The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

[trickshot]

I wonder how much he left on the table. Lots of guys getting paid and he had a great season.

He saw KCP get paid after one playoff run with Lebron. he probably even begged the Lakers to let him play one season beside Bron

[letskissbro]

How much flexibility do the Lakers have at this point? I assume after they pay KCP they're pretty much locked into place, no?

[Dupp]

NOOOOOO WHAT THE F***. What a terrible signing are you kidding me. This dude Montrezl is straight buttcheeks oh my God. He's gonna literally cost us games with his defense in the playoffs my God. I'll never come around to this being a good signing. This guys gonna ruin the whole goddamn identity. He literally even seems like a s*** human being from the way he and PatBev conducted themselves. F*** this signing. I think this is absolutely a Ggigantic goddamn L for the Lakers

Damn chill

Nah f*** this signing lol. He's a loser we don't need that on the Lakers. It's fun being petty or whatever but he's not a 16 game player, straight up. And if he's not gonna be helpful in the playoffs why in the world would you sign him for that money and not someone like Ibaka who actually impacts defensively and can space the floor.

So dramatic.

Do agree about the Lakers defensive identity though. Great contract though, very movable. Kuzma + Harrell at the deadline has some appeal.

[Heej]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

[Dupp]

I wonder how much he left on the table. Lots of guys getting paid and he had a great season.

He saw KCP get paid after one playoff run with Lebron. he probably even begged the Lakers to let him play one season beside Bron

Kcp hasn’t been paid yet has he?

[xb3at band1tx]

Doc had Trezz guarding 5's like it was no big deal. Of course, he would look horrible guarding guys like Jokic lol

Bron and the staff will find a way to make it work

[Dupp]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

Gonna take a while for me to recover from that one

[MartinToVaught]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

Don't worry, you're not overreacting. Trez is legitimately unplayable in the postseason. He's undersized, can't defend, can't rebound and is just a hustle/energy player.

Of course, Vogel is an infinitely better coach than Doc, so Trez will spend most of the playoffs warming the bench. I doubt his ego will be able to handle that, though, so he'll probably start leaking negative stories about the Lakers' team chemistry to the media.

[Heej]

Doc had Trezz guarding 5's like it was no big deal. Of course, he would look horrible guarding guys like Jokic lol

Bron and the staff will find a way to make it work

The only position he can play on offense is 5. If he can't guard his position he's a liability. You want role players to space the floor for LeBron and AD. Now AD is gonna space the floor for Montrezl Harrell just to be serviceable, AND we have to make AD guard the 5? Trash. You don't want him in your closing lineup, and if that's the case what are you paying 10 mil a year for plus luxury tax costs. This is about optimal team building and opportunity cost.

We've seen plenty of LeBron teams run out of steam and that's because the GMs consistently made low-value adds every year, the issues with which compounded every year. You can't rely on vet minimum guys with zero continuity to plug in cracks that start to form lol.

[mademan]

Doc had Trezz guarding 5's like it was no big deal. Of course, he would look horrible guarding guys like Jokic lol

Bron and the staff will find a way to make it work

The only position he can play on offense is 5. If he can't guard his position he's a liability. You want role players to space the floor for LeBron and AD. Now AD is gonna space the floor for Montrezl Harrell just to be serviceable, AND we have to make AD guard the 5? Trash. You don't want him in your closing lineup, and if that's the case what are you paying 10 mil a year for plus luxury tax costs. This is about optimal team building and opportunity cost.

We've seen plenty of LeBron teams run out of steam and that's because the GMs consistently made low-value adds every year, the issues with which compounded every year. You can't rely on vet minimum guys with zero continuity to plug in cracks that start to form lol.

There's literally 1 player in the West he cant guard, and thats Jokic. He's fine in every other matchup. The year before, he was amazing against GSW and extended a series they had no business being in

[Heej]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

Don't worry, you're not overreacting. Trez is legitimately unplayable in the postseason. He's undersized, can't defend, can't rebound and is just a hustle/energy player.

Of course, Vogel is an infinitely better coach than Doc, so Trez will spend most of the playoffs warming the bench. I doubt his ego will be able to handle that, though, so he'll probably start leaking negative stories about the Lakers' team chemistry to the media.

