All-Time Fantasy Draft With FGA Limit - Meta Thread

[Timmaytime]

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you're up my good sir

[theonlyclutch]

With the final pick of the draft, theonlyclutch selects someone...receiving a bit of flak at the moment: Kyle Lowry (ft. Booty) (2013)



First off, let's address the elephant in the room, yes, Lowry hasn't been particularly stellar over the last 2 postseasons, but this is in a completely different role than the one he will have on this team, in both 2015 & 16 PS, Lowry had to create a ton in TOR (only ~40% 3s assisted), as the 1st/2nd option in Toronto. As a result, his shooting suffered, when he played more off ball in '14 PS, he performed much better. So given that Lowry is going to be like the 4th option on the floor like 95% of the time, (judges, speaking to you), don't let recency bias cloud your judgement.

Okay, rant over, now let's talk about the main reason I choose Lowry: He's a damn good defender against guards and does the little things that help win games.
- +2.2 DRAPM 08-11
- Top 5 in charges drawn in: 09-10, 11-12, 13-14, 14-15,
- Top 5 in offensive fouls drawn in: 09-10, 11-12, 12-13, 13-14, 14-15
- Ranked 4th in defensive ppp among all starting PGs in '13 season.
- From 09-12, a PG guarded by Lowry has only scored over 30 points 4 times (out of 190!)

Just some of the statistics that show Lowry's ability on D. Beyond that, he's aggressive, very good at pressuring the ball and disrupting possessions, can move very well laterally, and even switch onto bigger guards in a pinch (that phat booty helps!)

On offense, things are less bright, but he can hit 3s (especially open or spotting up), has a good tendency to draw fouls, and run the offense decently well while also playing nicely off-ball (as TOR fans can attest to), which will make for a nice pairing with Manu or Harden. He's also played with ball-dominant post players (Scola) and/or ball-dominant wings (DD), which means he will mesh with KAJ and Dr.J fine as well, not to mention being a running mate to fellow teammate Amir Johnson.

Yo

[theonlyclutch]

Wrapping up The Malevolent Eight
PG: '08 Chauncey Billups 11.2 FGA / '13 Kyle Lowry 9.2 FGA
SG: '05 Manu Ginobili 10.5 FGA / '12 James Harden 10.1 FGA
SF: '82 Julius Erving 17.6 FGA
PF: '13 Matt Bonner 3.4 FGA / '10 Amir Johnson 4.1 FGA
C: '77 Kareem Abdul Jabaar 18.7 FGA

Summing up to 84.8 FGA.

Pretty satisfied with the results, have a good mix of top end talent:
- '77 Kareem rated #5 in realgm peaks list, GOAT level post scoring.
- '82 Erving one year away from MVP in '81, highest PER season in NBA, voted #2 in '82 RPoY

Tier 2 talent (if you can call them that):
- The per-minute MVP Manu Ginobili and his spiritual successor
- A super efficient PG with great shooting that can meld into whatever role necessary in Billups

Supporting players:
- Statistical darling and great two-way hustle player Amir Johnson, can play the 5 in small lineups effectively (even if that's a rather stupid idea)
- An awesome PG defender in Lowry, who can act as a ball-handler if needed
- A decent stretch 4 in Matt Bonner, who looks really good in +/- (+4 RAPM 08-11)

Spoiler:

Tons of situational lineups for nearly every situation that can work on both sides of the ball:
Examples:
"Defense"
PG - Lowry
SG - Ginobili
SF - Erving
PF - Amir
C - KAJ

"4-out"
PG - Billups
SG - Harden
SF - Ginobili
PF - Bonner
C - KAJ

"I need points now!"
PG - Billups
SG - Harden
SF - Ginobili
PF - Erving
C - KAJ

"Go big or go home"
PG - Harden
SG - Ginobili
SF - Erving
PF - Bonner
C - KAJ

"Don Nelson's our coach"
PG - Lowry
SG - Billups
SF - Ginobili
PF - Harden
C - Erving

[AustinCarr61]

With the 119th Pick in the All Time Fantasy Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers select:



