2023-24 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#661 » by The-Power » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:26 pm

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The-Power wrote:I know it's a different topic entirely and I might be alone on this one, too. But watching Markelle Fultz glide over the court with the ball in his hands is legitimately one of the most joyous things to watch in basketball. It's such a shame he forgot to shoot and never recovered or else he would have been an awesome player. Still happy and impressed that he found a way back as a contributor after he had peak yips.


The magic have so many interesting players to watch. Rooting for suggs too with an uneven start to his career.

Yeah, Suggs is fun to watch as well. Just full of intensity. I'm glad he's so far accepting this role considering he was quite cocky coming out of college. If he continues to play this way while hitting enough shots (and staying healthy of course), he'll be a winning player for a while.

I really like the Magic, too, but the offense is so obviously flawed. Their starting line-up has basically zero strong shooters, only one capable shooter, three very limited shooters and one non-shooter basically. That's just not going to cut it in today's NBA. Their key bench pieces are a bit better but still nothing special (Harris is good, Cole has to be respected but needs space to get his shot off, and then you have two very limited shooters and whatever current Ingles ends up being).

But it's fun to watch them play tough on defense, the size they have, and the positive playmakers all around. It's just that for the playmaking to really be on display you'll eventually have to add more shooting to the team. As it is, it's very difficult for me to trust their set-up to succeed despite the obvious talent they have.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#662 » by parsnips33 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:27 pm

Harden trade saving me from making some truly ridiculous proclamations on the Warriors...

Stay tuned
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#663 » by clearlynotjesse » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:34 pm

I love washed star team-ups. My favorite genre of team for sure.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#664 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:59 pm

Interesting thing about the Clippers now:

All 4 stars were Southern California high school prospects at around the same time, and now they're going to play in LA together.

Would be poetic if they led the Clippers finally to the promised land, though I must acknowledge I have major concerns about fit, to say nothing of health.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#665 » by AEnigma » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:43 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Harden trade saving me from making some truly ridiculous proclamations on the Warriors...

Stay tuned

If you call yourself the title favourites so long as your core rotation stays healthy, then you have nothing to lose.

I loved (well, hated, but in a complimentary way) the Chris Paul move, but you cannot count on him to last four rounds.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#666 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:44 pm

Two years ago the Grizzlies were amazing without Morant, last year ok, this year awful, latest example of my issue with using how teams play when a star is injured to evaluate them, it's affected by subtle things things like Tyus skillset working better for them than Smart, having multiple big man injuries at same time can go a long way, maybe Morant suspension in the summer allowed teams to gameplan for the Griz this year, etc.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#667 » by parsnips33 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:03 pm

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parsnips33 wrote:Harden trade saving me from making some truly ridiculous proclamations on the Warriors...

Stay tuned

If you call yourself the title favourites so long as your core rotation stays healthy, then you have nothing to lose.

I loved (well, hated, but in a complimentary way) the Chris Paul move, but you cannot count on him to last four rounds.


Hopefully a lower minute load helps to keep him fresh, but yeah this story tends to ends the same way every time
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#668 » by Bidofo » Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:59 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Two years ago the Grizzlies were amazing without Morant, last year ok, this year awful, latest example of my issue with using how teams play when a star is injured to evaluate them, it's affected by subtle things things like Tyus skillset working better for them than Smart, having multiple big man injuries at same time can go a long way, maybe Morant suspension in the summer allowed teams to gameplan for the Griz this year, etc.

I don't think this Grizzlies team would be an effective supporting argument for your point. Like you said, they have a plethora of injuries that makes comparisons to prior seasons unfair. You can literally field a starting 5 of their injured players that's better than their current starting 5.

I still think there is something to be learned about both Ja AND Jones considering the Grizzlies' performance over the years. And Jones' production to this point seems in line with what you'd expect from his promotion to starter fwiw, though it sucks to see him languishing on such a selfish team lol
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#669 » by The-Power » Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:22 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Two years ago the Grizzlies were amazing without Morant, last year ok, this year awful, latest example of my issue with using how teams play when a star is injured to evaluate them, it's affected by subtle things things like Tyus skillset working better for them than Smart, having multiple big man injuries at same time can go a long way, maybe Morant suspension in the summer allowed teams to gameplan for the Griz this year, etc.

Eh, it's only been four games and three losses came against playoff teams (although, granted, at home). It's too early to draw conclusions (and losing Adams and a couple other players didn't help either).
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#670 » by Special_Puppy » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:54 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Harden trade saving me from making some truly ridiculous proclamations on the Warriors...

