The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2

[Mos_Heat]

Westbrook is -20. Rondo is +20

Lakers were up 14 in the 4th quarter and up 110-101 with 3+ minutes left and gave the Hornets three technical fouls (delay of game, Westbrook, ‘Melo).

Literally no difference between a minimum player and 44mil player.

[frica]

Carmelo's shot is so **** good, holy ****.

[TroubleS0me]

sometimes i feel like Lakers got Westbrook just to trade him eventually..trade deadline

[Slava]

I hope Rob can make Westbrook for Love + Rubio happen. Going from this calamity clown to Rubio's PG play would be bliss.

[McBubbles]

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I'm usually not one to get on players for being "soft" because a lot of time it's just an ability thing, you can either do something or you can't.

But **** my life, to quote the late great Kobe Bean Bryant this nibba is "soft as charmin, soft as schit".

Pre 2020 I assumed AD wasn't that dude despite what his stats showed, I thought he was a super 2nd teamer or a low tier first teamer but not a true franchise carrying MVP.

Then immediately after the bubble, though I didn't care about his shooting like a lot of people did (cuz it was obviously just a hot streak, not indicative of his true ability going forward) his passing and DEFENCE made me really reconsider, and wonder of he could in fact be a perfect fitting, floor stretching 1A defensive anchor and 1B scorer that could lead the Lakers. But, I still wasn't totally convinced, and just had a general negative hunch, but thought I was just being irrational and that I should have probably been optimistic.

And honestly, I'm usually happy when my hunches are correct, but only because what happened fit my thought process. I have no **** clue what happened to AD man. He has been booty for his standards ever since the bubble. Are his multiple tiny soft "injuries" worse then we thought? Is he just being lazy? Is it both?

[trickshot]

sometimes i feel like Lakers got Westbrook just to trade him eventually..trade deadline

Feel awful for Laker fans who weren't on board the madness. The lowest point of the Westbrook experience is realizing he isn't even pleasing to watch for many seasoned fans. You come to appreciate a game played with poise and good winning habits then your GM wakes up one day and trades for the guy.

One of the worse things about his game is how many things he does wrong on both sides. It's mistake after mistake. Even when you start rolling in the regular season you'll always have it at the back of your mind whether your title ceiling is capped.

I don't even know how the guy was assured enough to release a documentary owning the haters while in the midst of one of the worst playoff resumes from an MVP. Where's Harden's fully produced documentary? Shouldn't Lillard get one too? He's operating in his own reality. The constructive criticism about working on his BBIQ probably doesn't even reach him. It might actually be true the triple doubles are like his titles.

[homecourtloss]

Westbrook is -20. Rondo is +20

Lakers were up 14 in the 4th quarter and up 110-101 with 3+ minutes left and gave the Hornets three technical fouls (delay of game, Westbrook, ‘Melo).

Literally no difference between a minimum player and 44mil player.

Here’s what’s sad—Westbrook is playing below a replacement level player right now and is actively creating losing margins. Known poor defenders in Monk and Ellington are looking like defensive savants compared to Westbrook and then you have Westbrook’s awful offense. With Westbrook off court, Lakers have played well.

Lakers with Westbrook off court:
146 minutes, 105.3 ORtg, 95.3 DRtg., +10.0 per 100 possessions
Defense without Westbrook on court has produced similar numbers to the previous two seasons’. Defense would be -12 rDRtg without Westbrook.

The starting lineup quartet of Bradley, Westbrook, DAJ, and Bazemore has been abysmal and contains some of the worst two-man pairings.

Two-man pairings:

Westbrook + Reaves: +5.4 per 100
Westbrook + LeBron: +.5
Westbrook + Howard: +.5
Westbrook + Monk: -.6
Westbrook + AD: -6.9
Westbrook + Melo: -7.4
Westbrook + Bradley: -9.5
Westbrook + Bazemore: -10.1
Westbrook + Ellington: -11.7
Westbrook + DAJ: -12.9
Westbrook + Rondo: -41.3

Carmelo's shot is so **** good, holy ****.

Lakers’ offense should be about setting screens for him now. Rondo said that he hadn’t seen ‘Melo miss in practice; that stroke looks incredibly compact, quick, perfect.

[Colbinii]

Reeves carrying Westbrook...what a timeline.

[Fadeaway_J]

Reeves carrying Westbrook...what a timeline.

Can he carry him back to Washington?

[trickshot]

Westbrook is -20. Rondo is +20

Lakers were up 14 in the 4th quarter and up 110-101 with 3+ minutes left and gave the Hornets three technical fouls (delay of game, Westbrook, ‘Melo).

Literally no difference between a minimum player and 44mil player.