Jason Collins, 2002-03, 4.2 FGA/G
RS: 5.7 PTS @ 52.1 TS%, 4.5 TRB, 1.1 AST, 0.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 107 Ortg, 99 Drtg, 9.9 PER, .119 WS/48, -0.6 BPM (+1.8 DBPM)
PS: 5.9 PTS @ 49.6 TS%, 6.3 TRB, 0.9 AST, 0.7 STL, 0.6 BLK, 111 Ortg, 99 Drtg, 10.6 PER, .136 WS/48, +1.0 BPM

Collins gives me 6 fouls and elite post defense against the ATG bigs. My 7 man rotation has enough quality that I hope I can afford a "break glass in case of emergency" pick like this (as I haven't got enough attempts left for anyone else!) 2003 fits exactly into the 4.2 FGA I have remaining, and is also Collins' best year by box score metrics (although they are pretty useless in his case), by FT% (semi-useful) and longest run in the playoffs (the Nets' 2nd Finals year) and while it isn't his hilarious 2005 RAPM year, he's still at +5.68 overall / +4.77 DRAPM. While he didn't collect huge numbers of rebounds himself, he's the best player in the last 15 years in terms of team DRB% when he is on court (min 14000 MP; Duncan is 6th) showing the importance of his boxing out (LINK). And he has experience at the sharp end of the playoffs, and while he only really has one trick (I mean, he set good screens but seriously...), it will be a very useful one against some of the teams I anticipate playing in the latter stages of the playoffs if I reach them.

[Timmaytime]

Since Clutch did it I want to too. Lineup is:

PG: '16 Steph Curry (20.2 FGA) | '85 Alvin Robertson (7.6 FGA)
SG: '96 Eddie Jones (9.8 FGA)
SF: '91 Scottie Pippen (14.1 FGA) | '98 Dan Majerle (6.1 FGA)
PF: '13 Chris Bosh (12.3 FGA) | '92 Charles Oakley (4.9 FGA)
C: '81 Artis Gilmore (10.0 FGA)

Total tally: 85 FGA exactly.

At guard we have probably the greatest shooter in NBA history, the ONLY unanimous MVP EVER. The amount of records Steph is breaking this year is insane. Curry is flanked by an elite 3&D wing, Eddie Jones. In '96 Jones was a 37% 3PT shooter and averaged 3.5 assists and 1.8 steals a game.

At forward, we have arguably the best wing defender ever in Scottie Pippen, a guy who could lock down pretty much anyone but still be a great secondary offensive option. Next to him is a fantastic PnR/PnP big in Chris Bosh, a guy who in 2013 shot 53% from 16 feet to the long line (on 36% of his attempts). Bosh screening and rolling/popping for Curry is absolutely ridiculous.

At Center we have an ultra-efficient offensive threat that can also patrol the paint effectively.

On the bench, we cover our weaknesses. Robertson gives us some much needed PG defense, Majerle provides three point shooting and Oakley is the enforcer (he also happens to work beautifully next to Bosh in small-ball lineups).

Very happy with this team

[Narigo]

For my last pick I'm going with 1997 Ron Harper as my backup pg. He is a great defender and shot 36% from three that year

[Narigo]

Go

[Quotatious]

With their 8th round pick, the Springfield Bullies select:



1989-90 version.

Nice guys finish last, they say...We'll be the team you love to hate, but we will WIN. Or rather, we will BEAT YOU. You get my drift...

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You're up for the last time.

[Square]

These teams are going to be really hard to judge. Not only because they are all really good, but because of this strange thing where we take guys from various years which are not their peaks. So when I look at, say, Timmaytime's team above I have to think to myself "Eddie Jones! Oh wait, how good was he again in 96, his second year in the league? Alvin Robertson! Oh wait, that's his rookie season. Gilmore! Oh, this is 32 year old Bulls-era GIlmore, not 70's Kentucky Gilmore, etc....." Like there's a certain amount of name recognition that I have to adjust and compensate for when looking at these teams. Obviously basketball-reference helps with this, but IMO there's more context to a guy's game than just his stats from that particular season.

This is not at all meant to pick on Timmaytime's team, which is excellent, it was just the first one I saw. We've all had to make these same compromises to fit under the "cap".