Stay tuned

Warriors Getting the First Seed in the West? I think that's pretty reasonable tbh. Obviously they are being helped by Steph shooting insanely well so far (and that's almost certainly going to fade) back to historical averages, but they are going to be a very good regular season team
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#671 » by parsnips33 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:27 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:Harden trade saving me from making some truly ridiculous proclamations on the Warriors...

Stay tuned

Warriors Getting the First Seed in the West? I think that's pretty reasonable tbh. Obviously they are being helped by Steph shooting insanely well so far (and that's almost certainly going to fade) back to historical averages, but they are going to be a very good regular season team


Regular season has nothing to do with what's got me so excited about this year's team

Granted, they seem to have a much higher floor than last season
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#672 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 1, 2023 1:51 am

Doctor MJ wrote:Interesting thing about the Clippers now:

All 4 stars were Southern California high school prospects at around the same time, and now they're going to play in LA together.

Would be poetic if they led the Clippers finally to the promised land, though I must acknowledge I have major concerns about fit, to say nothing of health.


I hope they fail, lol. I'm all about it.
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Post#673 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 4:07 am

It's still ridiculous how good Draymond is on defense...Zion couldn't do anything with him last night:

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#674 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 4:09 am

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Doctor MJ wrote:Interesting thing about the Clippers now:

All 4 stars were Southern California high school prospects at around the same time, and now they're going to play in LA together.

Would be poetic if they led the Clippers finally to the promised land, though I must acknowledge I have major concerns about fit, to say nothing of health.


I hope they fail, lol. I'm all about it.


I'm not too high on them. 4 guys who need the ball and 3 of them are injury prone at this point in their careers.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#675 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 1, 2023 10:24 am

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tsherkin wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:Interesting thing about the Clippers now:

All 4 stars were Southern California high school prospects at around the same time, and now they're going to play in LA together.

Would be poetic if they led the Clippers finally to the promised land, though I must acknowledge I have major concerns about fit, to say nothing of health.


I hope they fail, lol. I'm all about it.


I'm not too high on them. 4 guys who need the ball and 3 of them are injury prone at this point in their careers.


I just dont like them. Loads of talent, very frail. And I cant say I like Harden much, skilled even though he is.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#676 » by eminence » Wed Nov 1, 2023 11:01 am

Rough one for the Suns to not close out last night, when you have a chance to grab a win with only one of your top 3 suited up it'd be nice to get it. Unless they have a miracle health run I just don't see a high seed there, and it's damn tough to go deep in the playoffs as a 6-8 seed.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#677 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:25 pm

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tsherkin wrote:
I hope they fail, lol. I'm all about it.


I'm not too high on them. 4 guys who need the ball and 3 of them are injury prone at this point in their careers.


I just dont like them. Loads of talent, very frail. And I cant say I like Harden much, skilled even though he is.


It's interesting how superstars and GMs keep trying to stack teams full of big-name players when it's largely shown to not work very well. Just stacking a whole bunch of marquee names makes for good First Take discourse but seldom leads to championships especially when said names have already passed their primes.
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Post#678 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:35 pm



Jump to 6:03 in the video if you want to see highlights of the spurs 4th quarter comeback. I missed a good one!
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#679 » by Colbinii » Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:42 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
I'm not too high on them. 4 guys who need the ball and 3 of them are injury prone at this point in their careers.


I just dont like them. Loads of talent, very frail. And I cant say I like Harden much, skilled even though he is.


It's interesting how superstars and GMs keep trying to stack teams full of big-name players when it's largely shown to not work very well. Just stacking a whole bunch of marquee names makes for good First Take discourse but seldom leads to championships especially when said names have already passed their primes.


Do you think LAC decreased their title odds with this trade?

What title odds increase does an unprotected 1st in 4 years carry?
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#680 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Nov 1, 2023 2:47 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
I'm not too high on them. 4 guys who need the ball and 3 of them are injury prone at this point in their careers.


I just dont like them. Loads of talent, very frail. And I cant say I like Harden much, skilled even though he is.


It's interesting how superstars and GMs keep trying to stack teams full of big-name players when it's largely shown to not work very well. Just stacking a whole bunch of marquee names makes for good First Take discourse but seldom leads to championships especially when said names have already passed their primes.

It's the lazy way out for a front office and coaching staff that stubbornly refuses to take the draft seriously, develop talent, or construct an actual team instead of a collection of players. Just put a bunch of 35-year-olds together and sell tickets to casual fans en route to a first-round exit. :noway:
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