The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

[zimpy27]

Dont have another year to waste

Pelinka blew that chance this summer

Need a makeover this season

I still think Bron and AD are a winning duo in the playoffs under the right circumstances

Reaves and Knecht are playoff guys

Dlo, Rui, and our bigs arent

If we had Miami Vincent and a healthy Vando, it would be help. But since we dont, should look to maybe move both

Knecht is not a playoff guy cmon.

Ok just for a thought experiment - would you trade Hachimura and Wood + 1st for DFS and Sharpe.

Then trade Russell, Vincent, JHS and Vanderbilt for Lavine(in a complicated 3 way trade including the Pistons)

Why isnt Knecht a playoff guy? Hes a multi level scorer

Can we do Rui and Hayes and a 1st (assuming it will have decent protections on this) for DFS and Sharpe? I dont think those guys warrant a potentially very good 1st, so needs decent protections

I would make these moves. but then we need to sign multiple guys and that pushes us into the 2nd apron right? Which is fine I think since this summer Lebron can take less

Reaves, Lavine, DFS, Bron, AD
Fultz?, Christie, Knecht, Wood, Sharpe

Top trade options are

BKN in some sort of CamJ, DFS, Sharpe deal or go the weird route of Ben Simmons
Chi: Multiple routes. Can go for Lonzo, Lavine, or even Vuc. Or Vuc and Zo
Miami: Jimmy Butler deal
Portland: Grant and RW3. Can it be done for a 29 1st that has some protections.

I think BKN is the easiest team to work with

I dont think we want super long term money for a guy like Grant or maybe even Lavine, but that is up to Jeanie and Rob

Jimmy or Lavine probably give us the highest ceilings though. And we get to consolidate a bunch of guys who aren't providing a ton

What decent FAs are left though?

Fultz, DSJ, RoCo, Keita Bates-Diop, Marcus Morris are the best I see

I think Rui is a better fit than LaVine. I mean Rui gives you nearly 3.5 extra possessions per 100 and scores 20 points on 60% TS. LaVine loses you 2.5 possessions per 100 and scores 30 points on 60% TS. There is a 6 possessions gained swing for Rui compared to LaVine. LaVine gets you more points because he takes more shots, another advantage is the 3.5 more assists generated per 100.

Lakers need to replace DLo and Vincent with a playmaker guard that can defend and is a decent rebounder.

I'd be keen on Butler even if you had to move Reaves or Knecht.

[nzahir]

[Stein, Fischer] The New Orleans Pelicans are open to trading anyone on their roster except Herb Jones, Yves Missi, and Trey Murphy III

We going to get back into DJM rumors?

[zimpy27]

Yeah DJM was a good fit. Worth a try

[Mos_Heat]

Dont have another year to waste

Pelinka blew that chance this summer

Need a makeover this season

I still think Bron and AD are a winning duo in the playoffs under the right circumstances

Reaves and Knecht are playoff guys

Dlo, Rui, and our bigs arent

If we had Miami Vincent and a healthy Vando, it would be help. But since we dont, should look to maybe move both

Knecht is not a playoff guy cmon.

Ok just for a thought experiment - would you trade Hachimura and Wood + 1st for DFS and Sharpe.

Then trade Russell, Vincent, JHS and Vanderbilt for Lavine(in a complicated 3 way trade including the Pistons)

Why isnt Knecht a playoff guy? Hes a multi level scorer

Because he can't guard a chair. He's not a guy who would stay on the floor against any team

[Mos_Heat]

Still zero explosiveness but at least he plays with more energy

[zimpy27]

Knecht is not a playoff guy cmon.

Ok just for a thought experiment - would you trade Hachimura and Wood + 1st for DFS and Sharpe.

Then trade Russell, Vincent, JHS and Vanderbilt for Lavine(in a complicated 3 way trade including the Pistons)

Why isnt Knecht a playoff guy? Hes a multi level scorer

Because he can't guard a chair. He's not a guy who would stay on the floor against any team

DLo+Rui+Gabe+Knecht could be enough for Butler.

