The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2)

[Clyde Frazier]

Btw, only 11 random media members voted for finals MVP last year. That's just bizarre. Anyone know if it used to include more voters years ago? I've been meaning to ask around.

[Dr Positivity]

Nice game by Curry. The defense led by Iggy and Dray closed it out but the Splash Brothers 3rd quarter was just as key considering Cleveland was up 8 with 11 minutes left and conceivably could have taken control of the game at home. Considering how the Warriors offense has been feeding off the attention he gets from the start of the series and his Game 2 was pretty solid for 25 minutes, I don't have a problem with Curry leading Finals MVP right now

[picc]

One thing I'm very certain of is that through 4 games, Steph Curry has not been the most valuable player on the Warriors. I'm not sure exactly who is... but I know its not him.

Still, I enjoyed seeing him for the first time tonight look like he didn't think anyone could guard him. That confidence has been woefully missing so far, and it was one of the most awe-inspiring parts of his game during the season.

[JordansBulls]

Nba will need to just pick top 16 teams now forget an east and west conference

[RSCD3_]

Stop getting cute. Steph is the FMVP right now even with 2 down games, be a shame if he got screwed for a 2nd year in a row because people are overthinking things and trying to be the smartest in the room. I'm rooting for the Cavs in this series, but now that it's basically over I hope he has a big game 5 to seal it

If the Warriors win game 5, and Steph plays well, he would have had a good game twice in a 5 game series. Hard to justify giving FMVP to a guy that showed up for 40% of a series.

Green has clearly been the better player in this series imo.

But on the other hand should it really matter who was better in a loss. If curry does a better job than green in the finals tomorrow, that would be 2 games they won each when they were the best player. And tie goes to the mvp IIRC.

[cpower]

Stop getting cute. Steph is the FMVP right now even with 2 down games, be a shame if he got screwed for a 2nd year in a row because people are overthinking things and trying to be the smartest in the room. I'm rooting for the Cavs in this series, but now that it's basically over I hope he has a big game 5 to seal it

If the Warriors win game 5, and Steph plays well, he would have had a good game twice in a 5 game series. Hard to justify giving FMVP to a guy that showed up for 40% of a series.

Green has clearly been the better player in this series imo.

To me Green's biggest problem was inconsistent intensity. As the defensive anchor, the defensive collapse in g3 was starting from him. Tonight he was better in the second half but overall a pretty meh game. Iggy has been the most consistent player in the series and Curry gives them the offense, so i cant give Green the fmvp yet.

[therealbig3]

Eh, I disagree, he wasn't bad in game 2, but he wasn't exactly "good". He didn't really play much of a role imo. Games 1 and 3 were bad, and game 2 was forgettable. This is his first "good" game of the series. If we're assuming they win game 5, and we're assuming he plays well in that game too, then at most, he's got 2 "good" games out of 5.

I'm not trying to change your minds, but it's anything but clear to me that Curry should be FMVP. I personally don't think it's enough.

[picc]

Stop getting cute. Steph is the FMVP right now even with 2 down games, be a shame if he got screwed for a 2nd year in a row because people are overthinking things and trying to be the smartest in the room. I'm rooting for the Cavs in this series, but now that it's basically over I hope he has a big game 5 to seal it

If the Warriors win game 5, and Steph plays well, he would have had a good game twice in a 5 game series. Hard to justify giving FMVP to a guy that showed up for 40% of a series.

Green has clearly been the better player in this series imo.

But on the other hand should it really matter who was better in a loss. If curry does a better job than green in the finals tomorrow, that would be 2 games they won each when they were the best player. And tie goes to the mvp IIRC.

It does when 1. Green and Iggy were both better in the first two wins, and 2. Steph's complete no-show was a huge reason for the loss in the first place.

Also, I can't believe its 2016 and the value of defense is still totally lost on folks.

[JulesWinnfield]

Stop getting cute. Steph is the FMVP right now even with 2 down games, be a shame if he got screwed for a 2nd year in a row because people are overthinking things and trying to be the smartest in the room. I'm rooting for the Cavs in this series, but now that it's basically over I hope he has a big game 5 to seal it

If the Warriors win game 5, and Steph plays well, he would have had a good game twice in a 5 game series. Hard to justify giving FMVP to a guy that showed up for 40% of a series.

Green has clearly been the better player in this series imo.

