Peaks project update: #3

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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#61 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:11 pm

Mavericksfan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Mavericksfan wrote:This seems kinda suspect. Why was it left up longer than the original deadline? Especially after you made a point to mention the initial topic went on for too long

We've gotten 5 ballots in since what should've been the deadline. I think his decision to delay is a good one that'll make the order on this list closer to the PC board consensus.


The longer each vote takes the longer the overall project will take. That’ll lead to more people dropping out and the list being less accurate.

I’m just not a fan of inconsistency. Does that mean anytime a vote is close we’ll be extending the voting period?


The point is that more often than not there won't be a lot of votes after 48 hours, and there will be as much people that will ask to extend the voting time as there are that think that 3 days is too much
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#62 » by JoeMalburg » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:12 pm

lebron3-14-3 wrote:
Mavericksfan wrote:This seems kinda suspect. Why was it left up longer than the original deadline? Especially after you made a point to mention the initial topic went on for too long


Suspect in what? Have you noticed that wilt was winning at the "original deadline" and I voted wilt at the first place? The point is to get as clear of a result as possible


For me, I just enjoy the discussion, could care less about the result s and really appreciated you doing this.

That said, there has been a lot of distractions related to process and procedure and it is probably impacting participation.

I say you just make the rules hard and fast. I support whatever choice you make. Let's put a set time limit on each round and stick to it. Clarify how voting works and post the results in totality at the end of each thread.

Thanks again!
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#63 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:37 pm

JoeMalburg wrote:
lebron3-14-3 wrote:
Mavericksfan wrote:This seems kinda suspect. Why was it left up longer than the original deadline? Especially after you made a point to mention the initial topic went on for too long


Suspect in what? Have you noticed that wilt was winning at the "original deadline" and I voted wilt at the first place? The point is to get as clear of a result as possible


For me, I just enjoy the discussion, could care less about the result s and really appreciated you doing this.

That said, there has been a lot of distractions related to process and procedure and it is probably impacting participation.

I say you just make the rules hard and fast. I support whatever choice you make. Let's put a set time limit on each round and stick to it. Clarify how voting works and post the results in totality at the end of each thread.

Thanks again!


Love you :oops:
Anyway the partecipation is not bad, the defensive project struggled more and the POTY received very few votes at the end of the deadline, so that we (they) were forced to set a completely different deadline. It's just that the PC board isn't that popular at the moment

(And tbh I always think of keeping it up for like 2 and a half days, but then I realize that at the end of the two days, the following 10-15 hours coincide to the time when most of you guys are asleep or it's the morning when most people aren't bothering to log in to real gm, since I live in a completely different time zone.) Anyway yeah, we'll set the time limit before opening the next.
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#64 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:50 pm

(Number + # stands for, the post # with a ballot that has either shaq 00 or Wilt 67 as one of the 3 choices)

2# Wilt 4,5, Shaq 3, 4# Wilt 9, Shaq 6, #5 Wilt 9, Shaq 10,5, #6 Wilt 12, Shaq 12,5, #7 Wilt 15, Shaq 17, #19 Wilt 17, Shaq 17, #25 Wilt 17, Shaq 21,5, #26 Wilt 21,5, Shaq 24,5, #29 Wilt 26, Shaq 26,5, #33 Wilt 26, Shaq 28,5, #35 Wilt 30,5, Shaq 31,5, #38 Wilt 32,5, Shaq 31,5, #39 Wilt 37, Shaq 33,5, #42 Wilt 41,5, Shaq 33,5, (THIS WAS THE "ORIGINAL DEADLINE") #47 Wilt 43,5, Shaq 38, #48 Wilt 45,5, Shaq 42,5, #50 Wilt 50, Shaq 45,5, #53 Wilt 53, Shaq 50.

Wilt has the lead since the post number 38, he had the lead at the 48 hours mark and he has it now. Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67 wins the third spot.
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#65 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:24 pm

Mavericksfan wrote: .


I don't wanna single you out, nor I want to move the focus from the basketball discussion to the "contorversy", but, since it's not the first time that I feel "accused" as to say, and since the votings are closed, I think it's time to throw this out of the way.

I'm not saying that anybody should feel grateful to me for running the project, I mean it's just a RealGm project, who in the world feels grateful, or from my part, would expect "recognition" for something like that, in fact, it's ridicolous to even type that, but:

The reason why I'm running the project is that nobody wants or has the time to run it (more than fairly so), (plus I figured that if we didn't do it now we wouldn't do it for a bit, since Summer 2020 is the scheduled TOP 100 season,) same goes for the defensive project (which the great trex ended up directing it more than me but that's another story) or any other project who I could have in mind or have proposed.
If I could just come up with project ideas (in the sense of board voting projects) and just ask somebody to run them, I wouldn't even think about trying to run them myself. I don't have the time, I'm not fast at writing in another language etc. I'm not doing these projects for myself, that's for sure.

