James/Bynum vs. Howard/Anthony

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If Howard and Bynum switched places then the Magic would be the worst team in the league and the Lakers would be the best team in the league.

The Magic wouldn't be the worst. They'd probably compete for the 8th spot in the East.

But I agree, the Lakers would be crazy good.

I just wish people would stop thinking that Lakers fans think Bynum is as good as Howard. We don't think Bynum is as good. We just think that Bynum has a chance to approach Howard. Howard isn't god.

[TooNice00]

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Chill out dude. No one said Bynum is better than Howard. I probably know how you feel because your boy Howard is being compared to someone else and not everyone is on Howard's side.

13ppg doesn't determine how good a player is. The overall stats does. Bynum's efficiency is 21.9, higher than Anthony's 21.7 while playing less minutes.

I'd say Bynum is at least comparable to Anthony right now and Lebron > Dwight. I am sorry.

whats the point of throwing in lebron>dwight?

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whats the point of throwing in lebron>dwight?

Did you forget the point of this thread?

[Hoops Pimp]

No one is saying Bynum is better than Howard, that was not the question. The question is would James and Bynum or Howard and Anthony win a 2 vs 2. Much different.

[TooNice00]

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Did you forget the point of this thread?

yea.

[TooNice00]

carmelo and howard are better than bynum and lebron right now and it isn't even close. simple math could tell you that. look at their stats. bynum even feeds off kobe right now and i'd take melo and howard over them too.

[Kabookalu]

Howard and Melo. This overrating of Bynum is getting ridiculous.

[yunggunz]

I'm saying that based on their current stats, Carmelo and Bynum have equal impact.

For the Lakers sake, you better hope thats not true. I guess we will find out over the next 5-10 games (at least)

[DNIsLeGiT]

I have seen it all now,all of a sudden bynum=melo in production?,talk about overrating a player and making them out to be better then they actually are.

I'll take melo and howard.

[hermes]

lebron and bynum

[mudyez]

the point of the thread was the following:

d12 and lebron are often compared to each other and its either: a guy like lebron comes around every 50 years, while a d12 comes around every 20 years....or...I choose hight over skills!

I wanted to even those things out with other young players: bynum for hight and melo for skills!

there is no question, that melo is better than bynum right now, but I think I deleted the arguments pretty nicely so far!

[mudyez]

and btw.: I dont like the bynum-hyping myself...its about the package and not something els (thought about oden instead of bynum)

[yunggunz]

When you compare Melo and Bron the only area where Bron really beats Melo is play making (and its by a good amount). Theres little doubt that Melo would be putting up similar scoring number without AI around (or if put in Cleveland in Brons shoes) and Melos rebounding can rival James.


So does that playmaking ability overcome the gap between howard and Bynum? I dont think so. And I think the fact that Melo has a more diverse offensive game solidifies Melo/Howard as the right choice.

[TooNice00]

i don't understand the notion "people like lebron come around once every 50 years or whatever." and players like dwight come around every 20 years. isn't lebron doing something that only happened 20 years ago. and dwight is doing something that hasn't happened llike 30 years ago.

[TooNice00]

really i'd like to hear what lebron can get all that much better at? there a few little things he could get better at but there is nothing in his game that he really needs to work on. other than get better teammates.

[bballcool34]

really i'd like to hear what lebron can get all that much better at? there a few little things he could get better at but there is nothing in his game that he really needs to work on. other than get better teammates.

Of course, there's nothing he needs to get better at. But off the top of my head, I'd say he could become better at:

-free throws
- shooting jumpers/ threes (though he has improved)
-post game (which he will probably develop as he gets older)

But, yeah obviously when your talking about a player of Lebron's caliber, there's not a whole lot that he does wrong.

As for this comparison, I'd go with Melo and Dwight.

[Kabookalu]

When you compare Melo and Bron the only area where Bron really beats Melo is play making (and its by a good amount). Theres little doubt that Melo would be putting up similar scoring number without AI around (or if put in Cleveland in Brons shoes) and Melos rebounding can rival James.


So does that playmaking ability overcome the gap between howard and Bynum? I dont think so. And I think the fact that Melo has a more diverse offensive game solidifies Melo/Howard as the right choice.

My thoughts exactly, scoring and rebounding they're basically the same, defense I'll give the slight edge to Lebron because of help defense but it seems like Melo has improved. The biggest gaps in their game is playmaking, though that's in only one parts of their games. The gap between Howard and Bynum is basically on all parts of their games.

[TooNice00]

lebron does need to work on his jumper, 3 point shooting, and free throw shooting. but he hasn't really got that much better at 3 point shooting, he is only shooting .282%, lowest in his career. his FT shooting is pretty bad too at only 70%, also the second lowest in his career. i just don't see lebron ever being a great shooter, he really hasn't got better at his 3 point shooting and ft% and is coming up on 5 years. however, its better for him to take it to the rim right now anyway. you look at dwight, who isn't that far off from lebron already, and you can see the massive improvements he could make in his game. really if he could just shoot a jumper, which he is just now attempting in games, he would be easily be the best player in the league.

[halfHAVOC]

lebron/bynum cuz of lebron

[bballcool34]

lebron does need to work on his jumper, 3 point shooting, and free throw shooting. but he hasn't really got that much better at 3 point shooting, he is only shooting .282%, lowest in his career. his FT shooting is pretty bad too at only 70%, also the second lowest in his career. i just don't see lebron ever being a great shooter, he really hasn't got better at his 3 point shooting and ft% and is coming up on 5 years. however, its better for him to take it to the rim right now anyway. you look at dwight, who isn't that far off from lebron already, and you can see the massive improvements he could make in his game. really if he could just shoot a jumper, which he is just now attempting in games, he would be easily be the best player in the league.

He may never be a shooter, but his jumper certainly can improve. And when I was talking about his improvement, I should have been more clear- I was referring to his jumper, not specifically his three point shot, which has been off this year.

The older Lebron gets, and as his athleticism decreases, a post up game will be key towards his success (with his size and strength, he'll be too big for most small forwards, and still too quick for most power forwards). His jumper will probably also improve through the years, though I agree that he will never really be a shooter.

True, that it's easier to spot weaknesses in Dwight's game; but that's because Lebron is already so good and may already be considered the best player in the league by some.