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Post#661 » by Mos_Heat » Sun Nov 7, 2021 10:12 am

nzahir wrote:AD had a stomach bug or something?

I was watching UFC, much rather watch anything than this garbage

Russ is really awful

Caruso is legit a better overall winning player at this stage, insane to think

Pelinka, Bron, AD, Jeanie and whoever else really dropped the ball HARD

I'm losing hope

Would consider John Wall, House, and a 2nd for Russ, Monk, and DJ/Rondo if we need to save a spot

Could convince Wall to mostly run the 2nd unit?

Nunn, Bazemore, Ariza, Bron, AD
Wall, House, THT, Melo, Dwight
Ellington, Reaves

Westbrook + uprotected 1st + unprotected swaps to OKC is the only semi realistic trade I can see happening. Not now, during free agency
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Post#662 » by TroubleS0me » Sun Nov 7, 2021 11:16 am

Westbrook

1 - 13 FG
6 TOVs
62% from the FT Line

nothing but negatives
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Post#663 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Nov 7, 2021 11:43 am

nzahir wrote:AD had a stomach bug or something?

I was watching UFC, much rather watch anything than this garbage

Russ is really awful

Caruso is legit a better overall winning player at this stage, insane to think

Pelinka, Bron, AD, Jeanie and whoever else really dropped the ball HARD

I'm losing hope

Would consider John Wall, House, and a 2nd for Russ, Monk, and DJ/Rondo if we need to save a spot

Could convince Wall to mostly run the 2nd unit?

Nunn, Bazemore, Ariza, Bron, AD
Wall, House, THT, Melo, Dwight
Ellington, Reaves

Could you also convince the Rockets to take back Russ for no discernible reason? :lol:

It's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic anyway.
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Post#664 » by homecourtloss » Sun Nov 7, 2021 5:05 pm

Only thing that is encouraging is that LeBron + AD with spacing has been incredibly difficult to defend. If Ariza can be Ariza of last year, there’s something there with one more defensive player who can shoot.

LeBron+Melo ON court (106 minutes): 123.8 ORtg, 106.6 DRtg

LeBron, 67.0% eFG, 69.3% TS
Carmelo, 78.6% eFG, 79.0% TS
ADavis, 73.7% eFG, 78.3% TS
Howard, 80.0% eFG, 78.6% TS
Bazemore, 50% eFG, 62.5% TS
Monk, 50% eFG, 56.7% TS
Reaves, 75.0% eFG, 79.2% TS
Westbrook, 26.1% eFG, 28.0% TS

Sadly, looks like nothing helps Westbrook.

Also really disappointed in AD’s defense these past three seasons sans early 2020 season and the bubble.
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Post#665 » by ShotCreator » Sun Nov 7, 2021 5:49 pm

nzahir wrote:AD had a stomach bug or something?

I was watching UFC, much rather watch anything than this garbage

Russ is really awful

Caruso is legit a better overall winning player at this stage, insane to think

Pelinka, Bron, AD, Jeanie and whoever else really dropped the ball HARD

I'm losing hope

Would consider John Wall, House, and a 2nd for Russ, Monk, and DJ/Rondo if we need to save a spot

Could convince Wall to mostly run the 2nd unit?

Nunn, Bazemore, Ariza, Bron, AD
Wall, House, THT, Melo, Dwight
Ellington, Reaves

As someone who had high hopes for Wall/Wood/Harden core and really focused in on all 3 for a season, John Wall is Westbrook with amazing PR.

Critically low BBIQ and bad habits. Gambling, shot selection really poor, and most importantly, a far more narrow range of passes he’s even willing to attempt, let alone complete compared to Russ.

Completely unimpressed with the raw core to his game despite injuries slowing him down.

Chris Paul and Jason Kidd were the real McCoys. The real mini LeBron, ridiculous BBIQ two way stud playmakers. Useful and impactful until they’re physically disabled out there.

When athleticism drops it really exposes the stat padders for the low impact bad habits that was always there at peak.
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Post#666 » by trickshot » Sun Nov 7, 2021 5:58 pm

homecourtloss wrote:Only thing that is encouraging is that LeBron + AD with spacing has been incredibly difficult to defend. If Ariza can be Ariza of last year, there’s something there with one more defensive player who can shoot.