Here’s what’s sad—Westbrook is playing below a replacement level player right now and is actively creating losing margins. Known poor defenders in Monk and Ellington are looking like defensive savants compared to Westbrook and then you have Westbrook’s awful offense. With Westbrook off court, Lakers have played well.

Lakers with Westbrook off court:
146 minutes, 105.3 ORtg, 95.3 DRtg., +10.0 per 100 possessions
Defense without Westbrook on court has produced similar numbers to the previous two seasons’. Defense would be -12 rDRtg without Westbrook.

The starting lineup quartet of Bradley, Westbrook, DAJ, and Bazemore has been abysmal and contains some of the worst two-man pairings.

Two-man pairings:

Westbrook + Reaves: +5.4 per 100
Westbrook + LeBron: +.5
Westbrook + Howard: +.5
Westbrook + Monk: -.6
Westbrook + AD: -6.9
Westbrook + Melo: -7.4
Westbrook + Bradley: -9.5
Westbrook + Bazemore: -10.1
Westbrook + Ellington: -11.7
Westbrook + DAJ: -12.9
Westbrook + Rondo: -41.3

Carmelo's shot is so **** good, holy ****.

Lakers’ offense should be about setting screens for him now. Rondo said that he hadn’t seen ‘Melo miss in practice; that stroke looks incredibly compact, quick, perfect.

Not the place to re-litigate this but current Westbrook isn't a better defender than Curry. I'm very convinced his fans only watch boxscores to continue bringing up defense in player comparisons. Steph plays bad D every couple possessions but Westbrook leaves his man on every possession.

[Mos_Heat]

Literally no difference between a minimum player and 44mil player.

Here’s what’s sad—Westbrook is playing below a replacement level player right now and is actively creating losing margins. Known poor defenders in Monk and Ellington are looking like defensive savants compared to Westbrook and then you have Westbrook’s awful offense. With Westbrook off court, Lakers have played well.

Lakers with Westbrook off court:
146 minutes, 105.3 ORtg, 95.3 DRtg., +10.0 per 100 possessions
Defense without Westbrook on court has produced similar numbers to the previous two seasons’. Defense would be -12 rDRtg without Westbrook.

The starting lineup quartet of Bradley, Westbrook, DAJ, and Bazemore has been abysmal and contains some of the worst two-man pairings.

Two-man pairings:

Westbrook + Reaves: +5.4 per 100
Westbrook + LeBron: +.5
Westbrook + Howard: +.5
Westbrook + Monk: -.6
Westbrook + AD: -6.9
Westbrook + Melo: -7.4
Westbrook + Bradley: -9.5
Westbrook + Bazemore: -10.1
Westbrook + Ellington: -11.7
Westbrook + DAJ: -12.9
Westbrook + Rondo: -41.3

Carmelo's shot is so **** good, holy ****.

Lakers’ offense should be about setting screens for him now. Rondo said that he hadn’t seen ‘Melo miss in practice; that stroke looks incredibly compact, quick, perfect.

Not the place to re-litigate this but current Westbrook isn't a better defender than Curry. I'm very convinced his fans only watch boxscores to continue bringing up defense in player comparisons. Steph plays bad D every couple possessions but Westbrook leaves his man on every possession.

I don't think he's ever been better than Curry on defense

[Mos_Heat]

AD so regressed as a shooter that he's kinda a negative even for a C

[Baski]

Literally no difference between a minimum player and 44mil player.

Here’s what’s sad—Westbrook is playing below a replacement level player right now and is actively creating losing margins. Known poor defenders in Monk and Ellington are looking like defensive savants compared to Westbrook and then you have Westbrook’s awful offense. With Westbrook off court, Lakers have played well.

Lakers with Westbrook off court:
146 minutes, 105.3 ORtg, 95.3 DRtg., +10.0 per 100 possessions
Defense without Westbrook on court has produced similar numbers to the previous two seasons’. Defense would be -12 rDRtg without Westbrook.

The starting lineup quartet of Bradley, Westbrook, DAJ, and Bazemore has been abysmal and contains some of the worst two-man pairings.

Two-man pairings:

Westbrook + Reaves: +5.4 per 100
Westbrook + LeBron: +.5
Westbrook + Howard: +.5
Westbrook + Monk: -.6
Westbrook + AD: -6.9
Westbrook + Melo: -7.4
Westbrook + Bradley: -9.5
Westbrook + Bazemore: -10.1
Westbrook + Ellington: -11.7
Westbrook + DAJ: -12.9
Westbrook + Rondo: -41.3

Carmelo's shot is so **** good, holy ****.

Lakers’ offense should be about setting screens for him now. Rondo said that he hadn’t seen ‘Melo miss in practice; that stroke looks incredibly compact, quick, perfect.

Not the place to re-litigate this but current Westbrook isn't a better defender than Curry. I'm very convinced his fans only watch boxscores to continue bringing up defense in player comparisons. Steph plays bad D every couple possessions but Westbrook leaves his man on every possession.

