Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe

kasino · Post #61 » by **kasino** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:00 pm

and how old was Shaq
this wouldn't be 2nd fiddle Shaq.
Its your full blown superheo playing Superman.
idk wat yall think would happen but i see the ball going to a back to the basket player that demands touches who isn't paired with a relatively good catch and shoot 2nd option like Kobe but a ball dominant(not that its bad his ballhandling is wat makes him) slasher in Wade.

Now if they play like Wade is the 1st option(they wouldn't) yea I could totally see it working
but Wade would eventually be Wade and if you want him productive he gets the ball.

Don't care about the non basketball stuff anymore. Wonderboy could mean a # of things but I do kno their styles of play don't mesh wit Shaq in his prime. Shaq need a pg not another scorer, in my humble opinion.

kasino with a lowercase k....just saying

jaypo · Post #62 » by **jaypo** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:11 pm

kasino with a lowercase k: In 06, Shaq was 34. Past his prime. And still putting up #'s. This WAS 2nd fiddle Shaq. By his own admission, it was Wade's team.
Wade would flourish playing next to prime Shaq the same way Penny and Kobe did. It helped develop their games, not hurt it. Wade knows how to play off the ball better than the other 2, IMO. Look at how the world was falling apart, but when he and James figured out how to play with each other on the court, they went on a 12 game streak. And that was after only a handful of games together. I'm sure if they were paired for 8, they'd have time to figure it out! That's what great players do.

kasino · Post #63 » by **kasino** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:46 pm

Sorry it would be 2nd fiddle Shaq , if u look on another page I said something like "the ball goes to Shaq", typo ya kno......thanks for the caps "WAS" lol
So with a 20 FGA per game Shaq its his team

Wade plays better off the ball than Kobe "Jumpshot" Bryant
many things Wade does better than Kobe off the ball isn't one of them(many is stretching it too)

and Wade and Lebron have been playing very well(dynasty in the making)
But don't see how Lebron should be compared to a back to the basket center without a midrange but I guess your proving the off the ball ability or something.
they get ALOT of fastbreak points possible with Shaq but nowhere as frequent
and still with Lebron the lane is clear

Vincent 666 · Post #64 » by **Vincent 666** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:55 pm

Kobe and Duncan

i dont think its in Duncan personality to threaten not play defense and rebound the ball if he doesnt get enough shots.

Maybe that explains Shaqs poor defensive showing in the 04 finals.

therealbig3 · Post #65 » by **therealbig3** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:31 am

A couple fo things- Shaq and TD rarely went head to head in the playoffs. In 99 and 2000, Shaq went mainly head to head with DRob. Duncan went at it with the immortal......AC Green at 90 years old. In the latter years, Shaq went head to head with Rasho, Rose, Willis, etc. Duncan went at it with Horry, Samaki Walker, and Slava. So no, they never, outside of a few individual trips downcourt, went head to head.

So basically, other than maybe D-Rob (who was older and a shell of himself), they both went against the other team's scrub big men. It's still a fair comparison to look at their numbers, because it proves that they were both putting up about the same production...it's to show that a prime Shaq isn't heads and shoulders above a prime Duncan, in fact, they were very close.

Andrewchos · Post #66 » by **Andrewchos** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:50 am

I'd say Prime Shaq was significantly better then Prime Duncan, and Prime Wade has about the same oncourt impact as Prime Kobe so its really an easy decision for me to pick Prime Shaq/Wade. For the people who wish to pretend that Shaq has some sort of terrible destructive personality even though he played 99% of his best years for only 2-3 teams and got along with 99% of the players and staff during his tenures there, that's fine but realize your opinions don't matchup with what actually happened.

bl2k · Post #67 » by **bl2k** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:22 am

Andrewchos wrote:I'd say Prime Shaq was significantly better then Prime Duncan, and Prime Wade has about the same oncourt impact as Prime Kobe so its really an easy decision for me to pick Prime Shaq/Wade. For the people who wish to pretend that Shaq has some sort of terrible destructive personality even though he played 99% of his best years for only 2-3 teams and got along with 99% of the players and staff during his tenures there, that's fine but realize your opinions don't matchup with what actually happened.

Shaq left on bad terms with every one of those teams and yes shaq arguing with a star guard would be something to worry about since he's had tension with penny kobe and shaq

Andrewchos · Post #68 » by **Andrewchos** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:26 am

Kobe is honestly the only person Shaq ever really had a problem getting along with, whatever small amount of tension he supposedly had with Penny was not the reason he left Orlando and Penny himself said he wished Shaq had stayed on the team because he didn't realize just how much easier he made it for him until after he left. Shaq only had 2 years with Wade before his body broke down and he became a Shell of himself but during those 2 years they made the ECF and Won a Ring.

Wade and Shaq also got along very well, most of the petty trash talking which was overblown by the media occurred after Shaq had already departed from south beach.

Again the facts speak for themselves, he spent 99% of his good years on only 2 franchises and left on good terms with all but a handful of people. Give Shaq a small amount of talent and your basically heading for the Finals.. its just an easy choice.

Shaq/Wade > Kube/Duncan.

Wavy Q · Post #69 » by **Wavy Q** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:30 am

will you ever stop trying to jam your opinion down peoples throats?

Andrewchos · Post #70 » by **Andrewchos** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:33 am

Fact's, not opinions.

You may prefer allowing certain history-revisers to repeatably spam the same old trash again and again but I don't.