Steph was very good in game 2, the only reason the stat line wasn't larger is because he was only needed for 24 minutes. TS% of 82% on 18 points in half a games work, led the team in rebounding and led all starters in +\- as well.

Draymonds impact can't always be seen in raw stats, (by the way, neither can Stephs), but outside of game 2 we are talking about a guy shooting 9 for 28 from the floor. He's coming off a 2 for 8 and a 2 for 9 back to back and we are talking about him as a clear cut finals MvP? This is Stephs award. If it's even close, tie goes to the guy who has been their best player all year and got screwed a year ago

Let's not overthink this for a 2nd year in a row

[therealbig3]

Stop getting cute. Steph is the FMVP right now even with 2 down games, be a shame if he got screwed for a 2nd year in a row because people are overthinking things and trying to be the smartest in the room. I'm rooting for the Cavs in this series, but now that it's basically over I hope he has a big game 5 to seal it

If the Warriors win game 5, and Steph plays well, he would have had a good game twice in a 5 game series. Hard to justify giving FMVP to a guy that showed up for 40% of a series.

Green has clearly been the better player in this series imo.

Steph was very good in game 2, the only reason the stat line wasn't larger is because he was only needed for 24 minutes. TS% of 82% on 18 points in half a games work, led the team in rebounding and led all starters in +\- as well.

Draymonds impact can't always be seen in raw stats, (by the way, neither can Stephs), but outside of game 2 we are talking about a guy shooting 9 for 28 from the floor. He's coming off a 2 for 8 and a 2 for 9 back to back and we are talking about him as a clear cut finals MvP? This is Stephs award. If it's even close, tie goes to the guy who has been their best player all year and got screwed a year ago

Let's not overthink this for a 2nd year in a row

I'm with you on last year, I think he got robbed last year.

But I'm really not so sure this year. Game 2's stat line looked nice, but he also only played 24 minutes not because it was a blowout, but because he got himself into foul trouble. And by the time he came back, the game was already over. His presence really didn't make a difference in that game. The only time I've watched this series and thought, "yep, that's the MVP, that's the best player on the court right now"...was tonight.

[Dr Positivity]

Game 2 was a disappointing game by Curry's standards but only because they're so lofty to begin with. It was still all-star level play

Draymond and Iggy both have a case for FMVP though. Draymond's offensive production combined with elite D made his games 1 and 2 overall phenomenal and the Warriors will have all but sealed the title with their 2nd half defensive performance tonight where he was everywhere. Iggy has done as good a job on Lebron as you could ask for in the GSW 3 wins.

[JulesWinnfield]

If the Warriors win game 5, and Steph plays well, he would have had a good game twice in a 5 game series. Hard to justify giving FMVP to a guy that showed up for 40% of a series.

Green has clearly been the better player in this series imo.

Steph was very good in game 2, the only reason the stat line wasn't larger is because he was only needed for 24 minutes. TS% of 82% on 18 points in half a games work, led the team in rebounding and led all starters in +\- as well.

Draymonds impact can't always be seen in raw stats, (by the way, neither can Stephs), but outside of game 2 we are talking about a guy shooting 9 for 28 from the floor. He's coming off a 2 for 8 and a 2 for 9 back to back and we are talking about him as a clear cut finals MvP? This is Stephs award. If it's even close, tie goes to the guy who has been their best player all year and got screwed a year ago

Let's not overthink this for a 2nd year in a row

I'm with you on last year, I think he got robbed last year.

But I'm really not so sure this year. Game 2's stat line looked nice, but he also only played 24 minutes not because it was a blowout, but because he got himself into foul trouble. And by the time he came back, the game was already over. His presence really didn't make a difference in that game. The only time I've watched this series and thought, "yep, that's the MVP, that's the best player on the court right now"...was tonight.

I'm with you on Steph obviously not having a big series by any stretch of the imagination prior to tonight. I thought he was good in game 2, certainly not amazing and certainly not as good as Draymond that night. I just don't believe anyone has stood out enough though for us to deny him at this point. It's like we are grading on a curve against him if we are going to argue any Warrior has clearly had greater impact. And while it shouldn't matter whatsoever, I do factor in the fact that he got kinda screwed last year and if it's even close he should get this makeup call

[MyUniBroDavis]

The cavs are late game fouling

"Gee, me and Klay shouldn't make these free throws, that's stat padding"

[ThaRegul8r]

Eh, I disagree, he wasn't bad in game 2, but he wasn't exactly "good". He didn't really play much of a role imo. Games 1 and 3 were bad, and game 2 was forgettable. This is his first "good" game of the series. If we're assuming they win game 5, and we're assuming he plays well in that game too, then at most, he's got 2 "good" games out of 5.