Thank you lol. It's becoming more and more clear to me that people just refuse to catch up to the fact that there is a stark difference between what constitutes an 82-game player and a 16-game player. This guys about to be the ultimate litmus test of what my conception of optimal NBA lineup metagame is trending towards. Let's hope I fall flat on my face just like Greyhound did with his stupid Blazers predictions. Cuz otherwise this guys gonna cost us a championship in one of his 2 seasons on the Lakers.

[xb3at band1tx]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

Don't worry, you're not overreacting. Trez is legitimately unplayable in the postseason. He's undersized, can't defend, can't rebound and is just a hustle/energy player.

Of course, Vogel is an infinitely better coach than Doc, so Trez will spend most of the playoffs warming the bench. I doubt his ego will be able to handle that, though, so he'll probably start leaking negative stories about the Lakers' team chemistry to the media.

He's playing with LeBron James not mute Kawhi Leonard.

Bron has played with guys like this all the time, he'll fall in line especially with Rich Paul whispering in his ear.

[Heej]

Doc had Trezz guarding 5's like it was no big deal. Of course, he would look horrible guarding guys like Jokic lol

Bron and the staff will find a way to make it work

The only position he can play on offense is 5. If he can't guard his position he's a liability. You want role players to space the floor for LeBron and AD. Now AD is gonna space the floor for Montrezl Harrell just to be serviceable, AND we have to make AD guard the 5? Trash. You don't want him in your closing lineup, and if that's the case what are you paying 10 mil a year for plus luxury tax costs. This is about optimal team building and opportunity cost.

We've seen plenty of LeBron teams run out of steam and that's because the GMs consistently made low-value adds every year, the issues with which compounded every year. You can't rely on vet minimum guys with zero continuity to plug in cracks that start to form lol.

There's literally 1 player in the West he cant guard, and thats Jokic. He's fine in every other matchup. The year before, he was amazing against GSW and extended a series they had no business being in

Golden State wasn't even taking them seriously bro come on. And they were having weird identity issues with it finally morphing into KDs team and none of the guys on the OG Warriors squads liking that he was given more primacy than Steph. They got clapped once they fell in line behind KD and the Warriors took them seriously.

Edit: and another thing. The nuggets and Mavs are clearly gonna be the biggest threats to the Lakers these next 2 years. If Trez is gonna cost you the series against them that means he costs you a championship. Doesn't matter if it's 1 guy. If that's the guy you likely have to go thru in one of these next 2 seasons that means he's a liability for the entirety of his contract. That's the opportunity cost of this signing. You're gonna invest a lot of capital in a guy that will actively lower your odds of winning a championship.

[MartinToVaught]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

Don't worry, you're not overreacting. Trez is legitimately unplayable in the postseason. He's undersized, can't defend, can't rebound and is just a hustle/energy player.

Of course, Vogel is an infinitely better coach than Doc, so Trez will spend most of the playoffs warming the bench. I doubt his ego will be able to handle that, though, so he'll probably start leaking negative stories about the Lakers' team chemistry to the media.

He's playing with LeBron James not mute Kawhi Leonard.

Bron has played with guys like this all the time, he'll fall in line especially with Rich Paul whispering in his ear.

Maybe LeBron can keep Trez's ego in line, but his size and skillset are always going to be a problem no matter who he's playing with.

[xb3at band1tx]

The only position he can play on offense is 5. If he can't guard his position he's a liability. You want role players to space the floor for LeBron and AD. Now AD is gonna space the floor for Montrezl Harrell just to be serviceable, AND we have to make AD guard the 5? Trash. You don't want him in your closing lineup, and if that's the case what are you paying 10 mil a year for plus luxury tax costs. This is about optimal team building and opportunity cost.

We've seen plenty of LeBron teams run out of steam and that's because the GMs consistently made low-value adds every year, the issues with which compounded every year. You can't rely on vet minimum guys with zero continuity to plug in cracks that start to form lol.

There's literally 1 player in the West he cant guard, and thats Jokic. He's fine in every other matchup. The year before, he was amazing against GSW and extended a series they had no business being in

Golden State wasn't even taking them seriously bro come on. And they were having weird identity issues with it finally morphing into KDs team and none of the guys on the OG Warriors squads liking that he was given more primacy than Steph. They got clapped once they fell in line behind KD and the Warriors took them seriously.

