All-Time Fantasy Draft With FGA Limit - Meta Thread

[Clyde Frazier]

My last pick: 2010 Danilo Gallinari



This last pick is for the basketball gods Gallinari is one of the more talented players to come into the league over the last several years, but he’s never quite reached his potential due to a myriad of injuries. We’re going back to his second season, one of the few where he was healthy (81 games played).

I look back at guys like cassell and horry on the rockets who were impact players on championship teams very early in their careers. I see gallinari having a similar impact on my team. He had an on / off of +4.3 that season. His 15.1 PPG on 57.5% TS is pretty impressive for a 2nd year guy whose best playmaker was chris duhon.

He does a lot of things well coming off the bench. Put him at the 3, and he’s a matchup nightmare with his size. He has a surprisingly good first step at 6’10”, combined with long strides getting to the rim. And while he wasn’t at peak foul drawing yet, he used those long strides and started to figure out the angles ala durant to get to the line. That size also allows him to get separation on his jumper in the midrange.

Put him at the 4, and he spreads the floor out to the 3PT line, opening up the paint for others to create. With his quick release, you can’t sag off him for long without him making you pay. Defensively, he isn’t anything special, but can be an irritant with his length and get in passing lanes / block shots when he gets the opportunity.

This draft was a fun, albeit challenging and at times frustrating process. Kinda relieved to be done. Onto the write-ups!

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You’re up.

[MisterHibachi]

I will take 2016 Steven Adams (5.3 FGA). Great complementary piece, doesn't hurt you in any way. Good foot speed, can defend both post ups and the pick and roll at an above average level. And he takes only 5.3 FGA, meaning I can still take 2000 Shaq, instead of a later year. He will be backing up Shaq at the C position, and will share the floor with both Pau and Dudley.

[Doctor MJ]

Woo hoo! We made it.

[MisterHibachi]

After I drafted Pau, I thought I would have the thinnest bench ever, but I'm happy with how things turned out. And I managed to leave enough room to still take peak Shaq!

Here's my shot break down:

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Shaq 2000          21.1
Pau 2009             12.9
Posey 2008          5.6
Kobe 2008          20.6
Kidd 2010            8.4

Livingston 2016       4.9
Dudley 2016          6.0
Adams 2016          5.3

Total: 84.8 FGA

[MisterHibachi]

Now that the draft is over, I am really surprised no one took 2016 JJ Reddick. He's a much better shooter and player than some of the shooters guys took. Probably the 11 FGA that put people off.

[Doctor MJ]

Now that the draft is over, I am really surprised no one took 2016 JJ Reddick. He's a much better shooter and player than some of the shooters guys took. Probably the 11 FGA that put people off.

Had someone drafted Kerr before me in the 7th round, JJ he was next on my list.

[theonlyclutch]

Now that the draft is over, I am really surprised no one took 2016 JJ Reddick. He's a much better shooter and player than some of the shooters guys took. Probably the 11 FGA that put people off.

Redick was on my shortlist of "break in case all the shooters have been taken"

[Clyde Frazier]

My final roster:

PG - 1992 Mark Price (12.5)
SG - 1994 Reggie Miller (13.2)
SF - 2013 LeBron James (17.8)
PF - 2014 Boris Diaw (7.3)
C - 2010 Dwight Howard (10.2)

6 - 2015 Andre Iguodala (6.4)
7 - 2011 Tyson Chandler (5.5)
8 - 2010 Danilo Gallinari (11.4)

TOTAL = 84.3 FGAs

After the first 3 picks or so, I started to see my team’s game plan and identity more clearly. I’d say the toughest part of the draft was keeping to that philosophy as guys came off the board that I considered great fits. I’ll have to get creative with my rotation a bit, but I have good versatility so i’m happy with the team overall.

Now that the draft is over, any guys you passed on who didn’t end up getting picked? My super low volume guy was prigioni, who had a high impact season with the 54 win knicks in 2013. Other guys were paul pressey, redick, dragic and batum.

And finally… if we hypothetically did another draft, I’d make it work with 90 Ewing. I guess people just passed on him because his 20.4 FGAs were pretty high for a post player, but he was a monster that season on both ends of the floor. Just a cut above relative to his career overall. 83 moses, too to a lesser extent.

[Narigo]

I'm surprised Cedric Maxwell didn't get picked. He was extremely efficient and took a low number of shots. Paul Pressey would have have a pick up as well. He was one of the first point forwards ever

I'm surprised kemp and amare didn't get picked too

[Owly]

I was looking at best-of-the-rest type teams but Schrempf and Hill (and Buck) being taken late messed a couple up. In terms of the higher metric (PER, WS/48) peak guys (post 70 and on, because 60s non-super elites weren't getting picked, and sometimes perhaps even then not - Pettit) and their peak (or best value) fga tariffs -- may be missing some recent ones

Amar'e Stoudemire * 15.3
Moses Malone 16.7 16.2
Terrell Brandon 14.6
Elton Brand 18.2
Robert Parish 14.2
Bob Lanier 18.3
Kevin Love 18.5 14.1
Yao Ming 15.8
Bernard King 18.8
John Drew 15.2
Brandon Roy 16.9
Clyde Drexler 19.4
Patrick Ewing 20.4
Kevin Johnson 15.7 14.9 12 12.7
Andrew Bynum 13.3 7.6
Vince Carter 22.1
Brad Daugherty 13.8 12.8
Shawn Kemp 12.5 13.7 11.9
Marques Johnson 15.2 19.4

(some players with possible injury issue seasons there - Ming, KJ, Bynum)

* Intially left him off, because his dreadful D, and how conspicuous he looks at the top, and forgot to at least note it - but he has the numbers so I guess that is should at least be acknowledged.

