Highest reasonable ranking for Reggie Miller?

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3 career All-NBA Teams, all 3rd Teams

Received MVP votes in 2 seasons, never finished higher than 13th

For as many huge baskets as he made in the playoffs, his resume and productions is obv good, but FAR from elite. Anything higher than top 50 would be greatly overrating him imo.

Reggie Miller is constantly disrespected. He is clearly one of the most underrated, hated, and downplayed in every discussion (even though he was sort of like the mini-Curry, worse in every-way, but he was essentially the Curry of the 90s.

Anyone who argues Miller outside top 40 must have great reasoning, because what Miller has shown on the basketball court clearly shows he deserves at LEAST that spot.

Anyone who listens to accolades is listening to others' opinions. It's like listening to me about something, and not only believing it, but also calling it proof! Imagine that! But the casuals are really on that level of smartness, who knew? You go off of statistical evidence, the data, and film (this is like 80% for me). And Reggie clearly has shown he has been good

Reggie is definitely top 40 all-time, and I would argue top 35. Since I don't have enough time to make a case, I'll let someone (provided the best case they ever have) make it for me:

https://thinkingbasketball.net/2018/01/18/backpicks-goat-29-reggie-miller/

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Anyone who argues Miller outside top 40 must have great reasoning, because what Miller has shown on the basketball court clearly shows he deserves at LEAST that spot.

Don't think so.

When I think of the top players of all-time I find it hard to compare players who do not play the same position. So when I think of say the top 50 players of all-time I always start with the top 10 at each of C, PF, SF, SG, PG.

Reggie Miller was 6-7 in height but was not a good defender, not even an average defender most seasons, that couldn't rebound in the least, nor get a steal, nor block a shot. He scored as much as 20 pts/g in a season just 6 times, and never as much as 25 pts/g.

Just off the top of my head here are 9 better SGs in their prime:

Michael Jordan
Jerry West
Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Sidney Moncrief
Clyde Drexler
George Gervin
Dennis Johnson
James Harden

Not to mention other SGs like Ginobili, Hal Greer, Alvin Robertson, Jerry Sloan, maybe a couple of others.

I think of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen as being similar, and I would not rate either above any of these 9 SGs.

Plus I would not rate Miller above the top 9 Cs, or PFs, or SFs.

So I would not have either Miller or Ray Allen in a top 40 list.

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Anyone who argues Miller outside top 40 must have great reasoning, because what Miller has shown on the basketball court clearly shows he deserves at LEAST that spot.

Don't think so.

When I think of the top players of all-time I find it hard to compare players who do not play the same position. So when I think of say the top 50 players of all-time I always start with the top 10 at each of C, PF, SF, SG, PG.

Reggie Miller was 6-7 in height but was not a good defender, not even an average defender most seasons, that couldn't rebound in the least, nor get a steal, nor block a shot. He scored as much as 20 pts/g in a season just 6 times, and never as much as 25 pts/g.

Just off the top of my head here are 9 better SGs in their prime:

Michael Jordan
Jerry West
Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Sidney Moncrief
Clyde Drexler
George Gervin
Dennis Johnson
James Harden

Not to mention other SGs like Ginobili, Hal Greer, Alvin Robertson, Jerry Sloan, maybe a couple of others.

I think of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen as being similar, and I would not rate either above any of these 9 SGs.

Plus I would not rate Miller above the top 9 Cs, or PFs, or SFs.

So I would not have either Miller or Ray Allen in a top 40 list.

You are wrong. There is no way you can have Clyde Drexler, Dennis Johnson, Gervin, Moncrief or anyone else over Reggie Miller (who is better than Ray Allen).

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You are wrong.

Explain why.

There is no way you can have

There are multiple ways I can have.