[1993Playoffs]

This has to be his first season where he’s clearly not top 10. I guess since his rookie season. What a run

[dcstanley]

Rui is so clueless defensively lmao

[nzahir]

Why isnt Knecht a playoff guy? Hes a multi level scorer

Because he can't guard a chair. He's not a guy who would stay on the floor against any team

DLo+Rui+Gabe+Knecht could be enough for Butler.

I dont see us giving up Knecht for an aging Butler

If we can do any variation they want from Dlo, Rui, Vando, Vincent, JHS, Christie, filler and a 29 1st and a 28 swap, that should be the trade

If they insist on 2 1sts, then I think 2031 needs to be lotto protected (becomes 2nds) and maybe look to ask for Highsmith back as well

Jimmy probably gives us the highest ceiling of these deals and that is what we should be aiming for

[Tracymcgoaty]

Dlo keeps playing like this he'll be out of the rotation.

[zimpy27]

Dlo keeps playing like this he'll be out of the rotation.

DLo and Booker documented their offseason training together online. Both come back worse..

[zimpy27]

Because he can't guard a chair. He's not a guy who would stay on the floor against any team

DLo+Rui+Gabe+Knecht could be enough for Butler.

I dont see us giving up Knecht for an aging Butler

If we can do any variation they want from Dlo, Rui, Vando, Vincent, JHS, Christie, filler and a 29 1st and a 28 swap, that should be the trade

If they insist on 2 1sts, then I think 2031 needs to be lotto protected (becomes 2nds) and maybe look to ask for Highsmith back as well

Jimmy probably gives us the highest ceiling of these deals and that is what we should be aiming for

Not sure they would but if Miami wants him they should. I certainly think Miami will target 26 offseason for a free agent and would value Knechts low salary.

Christie, Reaves, Butler, LeBron, Davis
Burks, Reddish, Vando, Wood
Bronny, Larsson, Lewis, Hayes
With $2.4m left for a couple buyouts (under MLE - Reed?)

I think this squad would be far better defensively and a legit contender

[MrPainfulTruth]

Lebron/Hayes/Bronny for Kuminga/GP2/Looney/Wiggins

Lebron/Wood/Reddish/Bronny for Okoro/Strus/Niang/Levert/2030 Cavs 1st rounder

Let's hope one of these end up happening. Second one would be amazing.

I highly doubt LeBron will go to GS.

Cleveland maybe. Not sure that trade is something the Lakers would do though unless they do it out of loyalty to LeBron.

But why would Cleveland make any moves at this point? They are crushing the league right now. What would be their incentive?

[Joao Saraiva]

Lebron/Hayes/Bronny for Kuminga/GP2/Looney/Wiggins

Lebron/Wood/Reddish/Bronny for Okoro/Strus/Niang/Levert/2030 Cavs 1st rounder

Let's hope one of these end up happening. Second one would be amazing.

I highly doubt LeBron will go to GS.

Cleveland maybe. Not sure that trade is something the Lakers would do though unless they do it out of loyalty to LeBron.

But why would Cleveland make any moves at this point? They are crushing the league right now. What would be their incentive?

I agree. Let the Cavs roll with what they're doing. Bron is a big name and a guy who will change things in the locker room. He can play a lesser minutes and contribute, he can be an upside. But he can also be bad for the team. At this point it's a gamble I wouldn't take. Bron isn't the same game changer anymore. If they were one piece away from looking great I'd do it... right now it makes no sense to me.

[nzahir]

DLo+Rui+Gabe+Knecht could be enough for Butler.

I dont see us giving up Knecht for an aging Butler

If we can do any variation they want from Dlo, Rui, Vando, Vincent, JHS, Christie, filler and a 29 1st and a 28 swap, that should be the trade

If they insist on 2 1sts, then I think 2031 needs to be lotto protected (becomes 2nds) and maybe look to ask for Highsmith back as well

Jimmy probably gives us the highest ceiling of these deals and that is what we should be aiming for

Not sure they would but if Miami wants him they should. I certainly think Miami will target 26 offseason for a free agent and would value Knechts low salary.

