James Harden is a superstar

fallacy · Post #641 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:55 pm

Averaging 20 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds on 37% shooting and 24% 3pt shooting, since the first two games. I never thought I'd say this as long as Kobe and Melo were in the league, but Harden might be the least efficient max player that plays in the NBA.

Crazy how much a difference playing next to Westbrook and Durant make.

LarsV8 · Post #642 » by **LarsV8** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:24 pm

fallacy wrote:Averaging 20 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds on 37% shooting and 24% 3pt shooting, since the first two games. I never thought I'd say this as long as Kobe and Melo were in the league, but Harden might be the least efficient max player that plays in the NBA.

Crazy how much a difference playing next to Westbrook and Durant make.

Great point.

Averages DO indeed tend to go down when you take out the best games. An interesting followup point would to see what happens when we take out his two worst games. I am no econometrician but I believe we will find that this will make his averages go up.

fallacy · Post #643 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:28 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
fallacy wrote:Averaging 20 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds on 37% shooting and 24% 3pt shooting, since the first two games. I never thought I'd say this as long as Kobe and Melo were in the league, but Harden might be the least efficient max player that plays in the NBA.

Crazy how much a difference playing next to Westbrook and Durant make.

Great point.

Averages DO indeed tend to go down when you take out the best games. An interesting followup point would to see what happens when we take out his two worst games. I am no econometrician but I believe we will find that this will make his averages go up.

Dang, you're right. Adding in those two aberrations of games he is shooting an elite 43% from the field and 29% from three. He's easily the most efficient shooter in the NBA now including those game, Kevin Martin is going to call him up and ask how he shoots so well

Or maybe I'm making a legitimate point that the NBA has figured out how to defend him after those first two games on a new team, and how Harden has failed to show any adaptation to that?

Krodis · Post #644 » by **Krodis** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:44 pm

He's had games of 30 and 29 in the last week, I'm not sure how he's failed to show any adaptation. His numbers are being sunk by stinkers in games 4 and 5 (plus the most recent game with the flu) the same as they're being risen by his good first two games.

fallacy · Post #645 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:51 pm

Krodis wrote:He's had games of 30 and 29 in the last week, I'm not sure how he's failed to show any adaptation. His numbers are being sunk by stinkers in games 4 and 5 (plus the most recent game with the flu) the same as they're being risen by his good first two games.

He's shooting 41% in November. It's a good thing that free throws are still a thing, that accounts for nearly a third of all his points.

Krodis · Post #646 » by **Krodis** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:07 pm

Yes, free throws are a thing, and he's very good at getting to the rim and making them. Are you trying to hold that against him?

Despite his poor three point shooting he's still at .560 TS%. Certainly not up to his usual standards, but hardly terrible.

Russell Westbrook's at .493 btw, I guess he's terrible now?

fallacy · Post #647 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:15 pm

Krodis wrote:Yes, free throws are a thing, and he's very good at getting to the rim and making them. Are you trying to hold that against him?

Despite his poor three point shooting he's still at .560 TS%. Certainly not up to his usual standards, but hardly terrible.

Russell Westbrook's at .493 btw, I guess he's terrible now?

Westbrook is a bad efficiency shooter, Harden was supposed to be a great efficiency shooter. If Harden is expecting to barely have a better eFg% than Westbrook, he's going to be worth no where near his contract

Krodis · Post #648 » by **Krodis** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:15 pm

The on/off numbers for the Rockets are humorous. Harden and Asik are around neutral, but the rest of the starting lineup is at -10 or so.

Krodis · Post #649 » by **Krodis** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:18 pm

fallacy wrote:
Krodis wrote:Yes, free throws are a thing, and he's very good at getting to the rim and making them. Are you trying to hold that against him?

Despite his poor three point shooting he's still at .560 TS%. Certainly not up to his usual standards, but hardly terrible.

Russell Westbrook's at .493 btw, I guess he's terrible now?

Westbrook is a bad efficiency shooter, Harden was supposed to be a great efficiency shooter. If Harden is expecting to barely have a better eFg% than Westbrook, he's going to be worth no where near his contract

They have similar usage and Harden's TS% is almost 7% better. That's pretty significant.

You can't just exclude free throws. They count.

fallacy · Post #650 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:20 pm

Krodis wrote:
fallacy wrote:
Krodis wrote:Yes, free throws are a thing, and he's very good at getting to the rim and making them. Are you trying to hold that against him?

