2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[LukaTheGOAT]

League average ts% is up to 55.5%.

Ortg is up to 108.9 which is the 4th highest ever.

RIP new defense era October 2021-November 2021

[falcolombardi]

League average ts% is up to 55.5%.

Ortg is up to 108.9 which is the 4th highest ever.

RIP new defense era October 2021-November 2021

that is barely higher than the average season between 1980 - 1996 as far as ortg goes, and only a bit higher in true shooting

nothingh particularly out of the normal

in fact it would be weird if after all the revolution. in spacing and shot profiles teams still couldnt score a bit better than previous eras, it would mean defenses today are by far the best ever (which, imo they are in a vacuum, but not by that amount)

[LukaTheGOAT]

League average ts% is up to 55.5%.

Ortg is up to 108.9 which is the 4th highest ever.

RIP new defense era October 2021-November 2021

that is barely higher than the average season between 1980 - 1996 as far as ortg goes, and only a bit higher in true shooting

nothingh particularly out of the normal

in fact it would be weird if after all the revolution. in spacing and shot profiles teams still couldnt score a bit better than previous eras, it would mean defenses today are by far the best ever (which, imo they are in a vacuum, but not by that amount)

The average TS% was at 54.2% or so at the very beginning of the season, so to me that is a very notable jump.

[falcolombardi]

League average ts% is up to 55.5%.

Ortg is up to 108.9 which is the 4th highest ever.

RIP new defense era October 2021-November 2021

that is barely higher than the average season between 1980 - 1996 as far as ortg goes, and only a bit higher in true shooting

nothingh particularly out of the normal

in fact it would be weird if after all the revolution. in spacing and shot profiles teams still couldnt score a bit better than previous eras, it would mean defenses today are by far the best ever (which, imo they are in a vacuum, but not by that amount)

The average TS% was at 54.2% or so at the very beginning of the season, so to me that is a very notable jump.

to be expected of a league with much more spacing that replaced long 2's with 3's

as í said it would be really weird if offenses were not scoring better with all the objective optimización that has been done

it would mean that current defenders are -leagues- above older defenders, and while i think modern defenses in a vacuum are better than ever, i dont think they are by that huge of an extent

also scoring tends to be lower early on for any given season,and even more so in a season that introduced defensive reading changes, a new ball, a return to fans in the stands, etc

[falcolombardi]

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i wonder if in the future draymond impact will be more apreciated, cause right now curry is kinda overshadowing him among the general public

very few people are realizing warriors success is coming more from the defensive end than the offensive one, or how their great defense was almost as good as their offense in average, even in the durant years

low key one of the best "sidekicks" in history when considering his defensive impact is fully additive and doesnt take anythingh away in portability issues

scottie pippen is one of the best second stars ever for similar reasons (less defense impact, but more offensive)

[eminence]

Hope we can get a similar video on the Jazz's offense from Ben.

Looney protecting the legacy

What was that inbound from Dray, lol.

[yoyoboy]

Well tonight might not help Luka's already poor +/- numbers. Anyone who's been watching the Mavs more closely this season wanna provide some insight there? Is it mostly just noise at this point or is there genuine concern to be had over Luka's play not lifting his teammates as much as you'd expect?

[ShotCreator]

Jokic is a defensive positioning god, on top of everything else. Unbelievable.


If he were decently explosive he’d be a DPOY contender.

Probably the best hands in the pick and roll with Draymond, which helps him have elite pick and roll D numbers, is near the top of the league at rim defense volume, and looking like the best defensive rebounder since, Howard? Maybe KG?

Simultaneously.

[GSP]

Jokic is a defensive positioning god, on top of everything else. Unbelievable.


If he were decently explosive he’d be a DPOY contender.

Probably the best hands in the pick and roll with Draymond, which helps him have elite pick and roll D numbers, is near the top of the league at rim defense volume, and looking like the best defensive rebounder since, Howard? Maybe KG?

Simultaneously.

Marc Gasol wasnt anymore explosive or athletic and was a Dpoy contender

[Statlanta]

Nobody really talking about how the Warriors offense is a turnover machine and that their best players are turnover prone or how much of a legacy issue that it's been under Steve Kerr(those who understand NBA 2K know what the term legacy issues mean).

All this talk about the Warriors finding the right veteran players for their system yet they are top 2 in turnovers.

[Statlanta]

Jokic is a defensive positioning god, on top of everything else. Unbelievable.


If he were decently explosive he’d be a DPOY contender.

Probably the best hands in the pick and roll with Draymond, which helps him have elite pick and roll D numbers, is near the top of the league at rim defense volume, and looking like the best defensive rebounder since, Howard? Maybe KG?

Simultaneously.

I think Jokic vs. Antetokounmpo should be an honest discussion defensively at this moment.

[yoyoboy]

Jokic makes basketball looks so absurdly easy.

[Colbinii]

Jokic makes basketball looks so absurdly easy.

It is comical.

24/17/7 on 12 shots, +28 in 23 minutes.

[ShotCreator]

Jokic is a defensive positioning god, on top of everything else. Unbelievable.


If he were decently explosive he’d be a DPOY contender.

Probably the best hands in the pick and roll with Draymond, which helps him have elite pick and roll D numbers, is near the top of the league at rim defense volume, and looking like the best defensive rebounder since, Howard? Maybe KG?

Simultaneously.

Marc Gasol wasnt anymore explosive or athletic and was a Dpoy contender

And he really shouldn’t have been. Tony Allen peaked higher than him defensively.

[Peregrine01]

Jokic just toys with Trez. I find the Nuggets sometimes gets bored with feeding Jokic the ball and then ends up with several empty possessions in a row. They really don't have the luxury to do that.

