2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[Texas Chuck]

Hypo: Say Lebron became a billionaire at 21 and on every contract signed for the veteran minimum. Would you factor that into his player value?

Considering Lebron has stated quite clearly he will never take less money not because its all that significant to his bottom line but because he doesn't want teams to ask other players to take less, saying see Lebron did it, I think there is zero chance of this.

But setting aside all sorts of reality of course it factors into his player value.

[sp6r=underrated]

Hypo: Say Lebron became a billionaire at 21 and on every contract signed for the veteran minimum. Would you factor that into his player value?

Considering Lebron has stated quite clearly he will never take less money not because its all that significant to his bottom line but because he doesn't want teams to ask other players to take less, saying see Lebron did it, I think there is zero chance of this.

But setting aside all sorts of reality of course it factors into his player value.

I was just using him as a hypo since that announcement that he became a billionaire. Insert other name.

[falcolombardi]

I think a superstar taking a minimum deal could be seen as a competitive distortion

[MartinToVaught]

Well the rockets traded his co-star and then fired a top tier coach and owner and gave up on trying to win.

Harden ran every co-star he played with in Houston out of town himself. Their ownership's biggest issue by far, under both Alexander and Fertitta, was allowing the Rockets to become The James Harden Show rather than a serious team with a culture focused on winning. Practically every move they made was to appease Harden. Pretending he's blameless in that team falling apart is disingenuous at best.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Hypo: Say Lebron became a billionaire at 21 and on every contract signed for the veteran minimum. Would you factor that into his player value?

Considering Lebron has stated quite clearly he will never take less money not because its all that significant to his bottom line but because he doesn't want teams to ask other players to take less, saying see Lebron did it, I think there is zero chance of this.

But setting aside all sorts of reality of course it factors into his player value.

I think he meant that in terms of evaluating his season

Lebron on the minimum is by far the best bang for your buck in the nba by an absurd margin lol. I’m pretty sure he goes back to 2020 form or pre injury 2021 form next year honestly

[sp6r=underrated]

Hypo: Say Lebron became a billionaire at 21 and on every contract signed for the veteran minimum. Would you factor that into his player value?

Considering Lebron has stated quite clearly he will never take less money not because its all that significant to his bottom line but because he doesn't want teams to ask other players to take less, saying see Lebron did it, I think there is zero chance of this.

But setting aside all sorts of reality of course it factors into his player value.

I think he meant that in terms of evaluating his season

Lebron on the minimum is by far the best bang for your buck in the nba by an absurd margin lol. I’m pretty sure he goes back to 2020 form or pre injury 2021 form next year honestly

yes i was using him as an example insert luka curry whoever. and it is as much about career evaluation

[MartinToVaught]

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No wonder KD loves Kyrie so much. They're the same person. Hating on a god... wow.

LeBron, PG and Westbrook have been ripped to shreds over the years for saying stuff that isn't even half as narcissistic as the nonsense that comes out of KD and Kyrie's mouths every day.

[MyUniBroDavis]

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No wonder KD loves Kyrie so much. They're the same person. Hating on a god... wow.

LeBron, PG and Westbrook have been ripped to shreds over the years for saying stuff that isn't even half as narcissistic as the nonsense that comes out of KD and Kyrie's mouths every day.

Tbf itd be hype if he didn’t just get swept lol

[parsnips33]

I have no idea what to think of Nets playing hardball. I could see this looking like a total disaster or a pivotal moment for the franchise 5-10 years from now

[Doctor MJ]

I have no idea what to think of Nets playing hardball. I could see this looking like a total disaster or a pivotal moment for the franchise 5-10 years from now

Yup, we're going to see how it all plays out.

The thing is about these mega-rich billionaire owners who buy into the NBA just because it's a thing to do, is that they probably didn't get into this business to kowtow to guys who bounce balls for a living.

This owner bought into the idea of doing whatever it took to get the best talent, but I think it's clear that as they started doing stuff that was not in his best interest - choosing not to play (Kyrie), choosing vaccine choices that prevented them from playing (Kyrie), purposefully tanking play to get traded after the franchise just gave up quite a lot for him (Harden), telling the public that "us stars" will be managing the franchise with the coach, GM & owner on the team (Kyrie) - he's soured on the experiment.

It's well within the realm of possibility now that the owner will just want to start over not because he thinks that's the best way to win in the next few years, but because he wants an organization where everyone understands who the boss is.

[ivorytower]

I have no idea what to think of Nets playing hardball. I could see this looking like a total disaster or a pivotal moment for the franchise 5-10 years from now

I mean, if they're genuinely just over Kyrie and don't want to commit to a long term deal that's fully guaranteed (fully understandable), then this was how it was bound to end. Not like Kyrie is known for being reliable or showing commitment anyway, so this is an opportunity for them to just completely blow it up.

