The Lebron Thread (Pt. 3)

[GreenHat]

The weird thing is Lebron has been hitting that jumper this season but for whatever reason it hasn't been falling this series even though he's even more open now.

Of course some want to attribute that to him being "shook" rather than random jumpshot fluctuations because they can tell by "the look in his eye".

I do agree that it is a strength because he won't settle for those shots and also that it is a legitimate criticism in this series.

[GreenHat]

So Jordan's supporting cast was better.

And this two examples were from top of my head from Jordan's the best (or second best) finals ever. If I would dig deeper, I would found more such examples. And my point was only to show how silly is what J23F is doing.

You certainly would not find examples of the length and frequency that Lebron has shown in this series all from one series for Jordan - certainly not in his prime. You're being incredibly disingenuous. Again, this has been obvious to everyone with eyes. It has been commented on on forums and in the media at large. Just stop - you're embarrassing yourself.

In his prime Jordan disappeared for two years, which could have cost his team (which showed they were a 50+ win team and just as good on defense without him) two titles. I can play arm chair psychologist too and say he was "shook" or make up any type of bs up for why he quit on his team. Sometimes jumpers just aren't falling and sometimes you just don't get any calls (unless of course you're Jordan).

Overall Lebron is at 23/10.7/7.5 with great defense for the series and his poor play really only cost the Heat one game (game 1 where he had a triple double with 18 rebounds). He hasn't been good but he's been far from invisible. Your agenda is just obscuring your view.

[TheChosen618]

The weird thing is Lebron has been hitting that jumper this season but for whatever reason it hasn't been falling this series even though he's even more open now.

Of course some want to attribute that to him being "shook" rather than random jumpshot fluctuations because they can tell by "the look in his eye".

I do agree that it is a strength because he won't settle for those shots and also that it is a legitimate criticism in this series.

It seems like an ongoing trend that his jumper disappears in the Finals. I'm not sure why but it could very well just be fatigue from all the heavy lifting he does all season.

Fatigue for some reason can't ever be an answer to anything.


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[NaturalThunder]

This is all I've wanted to see from LeBron all series. If they're going to back-off and basically give you practice jumpers, step-up and shoot them with confidence. He hasn't been the least bit hesitant tonight, is shooting the jumpers with confidence, and he's having a huge game.

[NaturalThunder]

Still felt like a sub-par series, but 37-12-4 on 12/23 FG and 5/10 3P in a Finals Game 7 is the stuff legends are made of. Incredible game for LeBron.

[toodles23]

Lebron's pretty much solidified himself as the GOAT game 7 performer.

[TheChosen618]

Now I think it's clear that Lebron's best season is 2013. What an amazing game. The guy's jumper was wet tonight like it was all season.

[ThatsWhatIShved]

^

Yup. Back to back * season titles is impressive. The league may have been littered with injuries and the Heat had a better winning percentage when Lebron did not even step on the court, but this is still something that people will have to acknowledge happened. The Big 3 have a GREAT chance to win their first real championship next year, as long as the NBA doesn't starting testing for PEDS. Congrats again. We can finally say it

Lebron James is a champion in an 82 game * season

[GetItDone]

What a performance. What we've been waiting for.

LeBron moves into top 5 as 5th all time for me.

[D.Brasco]

Remember people here saying like 2 days ago this would not be a good finals series for lebron no matter what?

[SideshowBob]

Now I think it's clear that Lebron's best season is 2013. What an amazing game. The guy's jumper was wet tonight like it was all season.

lol wtf?? Don't take this the wrong way at all dude, I don't mean this antagonistically, but you've spent the last 2 months talking about how he's underwhelmed in the playoffs and how 2012 is clearly better. One game was enough to turn that?

I mean I don't even disagree, 2013 is his best season, but how are you letting one game completely flip your view?

[microfib4thewin]

Still felt like a sub-par series, but 37-12-4 on 12/23 FG and 5/10 3P in a Finals Game 7 is the stuff legends are made of. Incredible game for LeBron.

Pretty much my thought. As much as he struggled in this series he was able to close it out in a perfect way. At least we won't hear much of 'no jumper' and 'not clutch' until next year.

[SideshowBob]

Lebron's pretty much solidified himself as the GOAT game 7 performer.