LeBron+Melo ON court (106 minutes): 123.8 ORtg, 106.6 DRtg

LeBron, 67.0% eFG, 69.3% TS
Carmelo, 78.6% eFG, 79.0% TS
ADavis, 73.7% eFG, 78.3% TS
Howard, 80.0% eFG, 78.6% TS
Bazemore, 50% eFG, 62.5% TS
Monk, 50% eFG, 56.7% TS
Reaves, 75.0% eFG, 79.2% TS
Westbrook, 26.1% eFG, 28.0% TS

Sadly, looks like nothing helps Westbrook.

Also really disappointed in AD’s defense these past three seasons sans early 2020 season and the bubble.

I mean they had frontrow seats in their 2020 run to evidence that Westbrook's efficiency didn't necessarily go up with space. You can't make a player better if they have no supplementary scoring skill.

I think the worst thing however is his cancerous defense. Look at this play.
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=175&GameID=0022100138&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=MISS%20Little%2024%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot&sct=plot

What if I told you the guy taking the 3 was Westbrook's assignment. It isn't obvious because he had lost him alone a whole 10 seconds into the possession to go stand in the paint. By the end of the play Westbrook is the furthest Laker from his own closeout assignment. Stats might even think it was Carmelo's closeout because the possession ends with him as the closest body while Westbrook remains in no man's land. This is the insanity of Russel Westbrook.
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Post#667 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Nov 7, 2021 8:57 pm

Read on Twitter


Season would be basically over if this timeline turns out to be true.
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Post#668 » by McBubbles » Sun Nov 7, 2021 9:27 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
Read on Twitter


Season would be basically over if this timeline turns out to be true.


No more playoffs then. Noice.
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Post#669 » by trickshot » Sun Nov 7, 2021 9:31 pm

watching Harden more and more there's some credibility to the notion that the new rules make him more guardable. Have never seen defenders stick to him this close with confidence. Lakers really had to go ditch their defensive identity right when the new rules empowered individual defense. This is the kind of foresight a GM should have an eye on in teambuilding rather than acquiesce to all of their star's asks. I thought they did a decent job before that.
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Post#670 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Nov 7, 2021 9:33 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
Read on Twitter


Season would be basically over if this timeline turns out to be true.

This is the kind of situation Russ is supposed to help mitigate. If the team just falls apart when LeBron isn't there, what was the point of that trade and all the attendant costs?

(Spoiler alert: I don't expect Russ to help mitigate the situation.)
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Post#671 » by falcolombardi » Sun Nov 7, 2021 10:02 pm

in lesa depressing news i was watching some old lebron games.

2009 vs orlando and 2013 vs spurs (game 6)

to my surprise i came from the 2009 game thinking that cavs team didnt spam lebron ball enough. in offense, for all the narratives against lebron he had way too many possesions without tpuching the ball while mo Williams or delante west spammed isos, Drove into howard in the paint or pounded the air of the ball before passing

lebron actually was fairly Active cutting and mpving while mo and delonte dribbled and dribled

the 2013 one was interesting, lebron was fairly 2011 dallas'd in the first half and my impression of it was that the spurs packed paint made him hesitant to Drive and he was límited to rondo'ing in half court as he was reluctant to shoot

then wade gets injured and lebron goes off in the small ball lineup with birdman, battier, miller, chalmers which makes a great run, lebron is really agressive in both ends and pulls the heat ahead

after 2013 i think lebron stopped hesitating against packed paints with his shot and for my memory cannot think of may defense that slowed him down again

pd:any one knows where to find the game 6 vs boston in 2012? cannot find that game anywhere online
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Post#672 » by McBubbles » Mon Nov 8, 2021 1:05 am

falcolombardi wrote:in lesa depressing news i was watching some old lebron games.

2009 vs orlando and 2013 vs spurs (game 6)

to my surprise i came from the 2009 game thinking that cavs team didnt spam lebron ball enough. in offense, for all the narratives against lebron he had way too many possesions without tpuching the ball while mo Williams or delante west spammed isos, Drove into howard in the paint or pounded the air of the ball before passing

lebron actually was fairly Active cutting and mpving while mo and delonte dribbled and dribled

the 2013 one was interesting, lebron was fairly 2011 dallas'd in the first half and my impression of it was that the spurs packed paint made him hesitant to Drive and he was límited to rondo'ing in half court as he was reluctant to shoot

then wade gets injured and lebron goes off in the small ball lineup with birdman, battier, miller, chalmers which makes a great run, lebron is really agressive in both ends and pulls the heat ahead

after 2013 i think lebron stopped hesitating against packed paints with his shot and for my memory cannot think of may defense that slowed him down again

pd:any one knows where to find the game 6 vs boston in 2012? cannot find that game anywhere online


I'm happy you also noticed this. That series was the first time I went from a basketball lurker who just looked at stat sheets and highlights to watching actual full games (not live, I only got into basketball around 2011) and I remember being excited to see how super duper crazy and active LeBron was as an offensive player.