I'm not biased in any way. At the start, I completely left the voting system up to the guys who came up with the better ideas (unfortunately there were some misunderstandings on my part at the start of the project but I quickly fixed it), if I disregarded their opinions and just went with the 2015 method (add up all the points given to different seasons of the same player) lebron (who I clearly root for) would have doubled shaq's points and would have finished closer to MJ, but I didn't. Lebron was winning at the 48 hours (at least counting my vote, I don't remember if I got it in in the first 48 hours) but I kept the thread up. I voted for Wilt in this one, and you said it was suspect even tho I could have just let him win at the 48 hours mark. 3 times out of 3, I picked the decision that went against the guys I preferred. Again, I don't care personally, but just understand that no, nobody is biased, nobody is doing anything illecit, nobody cares that much. Again, we went 50 threads deep (10 per position) in the defensive project and everything was fine.

Again, as far as shaq goes, another reason for keeping the thread up is that, having been on this forum for many years (started lurking way before my signing date), I feel like Shaq having the #4 best peak ever doesn't really resemble the consensus of this place, so it was only right that we got as much votes as possible in to avoid a response influenced by the low sample size.

To end it, I already said that my rant at the start of the #1 thread was a mistake on my part, but yeah, at the same time, a) Ballerhogger's vote 1)Kareem 197(?) 2) Shaq 00 3) Kobe 06 was crazy, plus he's a known kobe stan, laker stan etc, and stannism is the worst thing that can happen to these threads, and B) It's just crazy that I felt like allowing that vote even in the #2 and #3 thread just to avoid the criticism, we are on real gm, voting members, voting requirements, explaination needed etc have always been a real gm thing, and that vote was, not only absurd, but just totally oblivious to any type of discussion going on in those threads. Again I was wrong for saying that thing about ballots without lebron in the first 3, but I was saying it half joking, plus yeah, Lebron is Lebron, so you know that many votes would will be biased by a pro or anti lebron sentiment, but that wasn't the right way to eliminate that bias so yeah, I was wrong.

So in the end: This is the project, stop worrying about suspects, rules etc, this thing has started more than a week ago, like, this is the project, we are not figuring out if we can do it or not, this is it, if there's something to fix it's only right that one can speak his mind but stop with this scepticism. It's just the peaks project.
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#66 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:28 pm

Before opening the next thread. We should define the time limit from now on. Basically I feel like 48 is on the low side and 72 is just too much.
Downsides of 72 (takes too much, people don't have the time to partecipate forever and even forget that there's a project going on, while doing it every two days keeps you in the pace)
Downsides of 48 (a bit less votes plus posts will be more voting than discussion oriented).

I would propose like 60, but starting from a time that makes those 12 hours meaningful in the US timezone.
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#67 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:34 pm

But then again. I can guarantee that shaq 00 will win in a sweep. Is there a reason to keep it up as long as some other threads. I think that some freedom is better.
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#68 » by Mavericksfan » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:42 pm

lebron3-14-3 wrote:Before opening the next thread. We should define the time limit from now on. Basically I feel like 48 is on the low side and 72 is just too much.
Downsides of 72 (takes too much, people don't have the time to partecipate forever and even forget that there's a project going on, while doing it every two days keeps you in the pace)
Downsides of 48 (a bit less votes plus posts will be more voting than discussion oriented).

I would propose like 60, but starting from a time that makes those 12 hours meaningful in the US timezone


Sorry if I offended you but my concern was more so that you made a point in the OP to talk about responding within the timeframe. I just dont like the idea of extending deadlines to give certain players more time to win because you believe the forum would want that player to win.

If you’re gonna extend deadlines for close votes that’s cool. But it shouldnt be done just to help certain players.

All I want is consistency because if each vote is determined on a case by case basis then the list would be pointless imo.
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#69 » by Gibson22 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:48 pm

Mavericksfan wrote:
lebron3-14-3 wrote:Before opening the next thread. We should define the time limit from now on. Basically I feel like 48 is on the low side and 72 is just too much.
Downsides of 72 (takes too much, people don't have the time to partecipate forever and even forget that there's a project going on, while doing it every two days keeps you in the pace)
Downsides of 48 (a bit less votes plus posts will be more voting than discussion oriented).

I would propose like 60, but starting from a time that makes those 12 hours meaningful in the US timezone


Sorry if I offended you but my concern was more so that you made a point in the OP to talk about responding within the timeframe. I just dont like the idea of extending deadlines to give certain players more time to win because you believe the forum would want that player to win.

If you’re gonna extend deadlines for close votes that’s cool. But it shouldnt be done just to help certain players.

All I want is consistency because if each vote is determined on a case by case basis then the list would be pointless imo.


No no you didn't offend me, I'm sorry that I responded to your post in particular, it was just the last one of that genre. Again, I'm happy that the guy I voted #1 was in the lead at the 48 hours mark so that It can't seem like I extend the deadlines or not based on who I want to win. It's all cool :nod:
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Re: Peaks project update: #3 

Post#70 » by Colbinii » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:18 pm

lebron3-14-3 wrote:Before opening the next thread. We should define the time limit from now on. Basically I feel like 48 is on the low side and 72 is just too much.
Downsides of 72 (takes too much, people don't have the time to partecipate forever and even forget that there's a project going on, while doing it every two days keeps you in the pace)
Downsides of 48 (a bit less votes plus posts will be more voting than discussion oriented).

I would propose like 60, but starting from a time that makes those 12 hours meaningful in the US timezone.


Stop asking us and pick. You are running the project and nobody cares about how long we have.

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