Not to mention that this counts as another elimination game as well.

[TheChosen618]

Now I think it's clear that Lebron's best season is 2013. What an amazing game. The guy's jumper was wet tonight like it was all season.

lol wtf?? Don't take this the wrong way at all dude, I don't mean this antagonistically, but you've spent the last 2 months talking about how he's underwhelmed in the playoffs and how 2012 is clearly better. One game was enough to turn that?

I mean I don't even disagree, 2013 is his best season, but how are you letting one game completely flip your view?

Well IG2 and ElGee's breakdown on how the defense has been playing Lebron changed my view. I personally thought it was just all Lebron and his mindset but he was right. The way the defenses play him changes everything and I never thought about that.

It wasn't one game. I have been saying for a while that ability wise, this is CLEARLY the best version of Lebron. I was just not liking his production and his mindset but truthfully that wasn't the problem. It was just the more difficult defenses he has played this post-season compared to last.

Wade has also been in Lebron's way. Lebron's production would have been even more incredible if Wade wasn't on the floor.

This is what this thread and what reading RealGM is all about, learning more about the game.

[D.Brasco]

2013 will go down as one of the best individual seasons a true GOAT candidate.

[ThatsWhatIShved]

Still felt like a sub-par series, but 37-12-4 on 12/23 FG and 5/10 3P in a Finals Game 7 is the stuff legends are made of. Incredible game for LeBron.

Pretty much my thought. As much as he struggled in this series he was able to close it out in a perfect way. At least we won't hear much of 'no jumper' and 'not clutch' until next year.

Is beating team of senior citizens after being fully rested from beating up on a sub .500 Bucks team, the injury riddled Bulls, and the Pacers missing their best scorer really all that clutch? He could have not played a game all year and the Heat would have won the chip comfortably, look at their winning % when he didn't even dress. Not really all that clutch. Something that happened? Sure. Something that will be remembered? Maybe, if no PED testing is ever done, or if no one ever reviews the game film to track uncalled offensive fouls and travels. But it did happen.

Congrats to Lebron James on his second * Finals MVP

[SideshowBob]

Well IG2 and ElGee's breakdown on how the defense has been playing Lebron changed my view. I personally thought it was just all Lebron and his mindset but he was right. The way the defenses play him changes everything and I never thought about that.

It wasn't one game. I have been saying for a while that ability wise, this is CLEARLY the best version of Lebron. I was just not liking his production and his mindset but truthfully that wasn't the problem. It was just the more difficult defenses he has played this post-season compared to last.

Wade has also been in Lebron's way. Lebron's production would have been even more incredible if Wade wasn't on the floor.

Cool. Makes more sense in that case.

[TheChosen618]

Cool. Makes more sense in that case.

Don't worry though. 2014 Lebron will be even better.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Now I think it's clear that Lebron's best season is 2013. What an amazing game. The guy's jumper was wet tonight like it was all season.

lol wtf?? Don't take this the wrong way at all dude, I don't mean this antagonistically, but you've spent the last 2 months talking about how he's underwhelmed in the playoffs and how 2012 is clearly better. One game was enough to turn that?

I mean I don't even disagree, 2013 is his best season, but how are you letting one game completely flip your view?

Well IG2 and ElGee's breakdown on how the defense has been playing Lebron changed my view. I personally thought it was just all Lebron and his mindset but he was right. The way the defenses play him changes everything and I never thought about that.

It wasn't one game. I have been saying for a while that ability wise, this is CLEARLY the best version of Lebron. I was just not liking his production and his mindset but truthfully that wasn't the problem. It was just the more difficult defenses he has played this post-season compared to last.

Wade has also been in Lebron's way. Lebron's production would have been even more incredible if Wade wasn't on the floor.

This is what this thread and what reading RealGM is all about, learning more about the game.

No way, Lebron was better last year on offense & defense. I think Lebron's struggles shooting in the Finals was a blessing in disguise because it forced him to rely more on his teammates, and that's what turned this series around for the Heat.

[ardee]

Damn. No words.

One of the all-time great closeout games.

Privileged to watch this kind of basketball.... That last jumper was absolutely Jordan-esque.

The only issue I take with this is that I don't have a clue which season to nominate as his peak