Can we shut the book on the Williams/Paul debate?

[dogrufus]

It's not a matter of who is better, simply because the book will never be shut. Personally, I prefer Williams. A lot of the time, it's a concept of systems. Williams fits Utah's system and offensive philosophy. Paul fits New Orlean's system. He dictates it. At least we can agree that you can't lose with either player.

So would you care to explain why you'd take Williams over a player who is a significantly better shooter, playmaker, defender, and even rebounder? And who is worse than Williams at literally NOTHING?

Sure both of them fit their systems. Paul fits his better and is a more productive player. The difference isn't even that small. It's like arguing Joe Johnson is better than Kobe.

[Bradford]

Sure both of them fit their systems. Paul fits his better and is a more productive player. The difference isn't even that small. It's like arguing Joe Johnson is better than Kobe.

lol

[dogrufus]

Sure both of them fit their systems. Paul fits his better and is a more productive player. The difference isn't even that small. It's like arguing Joe Johnson is better than Kobe.

lol

Joe Johnson PER: 16.3
Kobe PER: 23.7

Difference: 7.4


Chris Paul PER: 27.7
Deron Williams PER: 20.7

Difference: 7.0

Chris Paul is better than Deron by about the same amount that Kobe is better than Joe Johnson.

If you can't make a better argument than "lol" when you've been owned hard multiple times, why post at all?

[Bradford]

Sure both of them fit their systems. Paul fits his better and is a more productive player. The difference isn't even that small. It's like arguing Joe Johnson is better than Kobe.

lol

Joe Johnson PER: 16.3
Kobe PER: 23.7

Difference: 7.4


Chris Paul PER: 27.7
Deron Williams PER: 20.7

Difference: 7.0

Chris Paul is better than Deron by about the same amount that Kobe is better than Joe Johnson.

If you can't make a better argument than "lol" when you've been owned hard multiple times, why post at all?

PER? Basketball isn't played with "PER's".

[Andrewchos]

Joe Johnson is a better passer.

and PER is a very valuable stat/tool often revealing good player's from "media players"

so far this year, CP3>Deron.

[dogrufus]

Still waiting for the first point of any substance from Bradford.

Every post is pure bias and ignorance.

[NO-KG-AI]

I just want to know what part of Utah's system Paul can't execute.

[Bradford]

See the game tonight?

Have a good night.

[J~Rush]

It's obvious Bradford is just trolling. Don't feed the trolls people.

[farzi]

Nah it's been his place to overrate everyone on the Jazz for a few years. I rarely seem him post, but when he does it's memorable because it's SO bad

[stacey_is_king]

See the game tonight?

Have a good night.

I agree. A couple more games like that, and maybe Deron will be able to catch up to New Orleans. Probably not, though.

[Bradford]

Kobe shut the book tonight saying Deron is the best.

[dogrufus]

Kobe shut the book tonight saying Deron is the best.

Paul still has better stats, less talented teammates, and and a better team record. You suck at posting.

[Bradford]

Kobe shut the book tonight saying Deron is the best.

Paul still has better stats, less talented teammates, and and a better team record. You suck at posting.

lol

[dogrufus]

lol

You're a joke

[Ru_Paul]

Not a flame war thread. Legitimate question. Deron Williams ran circles around CP3 tonight, pretty much having his way with him for 26 points, 11 assists, 5 steals, and another blowout victory.

So who is better? Do I just wear thick homer goggles?

Thanks.

It doesn't matter how they play in the regular season. It matters how they play in the playoffs. And neither has done squat in the playoffs.

[toodles23]

You guys realize Bradford thinks Karl Malone is better than Duncan, right? He's a huge homer.

[Lionel Messi]

Yes, CP3 is better. Shut the book already.

[dogrufus]

You guys realize Bradford thinks Karl Malone is better than Duncan, right? He's a huge homer.

Malone has a better case vs. Duncan than Williams does vs. Paul. Malone was at least better than Duncan at some things.

But yeah, Bradford has less credibility than Eddy Curry saying his diet starts tomorrow.

[TeaM DimE]

I posted this at another forum because me and a friend are having the exact same debate...


At the end of the day, in my mind it comes down to this. Paul puts up amaizing stats, im not denying that, his stats are better then Derons, But not by much at all. And if you dont think The systems they run has something to do with it then your flat out wrong.

So with that being Said i conciede that Paul's stats are better then Derons, But really not by much. One rebound a game, one assist a game and a couple of more steals. Pauls' career stats are 19, 10 and 4, and Derons are 16, 9 and 3. You can break it down even further then that but they are all very close.

But When you look at their Team sucuss Deron Flat out rapes CP3, ive said it a million times but ill say it again, 5 playoff appearances to 1, WCF trip for the Jazz, one playoff series win for the Hornets.

Head to Head its not even close again. Deron has much better stats, shoots a career % with Paul guarding him and his team is 14-4 career vs Paul.

These last two points you refuse to acknowledge when determining who is a better player. I personally think it is important when judging these two players. If you were to judge the two best QB's in football you would certanly take into consideration that QB A has dominated QB B in head to head match ups.

So in your mind, a couple of extra rebounds, steals and points >>>>>>> Team Success and the Ability to lead your team to wins and playoff victories. The word lead is very important, considering that is pretty much a Point Guards job.

Also this is a great article about the debate...Heres a paragraph from that article

http://dimemag.com/2010/11/whos-better-deron-williams-or-chris-paul/

"Finally, as the “leader” of a team’s on-court performance, what is most often described as a point guard’s most important quality? The ability to make their teammates better. And win. I’m sure you may have heard, but in head-to-head match-ups over the course of their career, Williams has destroyed Paul. In 18 career games against the Hornets with Williams running the show, the Jazz are 14-4. That’s not some stat put together over a small sample size. That is five years of basketball, with different players and situations. I don’t even really need to mention that when they met in college, Williams’ Illinois team spanked Paul and his Wake Forest Demon Deacons. Williams has led Utah to the playoffs every year since his rookie season and has been to the Western Conference Finals. Paul has only one career playoff series win under his belt."