Here are the reasons. Compared to Miller:

Drexler - better defender, better scorer, far better offensive rebounder, much better defensive rebounder, much higher steal rate, much higher shot blocking rate

Dennis Johnson - far far better defender as an SG, much better offensive rebounder, better defensive rebounder, higher steal rate, higher shot blocking rate

Gervin - far better scorer, far better rebounder, much better shot blocker

Moncrief - far far better defender, similar scorer before injury, far better offensive rebounder, better defensive rebounder

Reggie Miller averaged playing 34 min/g in his career. You clearly have no clue the negative impact of having a player on the floor for that many minutes every game that can't rebound, can't defend, can't force a turnover, and can't block a shot - compared to players that are similar scorers but that can do all four of these.

Over 18 seasons Reggie Miller played on teams that won 50+ games in a season just 5 times. Ask yourself why.

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I wouldn't rate him in the top 50, nor do I see much of an argument for it. Analytics, and a misunderstanding about Reggie's limitations, has led to him being quite overrated retrospectively.

Ray Allen is the prototype for a 3pt shooter who would be much better today, not Miller. Ray Allen can actually get to the basket, and was guarded from 3 much more than Miller during their respective careers. Back when Reggie played nobody understood how important the 3pt shot was, and barely guarded it, whereas today the whole defense is geared around stopping the 3ball.

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I wouldn't rate him in the top 50, nor do I see much of an argument for it. Analytics, and a misunderstanding about Reggie's limitations, has led to him being quite overrated retrospectively.

Ray Allen is the prototype for a 3pt shooter who would be much better today, not Miller. Ray Allen can actually get to the basket, and was guarded from 3 much more than Miller during their respective careers. Back when Reggie played nobody understood how important the 3pt shot was, and barely guarded it, whereas today the whole defense is geared around stopping the 3ball.

Reggie Miller is literally the version of 1990s Curry. Watch the games, you can see he utilized screens the best out of anyone, is a top 10 off-ball player of all-time. His limitations is all on the ball, he could definitely playmake (good vision, when it comes to finding cutters), and he's one of the GOAT off-ball playmakers. The disrespect has to stop. Reggie Miller is top 40 all-time.

Reggie was guarded way more than Ray Allen. You have just proved you have never watched basketball, nor picked it up once in your life. Do you even care about the sport?

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You are wrong.

Explain why.

One of the best off-ball players of all-time, with his cutting, movement, shooting, gravity, everything off-ball offensively overall. His on-ball is the only problems I have with him, which is why he isn't top 30. He was the proto-Curry in a way, but people start hyping him up and not Reggie, weird.

There is no way you can have

Over 18 seasons Reggie Miller played on teams that won 50+ games in a season just 5 times. Ask yourself why.

Because he had trash teams. Always elevated in the playoffs anyways.

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I wouldn't rate him in the top 50, nor do I see much of an argument for it. Analytics, and a misunderstanding about Reggie's limitations, has led to him being quite overrated retrospectively.

Ray Allen is the prototype for a 3pt shooter who would be much better today, not Miller. Ray Allen can actually get to the basket, and was guarded from 3 much more than Miller during their respective careers. Back when Reggie played nobody understood how important the 3pt shot was, and barely guarded it, whereas today the whole defense is geared around stopping the 3ball.

Reggie Miller is literally the version of 1990s Curry. Watch the games, you can see he utilized screens the best out of anyone, is a top 10 off-ball player of all-time. His limitations is all on the ball, he could definitely playmake (good vision, when it comes to finding cutters), and he's one of the GOAT off-ball playmakers. The disrespect has to stop. Reggie Miller is top 40 all-time.

Reggie was guarded way more than Ray Allen. You have just proved you have never watched basketball, nor picked it up once in your life. Do you even care about the sport?

I watched plenty of Miller, and have discussed this before at length. Miller is nothing like Curry, other than the fact that both are good 3pt shooters.

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I wouldn't rate him in the top 50, nor do I see much of an argument for it. Analytics, and a misunderstanding about Reggie's limitations, has led to him being quite overrated retrospectively.

Ray Allen is the prototype for a 3pt shooter who would be much better today, not Miller. Ray Allen can actually get to the basket, and was guarded from 3 much more than Miller during their respective careers. Back when Reggie played nobody understood how important the 3pt shot was, and barely guarded it, whereas today the whole defense is geared around stopping the 3ball.