Quincy · Post #71 » by **Quincy** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:03 am

Look at the success Kobe/Gasol have had. Duncan is far better than Pau.

bl2k · Post #72 » by **bl2k** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:12 am

Andrewchos wrote:Kobe is honestly the only person Shaq ever really had a problem getting along with, whatever small amount of tension he supposedly had with Penny was not the reason he left Orlando and Penny himself said he wished Shaq had stayed on the team because he didn't realize just how much easier he made it for him until after he left. Shaq only had 2 years with Wade before his body broke down and he became a Shell of himself but during those 2 years they made the ECF and Won a Ring.

Wade and Shaq also got along very well, most of the petty trash talking which was overblown by the media occurred after Shaq had already departed from south beach.

Again the facts speak for themselves, he spent 99% of his good years on only 2 franchises and left on good terms with all but a handful of people. Give Shaq a small amount of talent and your basically heading for the Finals.. its just an easy choice.

Shaq/Wade > Kube/Duncan.

Your repeating the same bull, Shaq has shown that if there is a star guard playing with him, he may, MAY have issues with them. Considering he's only won titles with star guards it's not that crazy to suggest. That's not even mentioning his conditioning and work ethic. I would go with Duncan/Kobe off of work ethic alone.

Andrewchos · Post #73 » by **Andrewchos** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:23 am

His work ethic was only questionable for maybe 1-2 years towards the very end of his Prime, so no that most certainly isn't an issue, and his desire to perform, dominate and win games is just as great as Jordan/Bird or any other all time great.

The only guard he ever truly had issues with was Bryant, and it was more Bryants fault because he couldn't control his massive destructive Ego despite the fact that it was hampering the teams success.

Since Shaq never had issues with Wade or Penny when he was actually playing with them its ignorant to assume that he would have issues with either of them like he had with Bryant, Wade especially since he only got 2 years of the real Shaq before he degraded.

Most guards would realize how lucky they are to be playing with the best player/center in the league and realize if they don't act like punks they will be able to win multiple championships together.

Penny admitted how lucky he was to have Shaq and how he missed him on the team after he left, and Wade had Zero success after Shaq left the team after basically making the finals two years in a row with a past his prime version of the big fella. Dont forget how the Lakers missed the playoffs completely the year after Shaq left and then got kicked out in the first round by phoenix the following year despite having a "Prime Bryant"

ItsMillerTime · Post #74 » by **ItsMillerTime** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:05 am

TD/Kobe by far. With Shaq/Wade, you are looking at a 15-35 win team every season. Shaq needs about 5 more HOFers on his team to compete for a title and carry him. Kobe and Duncan could play with eighth graders and win a ship. Remeber, Shaq and Wade put up one of the worst seasons in NBA history, and Shaq has already destroyed the Magic, Suns, Heat, and Cavs chances of winning rings. Kobe and TD have 8 rings as the number 1 option combined. Shaq and Wade have 2..... one of the most lopsided comparisions ive seen on this board

Andrewchos · Post #75 » by **Andrewchos** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:14 am

lol, I wonder who's Troll account that is.

ChuckTheD · Post #76 » by **ChuckTheD** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:15 am

ItsMillerTime wrote:TD/Kobe by far. With Shaq/Wade, you are looking at a 15-35 win team every season. Shaq needs about 5 more HOFers on his team to compete for a title and carry him. Kobe and Duncan could play with eighth graders and win a ship. Remeber, Shaq and Wade put up one of the worst seasons in NBA history, and Shaq has already destroyed the Magic, Suns, Heat, and Cavs chances of winning rings. Kobe and TD have 8 rings as the number 1 option combined. Shaq and Wade have 2..... one of the most lopsided comparisions ive seen on this board

Nope. I'm on your side, but just simply no.

NYK 455 · Post #77 » by **NYK 455** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:19 am

Shaq is the best player here, followed by Duncan, then Kobe/Wade. I'd take Shaq/Wade. More dominant, and won a ring even with post prime Shaq.

LascelleL · Post #78 » by **LascelleL** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:45 am

Im probably the biggest Shaq fan on this site...but Wade can't hold a candle to Shaq Duncan or Kobe.....TD/Bryant

Chosen01 · Post #79 » by **Chosen01** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:48 am

ItsMillerTime wrote:TD/Kobe by far. With Shaq/Wade, you are looking at a 15-35 win team every season. Shaq needs about 5 more HOFers on his team to compete for a title and carry him. Kobe and Duncan could play with eighth graders and win a ship. Remeber, Shaq and Wade put up one of the worst seasons in NBA history, and Shaq has already destroyed the Magic, Suns, Heat, and Cavs chances of winning rings. Kobe and TD have 8 rings as the number 1 option combined. Shaq and Wade have 2..... one of the most lopsided comparisions ive seen on this board

Not sure if serious? Wade was injured Shaq gave up and was out of shape. Heat tanked that season.

05 Heat almost got to the finals and potential win a title had Wade not got a rib injury..

Andrewchos · Post #80 » by **Andrewchos** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:50 am

Dude its a Troll account, no reason to respond to him.

@Lascelle and those who don't believe Wade is on Bryants level. Wade already has the performances to prove that he is just as valuable as Bryant is/was on the court. His 09 regular season is better then any of Bryants and Wades 06 Post season is better then any of Bryants. What exactly makes you believe Bryant has a greater impact on the court when Wade has already proven he can impact a game just as much or even more then Prime Kobe could.

The only difference between them is Ring's and Wade still has a number of year's to collect those and catchup to Kobe, not even mentioning the fact that he is only 1 Final's MVP behind Bryant.

If Wade plays on good teams like Kobe has had for the rest of his career and doesn't get injured I could very easily see him retiring just behind or even just ahead of Bryant on the All-Time list.