does the same and conquers Magic Johnson. 92, he faces the one sg who could stand up to him and dominates him (46 points in a crucial game 5 is maybe Jordan's most underrated game). He takes down Barkley with a 41 ppg finals. Then he does his record thing in 96. Has the flu game in 97. Has his most impressive game ever in 98, scoring half his team's points when CHI's offense is dying to win the finals. He's always adding an element to his legacy.

The four and five spots are more difficult for me than anything else. A lot of these players are going through developmental stages. That is where I see Malone, Barkley, and Drexler. Nique at his peak, Isiah at his finest, Olajuwon in a sad team state yet performing like a freaky force of nature while still developing.

Malone over Barkley. It is unfair because Charles wasn't able to make it to the playoffs, but it really is this close for me. Drexler isn't as good as Hakeem/Barkley/Malone. If only Isiah had won the title, that tiebreaker might get him in. He's eliminated. Hakeem over Malone. Both were outstanding. I think Dream is a bit further along though.

Can Nique do it? I actually want to put him here. This year has made me like him as a player. I actually watched a game of his, and he really is like Melo ito effectiveness- and I'm a Melo fan.

He's further along than Malone ito where he's at...but Karl Malone was wasting the the champs. He brought it to 7 games. He's a better defender than Nique, a better rebounder, and Nique has no edge as a playmaker really. He is a better scorer at this stage though. And Nique was an all right defender (average) and good rebounder at his position. And he went up against Bird and passed the test of greatness for me. He said "**** it....it's on me....give me the ball."

Some other posters here are giving Nique his due this year, too. I want to think on this a little more. Magic/Jordan/Bird/Hakeem is likely my top four.
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Post#79 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:18 pm

Just as an aside

Avg PPG 1988: 108.2
Avg PPG 2010: 100.4

Every team but two would have ranked top 5 in ppg this year.
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Post#80 » by shawngoat23 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:07 pm

1. Magic Johnson
2. Michael Jordan
3. Larry Bird
4. Charles Barkley
5. Dominique Wilkins

HM: Hakeem Olajuwon, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Patrick Ewing

I believe that Michael Jordan was the most outstanding player this year, playing phenomenally on both ends of the court, and in the process, being the first player to capture both the MVP and DPOY award, both of which were well deserved. He took a young Bulls team with Oakley and rookie Pippen and Grant to an incredible 50 wins before falling in the ECF. His stats are just absolutely eye-popping and speak for themselves.

However, when it comes to the retro POY, I've weighed playoff success pretty heavily, and moreover, been more results oriented than most when it comes to the top positions. Magic Johnson didn't have the amazing stats that Jordan brought to the table, nor was he as impactful on the defensive end, but I think he brought more in terms of intangibles. Granted, he had an amazing supporting cast, but I think they benefitted from his presence as much as he did from theirs. So he gets my #1 spot in a close call, although this might be subject to change.

This was actually probably Larry Bird's best season statistically, although I wouldn't consider this his prime considering that he had less team success (with reduced depth and key players getting old or suffering from injury). It's not exactly fair to dock him, but on the other hand, he doesn't measure up to Magic or Jordan this year. But he's firmly entrenched in the #3 spot.

My criteria for the lower spots involves more outstanding individual performance and weighs team success less heavily. Thus, you can say my criteria are not necessarily consistent within a given year moving from top to bottom, but on the other hand, I've been pretty consistent about using the criteria from year to year.

I'm not sold on anything for the #4 or #5 spots. Each of the players performed extremely well, but have their flaws. I ended up going with Barkley at #4 because I think he was simply the most dangerous player of the bunch on a flawed team that he wasn't able to carry to the playoffs. But he gets a lot of respect from MVP voters at the time, and his advanced statistics are consistent with suggesting such impact, so I'll defer to them here.

Dominique gets my #5 spot. He gets a reputation for being more flash than substance and somewhat of a volume scorer that doesn't bring much to the table, but that Hawks team simply wouldn't compete without him (although they have some nice surrounding pieces, they'd be missing that explosive scorer). And I give him lots of props for that duel against Larry Bird. The advanced stats would suggest that some of the other candidates had better seasons, but when I ask myself "who led their team to a better regular season and put their team in a better position to contend for a championship?" and "who brought the most intangibles this year?", I found that Dominique separated himself from everyone but Isiah. But I didn't feel Isiah was dominant enough from start to finish this year to warrant a top 5 nod.

Honorable mentions to the guys mentioned above. As for Hakeem, he turned in a solid regular season and played like a beast for 4 games in the playoffs, but in the end, that's just a four-game sample for me because despite his excellence, that really wasn't a big stage because it didn't really put the Rockets in a position to do anything meaningful. So it doesn't catapult him over other candidates with better regular season resumes. The Jazz had a solid season, but this was probably one of their deeper seasons in the Malone/Stockton era. I don't see the love for Malone because I'm not convinced he was significantly better than Stockton this year (certainly not more than #1a and #1b), and I don't think Stockton deserves a top 5 nod this year despite his incredible advanced stats. Ewing took a team into the playoffs, but his Knicks finished with only 2 wins more than the Sixers, and I don't feel he really deserves a nod over Barkley in terms of impact. And Isiah had arguably the most memorable performance of the season, but in the end, his excellence in a losing effort--despite being on a big stage--was only one game and not enough for him to earn top 5 recognition.
penbeast0 wrote:Yes, he did. And as a mod, I can't even put him on ignore . . . sigh.

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