All-Season Player of the Year Discussion thread

[penbeast0]

kayess, at the risk of quibbling about non basketball related issues, why are you putting your arguments, which are new information, in Spoilers while leaving all the quotes and interior quotes, which we have seen in the previous post, visible? I'm not sure that makes sense.

[SideshowBob]

Warriors Postseason (14 G)

+10.6 SRS, +7.0 Offense, -3.9 Defense

Cavaliers Postseason (14 G)

+11.1 SRS, +8.6 Offense, -4.2 Defense

[JLei]

Lebron has/ almost certainly will given even a meh Finals climbed above CP3 on my list after that Conference Finals performance.

Currently...
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Lebron
4. Paul
5. Davis

I'm anticipating he ends up 2 unless Harden makes a stand here and extends the series or Lebron obliterates the Warriors in the Finals with Steph looking like **** (very, very unlikely).

[bondom34]

Warriors Postseason (14 G)

+10.6 SRS, +7.0 Offense, -3.9 Defense

Cavaliers Postseason (14 G)

+11.1 SRS, +8.6 Offense, -4.2 Defense

I am wondering how ATL's injuries effected this, though I give the Cavs a shot (and hope they win tbh).

[SideshowBob]

Warriors Postseason (14 G)

+10.6 SRS, +7.0 Offense, -3.9 Defense

Cavaliers Postseason (14 G)

+11.1 SRS, +8.6 Offense, -4.2 Defense

I am wondering how ATL's injuries effected this, though I give the Cavs a shot (and hope they win tbh).

Those line up with what we saw from both teams for most of the RS. Atlanta's injuries can be counteracted with Irving/Love's missed time.

[bondom34]

Warriors Postseason (14 G)

+10.6 SRS, +7.0 Offense, -3.9 Defense

Cavaliers Postseason (14 G)

+11.1 SRS, +8.6 Offense, -4.2 Defense

I am wondering how ATL's injuries effected this, though I give the Cavs a shot (and hope they win tbh).

Those line up with what we saw from both teams for most of the RS. Atlanta's injuries can be counteracted with Irving/Love's missed time.

True, hopefully Irving gets well enough, this will be a big test and after the ECF I'm legit hopeful.

[Gregoire]

Currently:

1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Lebron
4.Paul
5.Davis

[RSCD3_]

I think this cavs warriors series will be a lot more competetive than people thought initially after love went down,

People first said it's even between all 4 remaining teams, than Atlanta was an even competitor and they've been great.

Throw in the tidbit about the last team that won the finals with no players with final experience was in 1991. I think the cavs have a real shot.

And if they win Id probably have to put LeBron over curry.

[kayess]

kayess, at the risk of quibbling about non basketball related issues, why are you putting your arguments, which are new information, in Spoilers while leaving all the quotes and interior quotes, which we have seen in the previous post, visible? I'm not sure that makes sense.

Tempted to spoiler this response as a joke, but anyway:

1) I've seen a couple of posters do it when typing/responding to really long responses
2) I read somewhere that continually using quotes crashes the page if you don't spoiler your response, or something like that.

[Texas Chuck]

Spoiler:

kayess, at the risk of quibbling about non basketball related issues, why are you putting your arguments, which are new information, in Spoilers while leaving all the quotes and interior quotes, which we have seen in the previous post, visible? I'm not sure that makes sense.

Tempted to spoiler this response as a joke, but anyway:

1) I've seen a couple of posters do it when typing/responding to really long responses
2) I read somewhere that continually using quotes crashes the page if you don't spoiler your response, or something like that.

I think typically most people use the spoiler tag on what they are quoting while leaving their new original content visible. I think that is what beast was suggesting?

[kayess]

Spoiler:

kayess, at the risk of quibbling about non basketball related issues, why are you putting your arguments, which are new information, in Spoilers while leaving all the quotes and interior quotes, which we have seen in the previous post, visible? I'm not sure that makes sense.

Tempted to spoiler this response as a joke, but anyway:

1) I've seen a couple of posters do it when typing/responding to really long responses
2) I read somewhere that continually using quotes crashes the page if you don't spoiler your response, or something like that.

I think typically most people use the spoiler tag on what they are quoting while leaving their new original content visible. I think that is what beast was suggesting?

I'm stupid. Will do that next time!

[penbeast0]

Stupid means you don't learn and keep doing the same things over and over. If you learn and improve, that makes you smart.