[GSP]

Jokic is a defensive positioning god, on top of everything else. Unbelievable.


If he were decently explosive he’d be a DPOY contender.

Probably the best hands in the pick and roll with Draymond, which helps him have elite pick and roll D numbers, is near the top of the league at rim defense volume, and looking like the best defensive rebounder since, Howard? Maybe KG?

Simultaneously.

I think Jokic vs. Antetokounmpo should be an honest discussion defensively at this moment.

If you actually believe that do you think Jokic is having a Goat peak right now? B/c his offense is otherwordly

[falcolombardi]

i am fairly sure if jokic defense was comparable impactful to giannis while his offensive is presumably a lot better, he would be running away from giannis in impact métrics

last i saw those posted giannis was still close to jokic

[Texas Chuck]

Well tonight might not help Luka's already poor +/- numbers. Anyone who's been watching the Mavs more closely this season wanna provide some insight there? Is it mostly just noise at this point or is there genuine concern to be had over Luka's play not lifting his teammates as much as you'd expect?

The games hurts his +/- stats which is just another reason why we need to be careful how we use them, but there are no Luka takeways for me. Charlotte couldn't give a rat's behind about playing defense and Dallas shot like 75% from 3 in the first half. It was just making the wide open shots Charlotte was giving them.

Now has Luka been as good this year as the previous 2 years? Nope. Out of shape and injured. Am I particularly concerned about if he's really that great? Not yet. So far we've seen the best age 19 season ever. The best age 20 season ever that also had him leading a pretty mediocre collection of talent to the most efficient offense of all-time. Then in two playoff series against two superstars and a team full of guys who on paper should match up well, the Mavs won the minutes when all of Kawhi, PG, and Luka were on the court.

I think he does plenty to lift his team. Now he's not yet an MVP level player despite the hype the last two pre-seasons about him being among the favorites. So he doesn't have Steph/Jokic/Lebron/Giannis lift. He doesn't have KD/Harden/Embiid type lift either. So if the question is should we be disappointed because we got really excited about how fast he was great? Maybe yes. With reasonable expectations of a player's growth on a limited roster with a let's say questionable coaching staff? I'm not worried about him.

And the Mavs most consistent player has been Jalen Brunson which further hurts on/off stuff because Jalen is on for all the minutes he's off. And there is not much difference between the starters and bench outside KP. Maxi is as good as Dorian. THJ is as good as Bullock. Any center off the bench is as good as Dwight Powell etc... Dallas has no top end talent outside Luka, but is deep with guys who are rotation worthy.

[ShotCreator]

Jokic just toys with Trez. I find the Nuggets sometimes gets bored with feeding Jokic the ball and then ends up with several empty possessions in a row. They really don't have the luxury to do that.

Ive seen Jokic’ season and hype just boiled down to just “boxscore stuffing”. If you watch literally shy game. Any. Not even his absolute best(which are hard to differentiate than his usual, literally), you will see this guy is not playing gimmicky, or unsustainable ball on any level.

You pretty much just said it. He leaves PTT PTS/AST/REB on the table if anything. In the trip to SA, Denver just went long random amounts of time without feeding him. It’s not like it takes him burning tones of energy to be effective. Half his assists are at a stand still. They could at least give him constant touches in half court.

He is as good as his stats. Literally no deception, no outlier circumstance. He is just this good. And it’s obvious when you watch him.

[falcolombardi]

Well tonight might not help Luka's already poor +/- numbers. Anyone who's been watching the Mavs more closely this season wanna provide some insight there? Is it mostly just noise at this point or is there genuine concern to be had over Luka's play not lifting his teammates as much as you'd expect?

The games hurts his +/- stats which is just another reason why we need to be careful how we use them, but there are no Luka takeways for me. Charlotte couldn't give a rat's behind about playing defense and Dallas shot like 75% from 3 in the first half. It was just making the wide open shots Charlotte was giving them.

Now has Luka been as good this year as the previous 2 years? Nope. Out of shape and injured. Am I particularly concerned about if he's really that great? Not yet. So far we've seen the best age 19 season ever. The best age 20 season ever that also had him leading a pretty mediocre collection of talent to the most efficient offense of all-time. Then in two playoff series against two superstars and a team full of guys who on paper should match up well, the Mavs won the minutes when all of Kawhi, PG, and Luka were on the court.

I think he does plenty to lift his team. Now he's not yet an MVP level player despite the hype the last two pre-seasons about him being among the favorites. So he doesn't have Steph/Jokic/Lebron/Giannis lift. He doesn't have KD/Harden/Embiid type lift either. So if the question is should we be disappointed because we got really excited about how fast he was great? Maybe yes. With reasonable expectations of a player's growth on a limited roster with a let's say questionable coaching staff? I'm not worried about him.

And the Mavs most consistent player has been Jalen Brunson which further hurts on/off stuff because Jalen is on for all the minutes he's off. And there is not much difference between the starters and bench outside KP. Maxi is as good as Dorian. THJ is as good as Bullock. Any center off the bench is as good as Dwight Powell etc... Dallas has no top end talent outside Luka, but is deep with guys who are rotation worthy.

i feel like lebron 2005 season may be a better 19 years old season than 2019 luka, and same about 2006 lebron over 2020 luka (but that one could go either way, i just like the impact stats of lebron more)

but you are completely right beyond thst nitpick, luka has been insanely ahead of the pack at 20, 19, even 18 in europe that is premature to worry too much (yet) over a down year coming after a grueling shortened season + no full break cause olympics