Christie, Reaves, Butler, LeBron, Davis
Burks, Reddish, Vando, Wood
Bronny, Larsson, Lewis, Hayes
With $2.4m left for a couple buyouts (under MLE - Reed?)

I think this squad would be far better defensively and a legit contender

We arent moving Knecht or Reaves for an aging Jimmy that wants big money

I think a 1st and a swap is fair

Move Vando, Hayes, and 1-2 2nds for Robert Williams if Portland wants to swap injury risk guys? Its a high upside move for us

Do it all in 1 big trade to make salaries work (Dlo, Rui, Gabe and JHS for Jimmy, Larsson, and Burks/Jrich and then Vando and Hayes for RW3)

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Christie, Butler, Lebron, Davis
Fultz, Burks, Knecht, Wood, RW3
Cam

I like that team

[zimpy27]

I dont see us giving up Knecht for an aging Butler

If we can do any variation they want from Dlo, Rui, Vando, Vincent, JHS, Christie, filler and a 29 1st and a 28 swap, that should be the trade

If they insist on 2 1sts, then I think 2031 needs to be lotto protected (becomes 2nds) and maybe look to ask for Highsmith back as well

Jimmy probably gives us the highest ceiling of these deals and that is what we should be aiming for

Not sure they would but if Miami wants him they should. I certainly think Miami will target 26 offseason for a free agent and would value Knechts low salary.

Christie, Reaves, Butler, LeBron, Davis
Burks, Reddish, Vando, Wood
Bronny, Larsson, Lewis, Hayes
With $2.4m left for a couple buyouts (under MLE - Reed?)

I think this squad would be far better defensively and a legit contender

We arent moving Knecht or Reaves for an aging Jimmy that wants big money

I think a 1st and a swap is fair

Move Vando, Hayes, and 1-2 2nds for Robert Williams if Portland wants to swap injury risk guys? Its a high upside move for us

Do it all in 1 big trade to make salaries work (Dlo, Rui, Gabe and JHS for Jimmy, Larsson, and Burks/Jrich and then Vando and Hayes for RW3)

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Christie, Butler, Lebron, Davis
Fultz, Burks, Knecht, Wood, RW3
Cam

I like that team

Bro there was a report that Lakers are top of the list to trade for Lonzo...

I don't know if Lakers are actually thinking sensibly or if the reporter just scans these threads for ideas. But either way I'm pretty hopeful.

Maybe they go for Lonzo+Vuc or Lonzo+Smith.

[SK21209]

I highly doubt LeBron will go to GS.

Cleveland maybe. Not sure that trade is something the Lakers would do though unless they do it out of loyalty to LeBron.

But why would Cleveland make any moves at this point? They are crushing the league right now. What would be their incentive?

I agree. Let the Cavs roll with what they're doing. Bron is a big name and a guy who will change things in the locker room. He can play a lesser minutes and contribute, he can be an upside. But he can also be bad for the team. At this point it's a gamble I wouldn't take. Bron isn't the same game changer anymore. If they were one piece away from looking great I'd do it... right now it makes no sense to me.

Yeah. LeBron back to the Cavs feels more like a next summer, we won 60+ games but still couldn't beat Boston type of move.

[capfan33]

Yea I’m not even sure I’d want him to leave to ring chase at this point (and I’m still very confident in saying he has no intention to).

[EmpireFalls]

If LBJ was gonna go jump on a bandwagon and ring chase he wouldn’t have even gone to LA in the first place.

[dcstanley]

If LBJ was gonna go jump on a bandwagon and ring chase he wouldn’t have even gone to LA in the first place.

LA made a lot of sense initially, it was a better basketball situation than Cleveland. Most attractive market in the league, young assets in Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, Hart, Zubac, and plenty of cap space. Cleveland was toast once Kyrie left, it's not like Cleveland is a major free agent destination.

Unfortunately, the front office and ownership in LA is among the worst in the league. Sam Presti in LA wins a minimum of two chips during Lebron's seven years there.