[Timmaytime]

These teams are going to be really hard to judge. Not only because they are all really good, but because of this strange thing where we take guys from various years which are not their peaks. So when I look at, say, Timmaytime's team above I have to think to myself "Eddie Jones! Oh wait, how good was he again in 96, his second year in the league? Alvin Robertson! Oh wait, that's his rookie season. Gilmore! Oh, this is 32 year old Bulls-era GIlmore, not 70's Kentucky Gilmore, etc....." Like there's a certain amount of name recognition that I have to adjust and compensate for when looking at these teams. Obviously basketball-reference helps with this, but IMO there's more context to a guy's game than just his stats from that particular season.

This is not at all meant to pick on Timmaytime's team, which is excellent, it was just the first one I saw. We've all had to make these same compromises to fit under the "cap".

Yeah definitely something to keep in mind... I tried to pick guys that might not be at their peak (like Gilmore or Bosh) or even in their prime (like Jones or Robertson), but that still had redeeming qualities about them.

Gilmore in '81 still had a ton of impact defensively and he was one of the most efficient low-usage offensive threats at the time, I mean 70% TS on 14ppg is pretty amazing.

Jones and Robertson were both young and really athletic, so even if their scoring or facilitating wasn't the best at the time, Jones still shot 37% from three and Robertson was still an insanely good defensive guard.

I went for the Pippen/Bosh combo that I thought would fit best next to Steph, Pippen being a better distributer at this time and Bosh being a bigger threat in the PnR/PnP than he was in Toronto.

Ultimately this is what I like about this project, it's not just about putting together a collection of talent. It's thinking about individual roles and what players can give you even if they're not elite.

Also all of my bench picks (especially Robertson) had name recognition in mind. Robertson probably wasn't any better than Charlie Ward in the years picked but there's definitely a perception for some.

[Doctor MJ]

With their final selection, the Longshoremen of Long Beach are pleased to add...



The utterly ferocious Buck Williams. Much respected as both a player and a positive force from his time on the Nets, when he came to the Blazers he changed their entire culture. It's with him that the team went from underachievers to being title contenders. With his energy, determination, and backbone, he finally helped the Drexler live up to his potential.

Buck is a power forward with exceptional motor and nice touch. An outstanding rebounder, he also excelled as a defender who could make your life harder no matter your size, and like most my other players: I think he'd be better today with the emphasis on movement both in transition and in the half-court.

(Putting up my minutes in the other thread to show how I was able to adjust my roster to stay within 85 FGA for those curious.)

[Doctor MJ]

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You're up.

[Doctor MJ]

Okay, so, below are the details of my team's players. I'll say up front that I began the project saying I wasn't going to count FGA but I changed my mind. Why? Well, maybe because I'm stubborn but not that stubborn. You've probably heard me whine sanctimoniously about the rules, but I don't want to make it impossible to have a meaningful tournament because I really love the write up portion of something like this.

And y'know what, once I got past my pride, I enjoyed re-thinking my team. When I eventually do my main write up, I'm going to build the ages of my players into the narrative which will make for a much more fun story, and may in fact help the team seem more real.

Without further ado...
Your Longshoremen of Long Beach...

Code: Select all

Player          Year    FGA
Larry Bird      1980   17.8
Jerry West      1968   18.2
Alonzo Mourning 1999   13.8
Joe Dumars      1997   11.1
Paul Millsap    2007    4.9
Wes Unseld      1978    6.1
Steve Kerr      1992    4.9
Buck Williams   1991    7.4
Total                  84.2


[Square]

Okay, so, below are the details of my team's players. I'll say up front that I began the project saying I wasn't going to count FGA but I changed my mind. Why? Well, maybe because I'm stubborn but not that stubborn. You've probably heard me whine sanctimoniously about the rules, but I don't want to make it impossible to have a meaningful tournament because I really love the write up portion of something like this.

And y'know what, once I got past my pride, I enjoyed re-thinking my team. When I eventually do my main write up, I'm going to build the ages of my players into the narrative which will make for a much more fun story, and may in fact help the team seem more real.

Without further ado...
Your Longshoremen of Long Beach...

Code: Select all

Player          Year    FGA
Larry Bird      1980   17.8
Jerry West      1968   18.2
Alonzo Mourning 1999   13.8
Joe Dumars      1997   11.1
Paul Millsap    2007    4.9
Wes Unseld      1978    6.1
Steve Kerr      1992    4.9
Buck Williams   1991    7.4
Total                  84.2


Nice, I'm glad you got it to work out.