I'm not trying to change your minds, but it's anything but clear to me that Curry should be FMVP. I personally don't think it's enough.

He scored 38 tonight, so if he performs well Monday, they might just give it to him.

[ThaRegul8r]

Steph was very good in game 2, the only reason the stat line wasn't larger is because he was only needed for 24 minutes. TS% of 82% on 18 points in half a games work, led the team in rebounding and led all starters in +\- as well.

Draymonds impact can't always be seen in raw stats, (by the way, neither can Stephs), but outside of game 2 we are talking about a guy shooting 9 for 28 from the floor. He's coming off a 2 for 8 and a 2 for 9 back to back and we are talking about him as a clear cut finals MvP? This is Stephs award. If it's even close, tie goes to the guy who has been their best player all year and got screwed a year ago

Let's not overthink this for a 2nd year in a row

I'm with you on last year, I think he got robbed last year.

But I'm really not so sure this year. Game 2's stat line looked nice, but he also only played 24 minutes not because it was a blowout, but because he got himself into foul trouble. And by the time he came back, the game was already over. His presence really didn't make a difference in that game. The only time I've watched this series and thought, "yep, that's the MVP, that's the best player on the court right now"...was tonight.

I'm with you on Steph obviously not having a big series by any stretch of the imagination prior to tonight. I thought he was good in game 2, certainly not amazing and certainly not as good as Draymond that night. I just don't believe anyone has stood out enough though for us to deny him at this point. It's like we are grading on a curve against him if we are going to argue any Warrior has clearly had greater impact. And while it shouldn't matter whatsoever, I do factor in the fact that he got kinda screwed last year and if it's even close he should get this makeup call

You have the right to your opinion of course, but I've always opposed "X happened last year, so..." What did or didn't happen last year should be irrelevant as far as who should win the award this year. Either X's play warrants said award or it doesn't.

[NaturalThunder]

Not about steph specifically, but I think people who were tearing the Warriors apart after game 3 forgot they were still up 2-1, and won the most games in league history. Them bouncing back tonight really isn't a surprise.

Also, apparently all you need to do is get to the finals, and it activates super iguodala. He's amazing.

It may just be playoff series against legit competition. Iggy was phenomenal in game two of the WCF when the Warriors won by 30 and his defense on Durant throughout the series was excellent even when he wasn't scoring very much.

Iggy has turned into a huge signing for them. That, along with one of the best second round/non-first round steals of all-time in Draymond, has turned into the x-factor for back-to-back (barring a miracle Cavs comeback) for the Warriors. Curry's "out-of-nowhere" evolution from really, really good perennial all-star/second or third tier HOFer to generational talent played a huge part, too, but the Iggy signing has proven to be enormous for the Warriors.

[ceiling raiser]

Btw, only 11 random media members voted for finals MVP last year. That's just bizarre. Anyone know if it used to include more voters years ago? I've been meaning to ask around.

http://nbastats.net/01NbaAbaNblAbl/10-Awards/02MVPFinals.xls

Fourth sheet has historical Finals MVP voting.

[PaulieWal]

Btw, only 11 random media members voted for finals MVP last year. That's just bizarre. Anyone know if it used to include more voters years ago? I've been meaning to ask around.

Lowe said something about that on one of his pods. He said some people know that they will have a vote and some don't which is why the whole "Igoudala was the FMVP to deny LeBron conspiracy" is a bit comical.

[Speedlot]

The FMVP boils down whomever does the best next game if they win. So Curry, Klay, Green, Livingston, and Iggy. It defaults to curry though if they all suck and still win.

[MyUniBroDavis]

He has had 2 bad games, 1 solid game and 1 great game. I mean it isn't a good series but it isn't like the worst finals by a superstar in NBA history. Game 2 was okay, other than the foul trouble, realistically he could have gotten 36 ish minutes on the court if they needed him to and when he was on the court that day he was great.

Right now green is the finals MVP, but it's not exactly decided