[parsnips33]

I have no idea what to think of Nets playing hardball. I could see this looking like a total disaster or a pivotal moment for the franchise 5-10 years from now

I mean, if they're genuinely just over Kyrie and don't want to commit to a long term deal that's fully guaranteed (fully understandable), then this was how it was bound to end. Not like Kyrie is known for being reliable or showing commitment anyway, so this is an opportunity for them to just completely blow it up.

I totally get it, but it doesn't make them look great as a franchise.

When one of your main selling point to FAs is "we're the New York team that's not dysfunctional" this is like the last thing you want to happen lol

[falcolombardi]

I have no idea what to think of Nets playing hardball. I could see this looking like a total disaster or a pivotal moment for the franchise 5-10 years from now

I mean, if they're genuinely just over Kyrie and don't want to commit to a long term deal that's fully guaranteed (fully understandable), then this was how it was bound to end. Not like Kyrie is known for being reliable or showing commitment anyway, so this is an opportunity for them to just completely blow it up.

I totally get it, but it doesn't make them look great as a franchise.

When one of your main selling point to FAs is "we're the New York team that's not dysfunctional" this is like the last thing you want to happen lol

Disfunctional team =/= disfunctional players tho

[ivorytower]

I have no idea what to think of Nets playing hardball. I could see this looking like a total disaster or a pivotal moment for the franchise 5-10 years from now

I mean, if they're genuinely just over Kyrie and don't want to commit to a long term deal that's fully guaranteed (fully understandable), then this was how it was bound to end. Not like Kyrie is known for being reliable or showing commitment anyway, so this is an opportunity for them to just completely blow it up.

I totally get it, but it doesn't make them look great as a franchise.

When one of your main selling point to FAs is "we're the New York team that's not dysfunctional" this is like the last thing you want to happen lol

Then again, they're hardly the first franchise to get burned by Kyrie, although of course this is the most spectacular flameout of the lot. At the end of the day, a cautionary tale in letting the players control everything. Basically all downhill from KD + Kyrie wanting Atkinson gone because their friend wasn't starting ahead of Allen who was miles better. Will be interesting to see in the future what type of control stars want in their new franchises, and what level of concessions the organization is willing to make.

[parsnips33]

I mean, if they're genuinely just over Kyrie and don't want to commit to a long term deal that's fully guaranteed (fully understandable), then this was how it was bound to end. Not like Kyrie is known for being reliable or showing commitment anyway, so this is an opportunity for them to just completely blow it up.

I totally get it, but it doesn't make them look great as a franchise.

When one of your main selling point to FAs is "we're the New York team that's not dysfunctional" this is like the last thing you want to happen lol

Disfunctional team =/= disfunctional players tho

At best, it looks like they foolishly got themselves into a situation they didn't fully understand by signing KD and Kyrie

At worst, it looks like they can't manage superstar talent

Not great either way

[Doctor MJ]

I totally get it, but it doesn't make them look great as a franchise.

When one of your main selling point to FAs is "we're the New York team that's not dysfunctional" this is like the last thing you want to happen lol

Disfunctional team =/= disfunctional players tho

At best, it looks like they foolishly got themselves into a situation they didn't fully understand by signing KD and Kyrie

At worst, it looks like they can't manage superstar talent

Not great either way

I might say, they foolishly acquired unmanageable talent.

But as I say that, as much I think KD was foolish for tying his future to Kyrie, I was never willing to make such a statement about the Nets FO because KD was such a prize I didn't feel I could say it was the wrong move. Further, when they got Harden last year, I believe I named the FO my EOY.

So I think they were fools, but so was I, despite the fact that I was pointing in the direction of these issues with all these guys before any of the issues blew up in the Nets' organizational face.

While there was a part of me that frankly wanted the Nets experiment to fail, I can't in any way claim I saw all this coming. It's worse than I imagined.

[jalengreen]

will always respect harden for forcing his way out of this mess. jeez what a disaster

[Peregrine01]

This whole debacle is showing just how important character is in developing great teams and great organizations. Everyone says they want to copy the Warriors and Spurs models but as soon as a shiny object gets thrown their way (superstar talent) they ditch everything in pursuit of that.

[falcolombardi]

This whole debacle is showing just how important character is in developing great teams and great organizations. Everyone says they want to copy the Warriors and Spurs models but as soon as a shiny object gets thrown their way (superstar talent) they ditch everything in pursuit of that.

Well spurs and warriors projects happened in the first place cause they drafter multiple stars so they didnt have to chase them to be fair

[Colbinii]

This whole debacle is showing just how important character is in developing great teams and great organizations. Everyone says they want to copy the Warriors and Spurs models but as soon as a shiny object gets thrown their way (superstar talent) they ditch everything in pursuit of that.

Well spurs and warriors projects happened in the first place cause they drafter multiple stars so they didnt have to chase them to be fair

And acquired or had GOAT level coaches towards the start of their coaching careers.