[Clyde Frazier]

With their final selection, the Longshoremen of Long Beach are pleased to add...



The utterly ferocious Buck Williams. Much respected as both a player and a positive force from his time on the Nets, when he came to the Blazers he changed their entire culture. It's with him that the team went from underachievers to being title contenders. With his energy, determination, and backbone, he finally helped the Drexler live up to his potential.

Buck is a power forward with exceptional motor and nice touch. An outstanding rebounder, he also excelled as a defender who could make your life harder no matter your size, and like most my other players: I think he'd be better today with the emphasis on movement both in transition and in the half-court.

(Putting up my minutes in the other thread to show how I was able to adjust my roster to stay within 85 FGA for those curious.)

I’d considered buck with my last 2 picks. Was looking for a floor spacing 4 that could defend, and he certainly fit the bill. Just decided to shuffle my lineup a bit and go in a different direction. When i looked him up on bball ref, I couldn’t believe he was only listed at 215 lbs. Always looked like a tank to me growing up, but I guess it was just lean muscle. Glad to see someone ended up taking him.

Have some thinking to do with my last pick… I’ll be back.

[Doctor MJ]

I’d considered buck with my last 2 picks. Was looking for a floor spacing 4 that could defend, and he certainly fit the bill. Just decided to shuffle my lineup a bit and go in a different direction. When i looked him up on bball ref, I couldn’t believe he was only listed at 215 lbs. Always looked like a tank to me growing up, but I guess it was just lean muscle. Glad to see someone ended up taking him.

Have some thinking to do with my last pick… I’ll be back.

Yeah to me this is one of those times where they clearly aren't updating the weight as the guy ages and his frame fills out.

[Quotatious]

Springfield Bullies - I think the Bullies part of my team's name is clear, considering I have Malone, Bowen, Laimbeer and Mutombo, but why Springfield? Because they are Hall of Fame level bullies. Well, three of my players (Jordan, Malone, Mutombo) have been inducted to the Hall of Fame based on their basketball playing ability, too.

I had to change years of some players to be under the 85 FGAs limit. So, here's what I got:

Michael Jordan 1991 - 22.4 FGA
Karl Malone 1993 - 17.6 FGA
Bill Laimbeer 1990 - 9.7 FGA
Jarrett Jack 2010 - 8.2 FGA
Maurice Cheeks 1981 - 7.2 FGA
Dikembe Mutombo 2000 - 7.0 FGA
Rodney Rogers 1994 - 6.9 FGA
Bruce Bowen 2003 - 5.8 FGA

Total: 84.8 FGA

[MyUniBroDavis]

Springfield Bullies - I think the Bullies part of my team's name is clear, considering I have Malone, Bowen, Laimbeer and Mutombo, but why Springfield? Because they are Hall of Fame level bullies. Well, three of my players (Jordan, Malone, Mutombo) have been inducted to the Hall of Fame based on their basketball playing ability, too.

I had to change years of some players to be under the 85 FGAs limit. So, here's what I got:

Michael Jordan 1991 - 22.4 FGA
Karl Malone 1993 - 17.6 FGA
Bill Laimbeer 1990 - 9.7 FGA
Jarrett Jack 2010 - 8.2 FGA
Maurice Cheeks 1981 - 7.2 FGA
Dikembe Mutombo 2000 - 7.0 FGA
Rodney Rogers 1994 - 6.9 FGA
Bruce Bowen 2003 - 5.8 FGA

Total: 84.8 FGA

Nearly as good as the quahog convicts, much better than the south park rebels

[Quotatious]

Nearly as good as the quahog convicts, much better than the south park rebels

I remember you said you didn't sign up for the list of GMs because you didn't have the time to take care of that, but would you like to be a judge? It's not nearly as time-consuming and it's not a major problem if you miss a few matchups.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Nearly as good as the quahog convicts, much better than the south park rebels

I remember you said you didn't sign up for the list of GMs because you didn't have the time to take care of that, but would you like to be a judge? It's not nearly as time-consuming and it's not a major problem if you miss a few matchups.

I might miss more than just a few though, I pretty much procrastinated to the extreme and have very little time. Id like to judge though, but I might miss too much to like, judge, you know what I mean?