2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[falcolombardi]

i am leaning jokic>curry>giannis>luka> butler right now in my poy i think

with a chancr of moving curry up for the team succes

[mikejames23]

Congrats to Warriors fans, well deserved 4th title. Props to Curry and co. for a fantastic run.

[yoyoboy]

Amazing performances by Curry, Wiggins, and Draymond.

[Lou Fan]

Man I love Curry what a great run from these Warriors

[sp6r=underrated]

Who's been a clearly above average offense in the playoffs?

I don't follow what you are saying.

If the Warriors have ranged from good to below average on O, it follows there must be teams (multiple) that have been better on O in the playoffs - who are they?

Cause if there isn't anyone who's been better (multiple really), your description isn't accurate.

There aren't balanced schedules in the post-season so you can't simply rank clubs by ORTG.

[Colbinii]

i am leaning jokic>curry>giannis>luka> butler right now in my poy i think

with a chancr of moving curry up for the team succes

I'm pretty set in my top 3 with Jokic > Giannis > Curry but haven't settled on 4 and 5 yet.

[sp6r=underrated]

I've lived in the Bay Area and am saving up to move. I truly hate the Bay Area culture due to the housing crisis that exists to prop up incumbent homeowners.

Congrats Warriors fans. Hopefully we can repeal prop 13 to make you pay your fair share of taxes

[The High Cyde]

Curry might be hard to keep out of the top 10 by the end of his career. This win makes him top 15 no doubt though, just a spectacular player. His ability to keep attacking is akin to a shark getting a sniff of blood and going straight for the belly, it’s a small but effective detail about him.

[MyUniBroDavis]

I don't follow what you are saying.

If the Warriors have ranged from good to below average on O, it follows there must be teams (multiple) that have been better on O in the playoffs - who are they?

Cause if there isn't anyone who's been better (multiple really), your description isn't accurate.

There aren't balanced schedules in the post-season so you can't simply rank clubs by ORTG.

The Warriors have literally played the defense that ate the suns and the defense that ate the entire eastern side of North America lol

[sp6r=underrated]

My NBA all time dynasty rankings has a clear top 3:
1. Russell era Boston/Chicago and now Golden State: you can make a great case for any of these clubs being #1. I wouldn't feel you are wrong if you pick 1 clearly.

Curry is going to go down as the 21st Century Russell.

[ronnymac2]

My NBA all time dynasty rankings has a clear top 3:
1. Russell era Boston/Chicago and now Golden State: you can make a great case for any of these clubs being #1. I wouldn't feel you are wrong if you pick 1 clearly.

Curry is going to go down as the 21st Century Russell.

SAS?

[JordansBulls]

Would have been interesting seeing Warriors vs Bucks with Middleton. Warriors got a huge break.

[RCM88x]

My NBA all time dynasty rankings has a clear top 3:
1. Russell era Boston/Chicago and now Golden State: you can make a great case for any of these clubs being #1. I wouldn't feel you are wrong if you pick 1 clearly.

Curry is going to go down as the 21st Century Russell.

SAS?

I don't know if SA really counts as a dynasty when another team 3-peated between two of their titles. They were also so errandic in their performance between those years too.

[Lou Fan]

Kerr has what 9 rings now? Russ better watch out.

[eminence]

I don't follow what you are saying.

If the Warriors have ranged from good to below average on O, it follows there must be teams (multiple) that have been better on O in the playoffs - who are they?

Cause if there isn't anyone who's been better (multiple really), your description isn't accurate.

There aren't balanced schedules in the post-season so you can't simply rank clubs by ORTG.

Any of us could run those numbers ourselves. I'm asking your opinion.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Bro really said the Warriors offense isn’t threatening I’m dead

[sp6r=underrated]

If the Warriors have ranged from good to below average on O, it follows there must be teams (multiple) that have been better on O in the playoffs - who are they?

Cause if there isn't anyone who's been better (multiple really), your description isn't accurate.

There aren't balanced schedules in the post-season so you can't simply rank clubs by ORTG.

The Warriors have literally played the defense that ate the suns and the defense that ate the entire eastern side of North America lol

You have to have every team in the post-season play every other team in the post-season in a series to evaluate which teams really have great ORTG for the post-season. Simply doing what you are doing doesn't satisfy me.

The people who want to rank the Warriors as ATG offensively or even great offensively this year are doing so on the basis of 2 series were their offense performed signifcantly above expectations (Dallas/Denver). The people like me who weigh the RS data heavily say you can't discard 82 games worth of data and 2 series were their expected ORTG mirrored their RS data. We see the 82 games of mediocre ORTG and 2 series were their ORTG mirrored the RS as a sign their offense wasn't anything special

Basically this is a proxy battle over the eternal fight: how heavily you should weigh the post-season?

I know I'm in the minority on this. Most people don't weight the RS but if you want to persuade you actually have to go at the full 82 games of data and explain to me why their offense never broke out. You have to explain to me why their ORTG vs Memphis/Boston was in line with the RS data.

[falcolombardi]

My NBA all time dynasty rankings has a clear top 3:
1. Russell era Boston/Chicago and now Golden State: you can make a great case for any of these clubs being #1. I wouldn't feel you are wrong if you pick 1 clearly.

Curry is going to go down as the 21st Century Russell.

SAS?

I don't know if SA really counts as a dynasty when another team 3-peated between two of their titles. They were also so errandic in their performance between those years too.

they won 3 titles in a 5 year stretch, and were a contender the other 2

that is definetely a dinasty

[sp6r=underrated]

Bro really said the Warriors offense isn’t threatening I’m dead

The Warriors from 2015 to 2019 had no problem regularly turning in dominant ORTG from beginning of the season. Why didn't this club?

Also stop creating strawmen. I never used that word.

[falcolombardi]

There aren't balanced schedules in the post-season so you can't simply rank clubs by ORTG.

The Warriors have literally played the defense that ate the suns and the defense that ate the entire eastern side of North America lol

You have to have every team in the post-season play every other team in the post-season in a series to evaluate which teams really have great ORTG for the post-season. Simply doing what you are doing doesn't satisfy me.

The people who want to rank the Warriors as ATG offensively or even great offensively this year are doing so on the basis of 2 series were their offense performed signifcantly above expectations (Dallas/Denver). The people like me who weigh the RS data heavily say you can't discard 82 games worth of data and 2 series were their expected ORTG mirrored their RS data. We see the 82 games of mediocre ORTG and 2 series were their ORTG mirrored the RS as a sign their offense wasn't anything special

Basically this is a proxy battle over the eternal fight: how heavily you should weigh the post-season?

I know I'm in the minority on this. Most people don't weight the RS but if you want to persuade you actually have to go at the full 82 games of data and explain to me why their offense never broke out. You have to explain to me why their ORTG vs Memphis/Boston was in line with the RS data.

boston and memphis are strong to great defenses

performing averagely against them is already above average

i agree warriors are not a truly all time great offense, but they are definetely a strong one