[PaulieWal]

2) I read somewhere that continually using quotes crashes the page if you don't spoiler your response, or something like that.

The page crashes when people 'spoiler' a post which already contains a 'spoiler' tag, not because of long quotes/posts.

[RSCD3_]

Yeah after that debacle im putting him no higher than 3rd

[fuzzy_dunlop]

So I'm reading/listening to a surprising amount of people who have a much higher opinion of this Cavs team than I do, both in general and specifically in their capacity as a Warriors opponent.

What do you guys think is gonna happen in this series?

[Texas Chuck]

So I'm reading/listening to a surprising amount of people who have a much higher opinion of this Cavs team than I do, both in general and specifically in their capacity as a Warriors opponent.

What do you guys think is gonna happen in this series?

Warriors are a clear favorite and the better team especially if Kyrie continues to be limited. But Cleveland has Lebron James so nobody should be completely writing them off. He's that capable.

I'd predict Warriors in 6 assuming a somewhat limited Kyrie and a cleared Klay Thompson. They have 4 bodies to throw at Lebron so nobody has to get warn out/worry about fouls. And they've convinced me: this team is seriously legit. Only my respect for Lebron and what he is capable of makes me not call this a sweep, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was.

[Quotatious]

So I'm reading/listening to a surprising amount of people who have a much higher opinion of this Cavs team than I do, both in general and specifically in their capacity as a Warriors opponent.

What do you guys think is gonna happen in this series?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors won in 4. Yes, a sweep. LeBron is great and all, but it may be 2014 finals all over again, but even worse for LeBron's team (and 2015 James isn't as good as 2014, either).

Right now I would say Warriors in 5, but it might be a sweep. Cavs being able to win two games would really surprise me. Let's put it this way - I think Warriors in 4 is more likely than Warriors in 6.

[kayess]

So I'm reading/listening to a surprising amount of people who have a much higher opinion of this Cavs team than I do, both in general and specifically in their capacity as a Warriors opponent.

What do you guys think is gonna happen in this series?

Warriors are a clear favorite and the better team especially if Kyrie continues to be limited. But Cleveland has Lebron James so nobody should be completely writing them off. He's that capable.

I'd predict Warriors in 6 assuming a somewhat limited Kyrie and a cleared Klay Thompson. They have 4 bodies to throw at Lebron so nobody has to get warn out/worry about fouls. And they've convinced me: this team is seriously legit. Only my respect for Lebron and what he is capable of makes me not call this a sweep, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was.

Seconded. My mind tells me betting on Warriors in 4/5 is great, easy money, but I'm terrified of LeBron winning games by himself to extend the series.

[RSCD3_]

So I'm reading/listening to a surprising amount of people who have a much higher opinion of this Cavs team than I do, both in general and specifically in their capacity as a Warriors opponent.

What do you guys think is gonna happen in this series?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors won in 4. Yes, a sweep. LeBron is great and all, but it may be 2014 finals all over again, but even worse for LeBron's team (and 2015 James isn't as good as 2014, either).

Right now I would say Warriors in 5, but it might be a sweep. Cavs being able to win two games would really surprise me. Let's put it this way - I think Warriors in 4 is more likely than Warriors in 6.

So do you think this cavs team is roughly even with Houston in terms of strength?

[SideshowBob]

Finally, playoff performance through 3 rounds of the two finalists.

Warriors Postseason (15 G)

+10.9 SRS, +6.7 Offense, -4.7 Defense

Cavaliers Postseason (14 G)

+11.1 SRS, +8.6 Offense, -4.2 Defense

Cleveland has played an HCA adjusted schedule of +2.33 SRS, GSW has played an HCA adjusted schedule of +2.82 SRS. Cleveland faced the Bulls with Gasol missing some time and the Hawks with some injuries as well, though notably Love and Kyrie have been out and hobbled as well, while Smith missed two games. GSW played Memphis with Conley and Allen missing some time and not playing at 100%, and Curry missed time and played <100% in the most recent games due to his fall.

Cleveland has faced an average opponent ORTG of 107.1 and DRTG of 104.0. GSW has faced an average opponent ORTG of 106.8 and DRTG of 104.0. Cleveland has posted a +8.6 offense/-4.2 defense vs. their schedule, GSW has been at +6.7/-4.7. Overall, Cleveland has posted a +11.1 SRS through 14 games, GSW has posted a +10.9.