Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron

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Best playoffs run between MJ and Lebron

MJ 91
19
40%
Lebron 16
5
10%
MJ 92
2
4%
Lebron 17
4
8%
MJ 93
2
4%
Lebron 18
11
23%
MJ 90
0
No votes
Lebron 20
0
No votes
Lebron 09
5
10%
other
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 48

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Re: Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron 

Post#61 » by colts18 » Tue Nov 3, 2020 11:22 pm

70sFan wrote:
freethedevil wrote:from a 32 game sample spanning from 08-10 and the star of thw 2011 season. Like i literally said.

You know that 2009 team is much different than 2008, 2010 and 2011 right?


So true. 6 of the 7 games that LeBron missed in 2008 was before their major trade. Here were the players that started those games

Big Z
Devin Brown
Gooden
Gibson
Pavlovic
Shannon Brown
Hughes
Newble

Only 3 of those 8 players were even on the 2009 Cavs roster. 2 of 3 (Pavlovic, Gibson) were barely in the rotation against the Magic (both averaged under 12 MPG in the series).

The other game that LeBron missed in 2008 was the last game of the season, a meaningless game.

So none of those 7 2008 Cavs games without LeBron is relevant to the 2009 Cavs because the roster was different. We also know that the only 2009 Cavs game LeBron missed was the last game of the season, which was also not indicative of the 2009 Cavs cast because of who played in that game.

That only leaves with the 6 games LeBron missed in 2010. Who started those games?

Hickson 6 games
Jameson 5 games
Parker 5 games
Jawad Williams 5 games
Mo Williams 4 games
Moon 2 games
West 2 games
Powe 1 Game

A Total of 6 out of those 30 starting positions (West and Williams) were even on the 2009 Cavs playoff roster. That means 4 out of the 5 starting spots were from players who weren't on the 2009 team. Once again, irrelevant to the 2009 Cavs supporting cast.

Conclusion: None of the 2008 Cavs games had a roster that looked like the 2009 Cavs playoff roster. Neither did the 2010 Cavs. I won't even get into the 2011 Cavs. None of those missed games that LeBron missed can tell us about the 2009 Cavs roster.
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Re: Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron 

Post#62 » by Lost92Bricks » Wed Nov 4, 2020 1:03 am

No-more-rings wrote:91 Jordan
90 Jordan
12 Lebron
09 Lebron
92 Jordan
17 Lebron
16 Lebron
89 Jordan
93 Jordan
18 Lebron

I'd probably go with something like that off the cuff. If we were talking total seasons, my list would be a bit different. I was going to put 09 Lebron higher, but honestly it's too much of an outlier statistically for me to really take it at face value.

'89 Jordan and '18 Lebron should be near the top. Those are maybe the two biggest examples of one player carrying a team.

'89 Jordan is way better than '92 Jordan.
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Re: Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron 

Post#63 » by Gregoire » Fri Nov 6, 2020 4:44 pm

Lost92Bricks wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:91 Jordan
90 Jordan
12 Lebron
09 Lebron
92 Jordan
17 Lebron
16 Lebron
89 Jordan
93 Jordan
18 Lebron

I'd probably go with something like that off the cuff. If we were talking total seasons, my list would be a bit different. I was going to put 09 Lebron higher, but honestly it's too much of an outlier statistically for me to really take it at face value.

'89 Jordan and '18 Lebron should be near the top. Those are maybe the two biggest examples of one player carrying a team.

'89 Jordan is way better than '92 Jordan.


In this case 88 Jordan is on pair with 89 one.
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
AEnigma wrote:
Jordan is not as smart a help defender as Kidd
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Re: Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron 

Post#64 » by IG2 » Sat Nov 7, 2020 1:21 am

2018 LeBron
1991 MJ
1989 MJ
2009 LeBron
1992 MJ
2017 LeBron
1990 MJ
1993 MJ
1996 MJ
2014 LeBron
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Re: Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron 

Post#65 » by Djoker » Sat Nov 7, 2020 1:45 am

I personally don't think 2018 Lebron is peak Lebron. He did have monster stats and got a pretty unimpressive roster to the Finals but the teams he faced in the East were very weak. Best players on those teams were Oladipo, Lowry and a 19-year old Tatum? Lebron also declined a lot defensively from his best. At times he was even a defensive liability.

I think 2012 Lebron was clearly better. More motor and stamina and while he put up slightly worse offensive numbers but against better competition (those Pacers, Celtics >>> the 2018 East opponents) he played all-time great defense.
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Re: Rank playoffs versions (runs) of Jordan and Lebron 

Post#66 » by Gregoire » Sat Nov 7, 2020 7:03 am

Djoker wrote:I personally don't think 2018 Lebron is peak Lebron. He did have monster stats and got a pretty unimpressive roster to the Finals but the teams he faced in the East were very weak. Best players on those teams were Oladipo, Lowry and a 19-year old Tatum? Lebron also declined a lot defensively from his best. At times he was even a defensive liability.

I think 2012 Lebron was clearly better. More motor and stamina and while he put up slightly worse offensive numbers but against better competition (those Pacers, Celtics >>> the 2018 East opponents) he played all-time great defense.


Not to mention stats in the Finals in 0-4 series also could be taken with the grain of salt.
Heej wrote:
These no calls on LeBron are crazy. A lot of stars got foul calls to protect them.
falcolombardi wrote:
Come playoffs 18 lebron beats any version of jordan
AEnigma wrote:
Jordan is not as smart a help defender as Kidd

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