Edit: and another thing. The nuggets and Mavs are clearly gonna be the biggest threats to the Lakers these next 2 years. If Trez is gonna cost you the series against them that means he costs you a championship. Doesn't matter if it's 1 guy. If that's the guy you likely have to go thru in one of these next 2 seasons that means he's a liability for the entirety of his contract.

Again, we've seen Vogel have a short leash on guys who become apparent liabilities, the end game has always been Davis at the 5.

DS and Trezz are gonna keep us afloat in this quick RS while LeBron can get some rest.

[mademan]

The only position he can play on offense is 5. If he can't guard his position he's a liability. You want role players to space the floor for LeBron and AD. Now AD is gonna space the floor for Montrezl Harrell just to be serviceable, AND we have to make AD guard the 5? Trash. You don't want him in your closing lineup, and if that's the case what are you paying 10 mil a year for plus luxury tax costs. This is about optimal team building and opportunity cost.

We've seen plenty of LeBron teams run out of steam and that's because the GMs consistently made low-value adds every year, the issues with which compounded every year. You can't rely on vet minimum guys with zero continuity to plug in cracks that start to form lol.

There's literally 1 player in the West he cant guard, and thats Jokic. He's fine in every other matchup. The year before, he was amazing against GSW and extended a series they had no business being in

Golden State wasn't even taking them seriously bro come on. And they were having weird identity issues with it finally morphing into KDs team and none of the guys on the OG Warriors squads liking that he was given more primacy than Steph. They got clapped once they fell in line behind KD and the Warriors took them seriously.

but youre out here giving context there but not to this year? Trez was awesome all year, had a break, had a family death, came back out of shape and stunk it up. He's a good player who does a lot of good things and is no where near as bad defensively as you think he is. He's for sure a positive defensive player and i imagine most stats will back that up.

Ya, he has problems with post players who are bigger than him, but Vogel benched his C's this season when they were in bad matchups. He'll do the same if it comes to it. Harrell is a huge + for the Lakers title hopes tho

[MartinToVaught]

Trez was awesome all year

At scoring regular-season points against bench players. Not at anything else. Fans and media were begging Doc all year to stop playing him more than Zubac for a reason.

[Fadeaway_J]

To everyone saying I'm overreacting: suck it. I really don't care. That dude is trash and a waste of money, we'll see in the long run who's right lmao. He simply does not fit the optimal metagame. Dudes just a rich man's Kenneth Faried and we saw how well that worked out for him

Don't worry, you're not overreacting. Trez is legitimately unplayable in the postseason. He's undersized, can't defend, can't rebound and is just a hustle/energy player.

Of course, Vogel is an infinitely better coach than Doc, so Trez will spend most of the playoffs warming the bench. I doubt his ego will be able to handle that, though, so he'll probably start leaking negative stories about the Lakers' team chemistry to the media.

Thank you lol. It's becoming more and more clear to me that people just refuse to catch up to the fact that there is a stark difference between what constitutes an 82-game player and a 16-game player. This guys about to be the ultimate litmus test of what my conception of optimal NBA lineup metagame is trending towards. Let's hope I fall flat on my face just like Greyhound did with his stupid Blazers predictions. Cuz otherwise this guys gonna cost us a championship in one of his 2 seasons on the Lakers.

The whole idea of "16-game players" came from a guy playing on arguably the most stacked team in history. Most teams, even championship teams, don't have a roster full of "16-game players". Hell, neither did the Warriors themselves actually!

I don't think it's a good use of resources, but I also don't see him playing enough high-leverage minutes to cost the Lakers a championship. They literally just won one by benching both of their regular season 5s for most of the playoffs.

[poopdamoop]

Weird amount of overreacting here. Harrell will be important in the RS given the short offseason, and he’ll play less in the POs. LeBron/AD will be the 4/5 with some mix of Schroeder, Caruso, Matthews, and KCP surrounding them in crunch time.

[mademan]

Trez was awesome all year

At scoring regular-season points against bench players. Not at anything else. Fans and media were begging Doc all year to stop playing him more than Zubac for a reason.

9th in his position at 2.34 RPM. 2.9 BPM

Most impact stats have him as an extremely good bench player. Raw stats just confirm it