Despite his poor three point shooting he's still at .560 TS%. Certainly not up to his usual standards, but hardly terrible.

Russell Westbrook's at .493 btw, I guess he's terrible now?

Westbrook is a bad efficiency shooter, Harden was supposed to be a great efficiency shooter. If Harden is expecting to barely have a better eFg% than Westbrook, he's going to be worth no where near his contract

They have similar usage and Harden's TS% is almost 7% better. That's pretty significant.

You can't just exclude free throws. They count.

I'm talking about shooting from the field. If Harden is barely going to be a better shooter than Russell freakin Westbrook, he's going to be a huge bust.

Krodis · Post #651 » by **Krodis** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:22 pm

If Westbrook continues to be as bad of a shooter as he has been so far this year, he's going to be in more trouble than Harden.

But seriously, it's 11 games.

JDs_loot · Post #652 » by **JDs_loot** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:01 pm

I don't really think he does anything exceptionally well on the basketball court. He doesn't have a great jumpshot, handle, move to the basket, or feel for the game. I believe he gets paid as a superstar, but his play doesn't resemble that of a superstar.

Rapcity_11 · Post #653 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:03 pm

fallacy do yourself a favour and stop mentioning FG%. It's meaningless.

Rapcity_11 · Post #654 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:05 pm

JDs_loot wrote:I don't really think he does anything exceptionally well on the basketball court. He doesn't have a great jumpshot, handle, move to the basket, or feel for the game. I believe he gets paid as a superstar, but his play doesn't resemble that of a superstar.

What about drawing fouls and running the PnR? Pretty major things Harden's among the best at in the league.

fallacy · Post #655 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:11 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:fallacy do yourself a favour and stop mentioning FG%. It's meaningless.

I forgot that making shots in the run of play is meaningless. The NBA should just shoot free throws for 48 minutes to see who wins.

Your new top 5 NBA players:

Mo Williams
Kevin Martin
Kyle Lowry
Kawhi Leonard
Alonzo Gee

Rapcity_11 · Post #656 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:13 pm

fallacy wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:fallacy do yourself a favour and stop mentioning FG%. It's meaningless.

I forgot that making shots in the run of play is meaningless. The NBA should just shoot free throws for 48 minutes to see who wins.

What kind of response is that? Your edit makes it even more ridiculous.

Please explain how FG% has ANY use when we have eFG% and TS%?

fallacy · Post #657 » by **fallacy** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:17 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
fallacy wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:fallacy do yourself a favour and stop mentioning FG%. It's meaningless.

I forgot that making shots in the run of play is meaningless. The NBA should just shoot free throws for 48 minutes to see who wins.

What kind of response is that? Your edit makes it even more ridiculous.

Please explain how FG% has ANY use when we have eFG% and TS%?

eFg% and ts% are better than fg%, but that's not what you said originally. You said that fg% is worthless, it is not. The percentage of actual shots that are made in the run of play is a valuable statistic.

Harden's eFg% is terrible too, like i mentioned. The only thing that's saving him from being a bust right now is his free throws. That's not a knock on Harden, that's just the only thing he's really effective at right now.

thizznation · Post #658 » by **thizznation** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:20 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
fallacy wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:fallacy do yourself a favour and stop mentioning FG%. It's meaningless.

I forgot that making shots in the run of play is meaningless. The NBA should just shoot free throws for 48 minutes to see who wins.

What kind of response is that? Your edit makes it even more ridiculous.

Please explain how FG% has ANY use when we have eFG% and TS%?

Instead of showing him up and acting snoody you could just let him know the benefits of using eFG% and TS% when measuring a players efficiency...

Rapcity_11 · Post #659 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:21 pm

fallacy wrote:
eFg% and ts% are better than fg%, but that's not what you said originally. You said that fg% is worthless, it is not. The percentage of actual shots that are made in the run of play is a valuable statistic.

Harden's eFg% is terrible too, like i mentioned. The only thing that's saving him from being a bust right now is his free throws. That's not a knock on Harden, that's just the only thing he's really effective at right now.

Since we have eFG and TS that does in fact make FG% worthless. Please explain how it is a valuable statistic.

Rapcity_11 · Post #660 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:23 pm

thizznation wrote:Instead of showing him up and acting snoody you could just let him know the benefits of using eFG% and TS% when measuring a players efficiency...

I've seen a ton of his posts. He knows all about eFG and TS and uses them often. I'm not trying to show him up, it's a message board lol.