Then I did, and my first thought was "What the ****? Why isn't LeBron dominating the ball on literally every possession? Every non-LeBron initiated play is a waste of time. Are all full games like this, not what I expected :-? "
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Post#673 » by falcolombardi » Mon Nov 8, 2021 1:17 am

granted there are valid reasons to not pverdo your best player every play, mostly tiredness

but it still felt like way too many possesions where delonte or mo would dribble for 10 seconds and then take a tough shot or Drive

anyway what actually killed the cavs that series was not being able to stop orlando offense so is whatever i guess
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Post#674 » by 70sFan » Mon Nov 8, 2021 8:04 am

falcolombardi wrote:after 2013 i think lebron stopped hesitating against packed paints with his shot and for my memory cannot think of may defense that slowed him down again


Well, frontcourts used to be bigger back then than since 2015. James had to face some massive frontcourts (KG/Perkins, Duncan/Splitter, West/Hibbert) and that's simply not the case after 2013.
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Post#675 » by Gooner » Mon Nov 8, 2021 8:40 am

LeBron's injury means you will see a better version of Westbrook because he needs the ball as much as possible. Lakers won't be awful but you can only go so far with Westbrook running the show, especially now when he is declining a bit.
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Post#676 » by loveandbeer » Mon Nov 8, 2021 3:24 pm

Gooner wrote:LeBron's injury means you will see a better version of Westbrook because he needs the ball as much as possible. Lakers won't be awful but you can only go so far with Westbrook running the show, especially now when he is declining a bit.


Seems he had the ball all to himself in that 1-13 game...
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Post#677 » by MisterHibachi » Mon Nov 8, 2021 3:29 pm

The Warriors being good again is about just as annoying as the Lakers being bad.
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Post#678 » by Gooner » Mon Nov 8, 2021 6:34 pm

loveandbeer wrote:
Gooner wrote:LeBron's injury means you will see a better version of Westbrook because he needs the ball as much as possible. Lakers won't be awful but you can only go so far with Westbrook running the show, especially now when he is declining a bit.


Seems he had the ball all to himself in that 1-13 game...


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Post#679 » by trickshot » Mon Nov 8, 2021 6:42 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:The Warriors being good again is about just as annoying as the Lakers being bad.

Nah those guys are good to watch. Lakers should have been able to handle easy without poor decisions. As bad as Westbrook has been they could have still been juggernauts with him if they didn't waste signings on DJ, Ellington, Monk, Nunn etc. Asides Jordan that's 4 guys of the same mould. Even Melo, the best of the bunch is no guarantee to be playoff-viable. That's 6 guys who Vogel could eventually bench in a playoff series if he had options. I'm not saying they are all bad signings but rather that they shouldn't all be on the same team.

I however think Lebron and AD are so good they literally need only 2-3 minimum guys to fix the roster. Freaking Avery Bradley looks serviceable. Like bring Matthews and his broken jumpshot back and another 2 way player and they will be back to taking scalps when Ariza and THT return. This isn't a particular tough year to win if Kyrie doesn't come back.
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Post#680 » by dcstanley » Mon Nov 8, 2021 8:40 pm

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MisterHibachi wrote:The Warriors being good again is about just as annoying as the Lakers being bad.

Nah those guys are good to watch. Lakers should have been able to handle easy without poor decisions. As bad as Westbrook has been they could have still been juggernauts with him if they didn't waste signings on DJ, Ellington, Monk, Nunn etc. Asides Jordan that's 4 guys of the same mould. Even Melo, the best of the bunch is no guarantee to be playoff-viable. That's 6 guys who Vogel could eventually bench in a playoff series if he had options. I'm not saying they are all bad signings but rather that they shouldn't all be on the same team.

I however think Lebron and AD are so good they literally need only 2-3 minimum guys to fix the roster. Freaking Avery Bradley looks serviceable. Like bring Matthews and his broken jumpshot back and another 2 way player and they will be back to taking scalps when Ariza and THT return. This isn't a particular tough year to win if Kyrie doesn't come back.

Nunn could be very useful. Can shoot off the dribble, adequate spot-up shooter, and isn't hopeless on the defensive end. I think he's a better player and fit than Schroeder was. Unfortunately, gonna have to part ways with him if this team is serious about getting better since he's one of the only players making above the minimum.

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