When was he ever a better defender than Curry?2012 Maybe?

[trickshot]

Here’s what’s sad—Westbrook is playing below a replacement level player right now and is actively creating losing margins. Known poor defenders in Monk and Ellington are looking like defensive savants compared to Westbrook and then you have Westbrook’s awful offense. With Westbrook off court, Lakers have played well.

Lakers with Westbrook off court:
146 minutes, 105.3 ORtg, 95.3 DRtg., +10.0 per 100 possessions
Defense without Westbrook on court has produced similar numbers to the previous two seasons’. Defense would be -12 rDRtg without Westbrook.

The starting lineup quartet of Bradley, Westbrook, DAJ, and Bazemore has been abysmal and contains some of the worst two-man pairings.

Two-man pairings:

Westbrook + Reaves: +5.4 per 100
Westbrook + LeBron: +.5
Westbrook + Howard: +.5
Westbrook + Monk: -.6
Westbrook + AD: -6.9
Westbrook + Melo: -7.4
Westbrook + Bradley: -9.5
Westbrook + Bazemore: -10.1
Westbrook + Ellington: -11.7
Westbrook + DAJ: -12.9
Westbrook + Rondo: -41.3



Lakers’ offense should be about setting screens for him now. Rondo said that he hadn’t seen ‘Melo miss in practice; that stroke looks incredibly compact, quick, perfect.

Not the place to re-litigate this but current Westbrook isn't a better defender than Curry. I'm very convinced his fans only watch boxscores to continue bringing up defense in player comparisons. Steph plays bad D every couple possessions but Westbrook leaves his man on every possession.

When was he ever a better defender than Curry?2012 Maybe?

There are a lot of myths around Westbrook's abilites. Even his playmaking is wildly overrated, he can make a wicked pass but he doesn't have the management or reading to use that ability right. One reason his chemistry with AD is still wonky is his read/react ability isn't great, it's merely okay at best with frequent dips into garbage tier. I'll hazard to guess half of his passes to AD in the paint end in turnovers. He hasn't figured out AD isn't Steven Adams, AD is always draped by a defender. You can't blindly make dumpoff passes or lobs when he's involved. Might as well be handing the ball over to his defender.

I think he'll figure out better chemistry at some point in the season then finally get bamboozled by some well executed gameplan in the playoffs. Guy can't read/react for sh*t and takes ages to figure out some very basic defensive coverages (like being left wide open 5v4).

[Slava]

Westbrook is a prime example of a guy, you see and think he's so athletic, even a small drop off would still enable him to be better than others, until you realize his entire game was built on that one inch of extra special athleticism. Derrick Rose is probably the closest analogy and his career rebuild seems even more impressive now.

[TheGOATRises007]

Westbrook is a prime example of a guy, you see and think he's so athletic, even a small drop off would still enable him to be better than others, until you realize his entire game was built on that one inch of extra special athleticism. Derrick Rose is probably the closest analogy and his career rebuild seems even more impressive now.

I always said Rose was better than him(when they were both still young pre-injuries).

[nzahir]

Westbrook is a prime example of a guy, you see and think he's so athletic, even a small drop off would still enable him to be better than others, until you realize his entire game was built on that one inch of extra special athleticism. Derrick Rose is probably the closest analogy and his career rebuild seems even more impressive now.

I always said Rose was better than him(when they were both still young pre-injuries).

Oh yes

Rose is a much smarter player who could play under control

Russ is almost always out of control and can never slow down the tempo in a positive way

Rose is also a much better finisher

Russ is not a great one actually, he can just get to the rim well with his athleticism

[Heej]

I don't think he's ever been better than Curry on defense

Honestly that whole meme about Curry being a bad defender never jived with my eye test. Sure he was frail when he was younger but his arms are long and he has quick hands. Not to mention he legit puts in effort every possession. For all his gifts, it's his motor that may be the most underrated aspect of his game. Also, I've long considered Curry the most underrated rebounding guard of his era. He's just got that light skin stigma going against him, but you can't have a perennial number 1 level defense if one of your primary point of attack defenders is a turnstile or a negative help defender.

Also, regarding Rose I often think about how good he could've been. He was clearly the better player than Westbrook by a substantial margin at every point in their careers before his injury, and Westbrook went on to win an MVP. If we project Rose to having continually improved his shooting at the rate he's improved now with healthy offseasons I think we're looking at a guy that battles for the top point guard title with Curry year in and year out the way Deron Williams used to with CP3. Which is insane to think about that he had top 15-25 all time potential.

[GSP]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/qprokz/i_went_back_and_tallied_all_of_lebron_jamess_9738/

[GSP]

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wooooooow Lakers offered him less than 2yr/15 m