Reggie Miller is literally the version of 1990s Curry. Watch the games, you can see he utilized screens the best out of anyone, is a top 10 off-ball player of all-time. His limitations is all on the ball, he could definitely playmake (good vision, when it comes to finding cutters), and he's one of the GOAT off-ball playmakers. The disrespect has to stop. Reggie Miller is top 40 all-time.

Reggie was guarded way more than Ray Allen. You have just proved you have never watched basketball, nor picked it up once in your life. Do you even care about the sport?

I watched plenty of Miller, and have discussed this before at length. Miller is nothing like Curry, other than the fact that both are good 3pt shooters.

A blatant liar. Miller was everything like Curry, just worse.

Miller is everything like Curry off the ball (C&s, play finishing, off ball playmaking (gravity), cutting, etc). He was also limited on the ball like Curry.

The only difference in their skillsets (where Miller is worse than Curry in every-way, but still good enough to be top 35 ever) is that Miller rose in the playoffs, while Curry is a playoff choker

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One of the best off-ball players of all-time, with his cutting, movement, shooting, gravity, everything off-ball offensively overall.

How about his defense? His rebounding? His steal and shot blocking rates?

Because he had trash teams.

Yep, just blame it on his teammates.

Always elevated in the playoffs anyways.

Miller was in the playoffs 15 seasons. Compare his regular season stats for those 15 regular seasons to what his did in the playoffs those 15 seasons:

2pt FG% - regular season 52.0%, playoffs 48.7%
3pt FG% - regular season 39.2%, playoffs 39.0%
rebounding - regular season 4.1 reb/48min, playoffs 3.8 reb/48min
steals - regular season 1.5 st/48min, playoffs 1.3 st/48min

Perhaps you should look up the words "always" and "elevate" in a dictionary. Discover what they actually mean.

The disrespect has to stop.

Tell you what. Why don't you list all the SGs you think are better than Miller all-time.

Then we can call the choices you list beneath him as being disrespectful too.

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Reggie Miller is literally the version of 1990s Curry. Watch the games, you can see he utilized screens the best out of anyone, is a top 10 off-ball player of all-time. His limitations is all on the ball, he could definitely playmake (good vision, when it comes to finding cutters), and he's one of the GOAT off-ball playmakers. The disrespect has to stop. Reggie Miller is top 40 all-time.

Reggie was guarded way more than Ray Allen. You have just proved you have never watched basketball, nor picked it up once in your life. Do you even care about the sport?

I watched plenty of Miller, and have discussed this before at length. Miller is nothing like Curry, other than the fact that both are good 3pt shooters.

A blatant liar. Miller was everything like Curry, just worse.

Miller is everything like Curry off the ball (C&s, play finishing, off ball playmaking (gravity), cutting, etc). He was also limited on the ball like Curry.

The only difference in their skillsets (where Miller is worse than Curry in every-way, but still good enough to be top 35 ever) is that Miller rose in the playoffs, while Curry is a playoff choker

If you think the point guard Curry played like Reggie Miller I don't feel like I need to reply further.

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I watched plenty of Miller, and have discussed this before at length. Miller is nothing like Curry, other than the fact that both are good 3pt shooters.

A blatant liar. Miller was everything like Curry, just worse.

Miller is everything like Curry off the ball (C&s, play finishing, off ball playmaking (gravity), cutting, etc). He was also limited on the ball like Curry.

The only difference in their skillsets (where Miller is worse than Curry in every-way, but still good enough to be top 35 ever) is that Miller rose in the playoffs, while Curry is a playoff choker

If you think the point guard Curry played like Reggie Miller I don't feel like I need to reply further.

Curry is a shooting guard in reality, he doesn't run an offense enough to the extent that he can be seperated from Reggie.
See this is my problem, you guys don't actually watch games (many people argue in good faith more than you), and you never actually understood a players' skill-set.

Curry was like Reggie Miller in every-way, just a better version in every-way. The only thing is Curry is a playoff choker (and had less limitations as an on-ball playmaker), while Miller is a playoff riser. Both are the same otherwise.
But OFC, people will say anything to support their agendas full of lies, and will never admit anything.