[Square]

Here's my team of "guys I thought about that went undrafted". Honestly this draft was so bizarre that I think this is actually a pretty competitive roster.

G 96 Gary Payton (15.8) / 16 Ricky Rubio (7.7)
G 05 Mike Miller (10.1)
F 04 Tayshaun Prince (8.8) / 80 Cedric Maxwell (9.4)
F 96 Shawn Kemp (11.9)
C 83 Moses Malone (16.7) / 90 Mark Eaton (3.7)

Total: 84.1 FGA

[Clyde Frazier]

^ Ah, was also looking at brand, yao and parish pretty closely. Just started considering them too late so the FGAs became an issue.

[Doctor MJ]

I’d say the toughest part of the draft was keeping to that philosophy as guys came off the board that I considered great fits. I’ll have to get creative with my rotation a bit, but I have good versatility so i’m happy with the team overall.

Now that the draft is over, any guys you passed on who didn’t end up getting picked? My super low volume guy was prigioni, who had a high impact season with the 54 win knicks in 2013. Other guys were paul pressey, redick, dragic and batum.

And finally… if we hypothetically did another draft, I’d make it work with 90 Ewing. I guess people just passed on him because his 20.4 FGAs were pretty high for a post player, but he was a monster that season on both ends of the floor. Just a cut above relative to his career overall. 83 moses, too to a lesser extent.

In the 7th, if Kerr hadn't been their I'd have picked Redick, and he wasn't drafted.

In the 8th, I ended up debating between Buck and Nate Thurmond. I had thought from the beginning there was a good chance I'd end up taking Buck with my final pick, but I hadn't counted on Thurmond being available. I was tempted, but I tried to keep my philosophy in mind. It's possible that my team would have "done" better in judging with Thurmond, but I don't think it would have actually been as good as it will be with Buck.

[Quotatious]

Moses, Ewing and Drexler not getting taken is pretty shocking to me. 1983 Moses and 1990 Ewing were about as good as D-Rob, for example. I strongly considered taking Ewing with my second pick, and then taking Rasheed Wallace with my third pick, but I eventually decided to take Karl because I figured that either Mutombo or Ben Wallace will be available for my third selection, and Mutombo or Wallace + Malone seemed better from FGA perspective, than Ewing/Sheed, plus I like Malone's passing a lot more than Ewing's, and would prefer to have a defensive anchor who doesn't have a lot of offensive responsibilities, because if Ewing got into foul trouble, my offense would also suffer a lot, losing a 28 ppg scorer.

Drexler, being the great all-around player that he was, it's hard to believe that nobody took him (I probably would have, had I not taken Jordan).

[eminence]

'08 Calderon was a pretty low FGA guy that I seriously considered taking.

[theonlyclutch]

Here's my team of "guys I thought about that went undrafted". Honestly this draft was so bizarre that I think this is actually a pretty competitive roster.

G 96 Gary Payton (15.8) / 16 Ricky Rubio (7.7)
G 05 Mike Miller (10.1)
F 04 Tayshaun Prince (8.8) / 80 Cedric Maxwell (9.4)
F 96 Shawn Kemp (11.9)
C 83 Moses Malone (16.7) / 90 Mark Eaton (3.7)

Total: 84.1 FGA

There are like no shooters on the team, which is a big no-no in 2016.

[Quotatious]

Guys, remember our discussion from pages 19 and 20 of this thread (posts 377-386), after I mentioned a mysterious "true MVP, all-time great player"? Well, I was thinking about Ewing, pretty sure that some of you guys had Iverson in mind...I didn't expect anybody to take Iverson, but Ewing? He seemed like a GREAT centerpiece for any team, even as a first option (his awesome RS performance carried over the playoffs that year, he was really in the upper echelon of the best centers of all-time, that year).

[Square]

Here's my team of "guys I thought about that went undrafted". Honestly this draft was so bizarre that I think this is actually a pretty competitive roster.

G 96 Gary Payton (15.8) / 16 Ricky Rubio (7.7)
G 05 Mike Miller (10.1)
F 04 Tayshaun Prince (8.8) / 80 Cedric Maxwell (9.4)
F 96 Shawn Kemp (11.9)
C 83 Moses Malone (16.7) / 90 Mark Eaton (3.7)

Total: 84.1 FGA

There are like no shooters on the team, which is a big no-no in 2016.

Well, Mike Miller, plus Tayshaun to some extent. But you could try to replace Rubio or Maxwell with a shooter or two.

You can understand why a guy like Ewing didn't get picked. If you're going to take a guy with 18-20 FGA in this draft, you're basically saying that your offense is running through that guy. And Ewing was effective but just not that great offensively overall -- he was somewhat robotic, not a great passer, and has a rep (deserved or not) as a poor playoff performer.

I was a bit more surprised that Moses didn't go, plus lower tier guys like Payton and Kemp.

[Statlanta]

The fake-out of from drafters considering Dale Ellis in the 6th - 8th rounds was a real pain-staking experience. Vince Carter, Rick Barry and George Gervin were my final candidates for my final starting spot and it was a long process to cover who best fit the team.

[Dr Spaceman]

Guys, remember our discussion from pages 19 and 20 of this thread (posts 377-386), after I mentioned a mysterious "true MVP, all-time great player"? Well, I was thinking about Ewing, pretty sure that some of you guys had Iverson in mind...I didn't expect anybody to take Iverson, but Ewing? He seemed like a GREAT centerpiece for any team, even as a first option (his awesome RS performance carried over the playoffs that year, he was really in the upper echelon of the best centers of all-time, that year).

I knew you were talking about Ewing. I think Wojo was talking about Moses.