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Re: 2017 Golden State Warriors Thread 

Post#721 » by ronnymac2 » Sun Mar 5, 2017 11:29 pm

Warriors definitely do not make it out of the West without KD. Without Durant, this team is way worse than last year's team. They're missing Bogut (excellent per-minute defender, tough, elite rebounding, excellent passer), Leandro Barbosa (Seasoned vet, speed, 3-point shooting), and Harrison Barnes (SF/PF modern prototype). Durant covers this because he's the second best basketball player on planet Earth, but if he is also missing, this team is screwed. I see the Clippers and the Spurs beating them. I also see OKC beating them. GSW's Durant-less frontcourt would want no part of Adams/Kanter/Gibson, and I'll say this: Golden State ain't got an advantage at PG either.

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Post#722 » by Bruh Man » Sun Mar 5, 2017 11:29 pm

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JulesWinnfield wrote:Curry finished strong today and they got the W against a terrible Knick team, but they could never really separate. The Knicks were right there throughout and I think it got as close as 1 in the 4th quarter (112-105 final). They're going to have to play better if they're going to hold off San Antonio for that 1 seed, especially when the Spurs have two home games with them


I still think the Warriors make it out of the West, even without Durant.

But I think they're gonna need Durant to take out a fully healthy Cavs team with a fully motivated LeBron in June. TBH, I would pick Cleveland in that series. But without Durant? Warriors wouldn't have much of a shot imo.

Even when Durant comes back he won't be anywhere near 100%, Cavs are very fortunate.
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Post#723 » by JulesWinnfield » Sun Mar 5, 2017 11:35 pm

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JulesWinnfield wrote:Curry finished strong today and they got the W against a terrible Knick team, but they could never really separate. The Knicks were right there throughout and I think it got as close as 1 in the 4th quarter (112-105 final). They're going to have to play better if they're going to hold off San Antonio for that 1 seed, especially when the Spurs have two home games with them


I still think the Warriors make it out of the West, even without Durant.

But I think they're gonna need Durant to take out a fully healthy Cavs team with a fully motivated LeBron in June. TBH, I would pick Cleveland in that series. But without Durant? Warriors wouldn't have much of a shot imo.


It's tough for me to read how they match up with San Antonio in all honesty. The teams haven't played all that much against each other in recent years with some of the resting that has gone on, and they haven't seen each other in the playoffs in the Kerr era. My intuition is that they don't match up that well with Golden State despite the opening night romp, but I'd really like to see more of this matchup before I rule anything out. Unfortunately we won't see it with Durant until the playoffs

I think Houston would probably lose 9 out of 10 series against a healthy Warrior team, but their swing for the fences approach with absurd 3 point volume could yield an incredible upset if they happen to have a hot 2 week stretch, which isn't impossible

I think we all expect warriors vs Cavs if everyone stays healthy. If the warriors are healthy I still make them a clear favorite, but Cleveland is capable and certainly not awed
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Post#724 » by therealbig3 » Sun Mar 5, 2017 11:42 pm

I think SA struggles with matchups like GS: fast, athletic, great shooting, great singular talents (Curry).

I'd also feel very comfortable betting on Curry in a matchup with Westbrook.
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Post#725 » by GSP » Thu Mar 9, 2017 7:28 am

So theyre essentially 3-3 without Kd now if you count the game where Kd got injured and played a minute as a without Kd game. Im surprised by how mediocre the offense has been outside the Hawks game (~107 ORTG granted only 6 games but theyve had 2 sub-90 point games without Kd, lowest with Kd was 97 against Lakers when they werent gelled the first week of the season) which has really been their only good win in 6 games without him and theyve lost to every other playoff team. They completely collapsed in the 4th against us.

Gonna be interesting to see the Warriors with/without Kd numbers. Last Poy project Elgee had a post about his impact in a small sample

He posted one of the greatest small-sampled WOWY scores ever: OKC was -6 SRS in 7 games without Durant. With him, They were nearly a 10 SRS team, posting a 115 ORtg. His combined WOWY runs in the last 2 years against 3 different controlled lineups: 102 games in the lineup at 9.4 SRS. 18 games out of the lineup, OKC was -0.39.


I think its fairly obvious theyre not a finals team without Kd. Okc or Memphis in the 1st round without Kd have real upset potential as well. Denver would be interesting if they hold on to the 1st seed. Theres something about Dallas but i wouldnt be very confident in them winning more than 2 games.
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Post#726 » by RSCD3_ » Thu Mar 9, 2017 7:47 am

Obligatory "is Stephen Curry still a top 10 player" and "the warriors wouldn't make the playoffs without KD" posts

The Curry "hate" train has been smaller less vociferous than the Russell one but it's been there just subtler with all the talks of decline and doubt.

His efficiency skyrocketed with a big increase of usage and now his rhythm evidentially is affected as he is being used more off ball to compensate for the others at his own detriment IMO.

The stage is being set for a big playoff run for curry just saying.


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Post#727 » by AdagioPace » Thu Mar 9, 2017 8:07 am

therealbig3 wrote:I think SA struggles with matchups like GS: fast, athletic, great shooting, great singular talents (Curry).

I'd also feel very comfortable betting on Curry in a matchup with Westbrook.


Spurs are 4-4 against the warriors in the last 3 years of warriors reign

while the clippers (fast,athletic,talented) are 0-9

why..becasue the spurs have kawhi and Pop..the clippers doc rivers and his stepson
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Post#728 » by TroubleS0me » Thu Mar 9, 2017 8:22 am

The fact that they score only 86pts is interesting
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Post#729 » by therealbig3 » Thu Mar 9, 2017 8:29 am

Curry is in a major shooting slump, and IDK if he's ever gonna break out of it this season, because tbh, outside of some random games here and there when he exploded, his shot has not been nearly as automatic this year.

Beyond that, I'm starting to see what people were saying about how limited Green is as an offensive player, even in a complementary role, because he is NOT a floor spacer. He's been a bad 3pt shooter this year, especially with how defenses leave him wide open at the top of the arc and basically dare him to shoot on every possession.

I'm holding out hope that Curry without Durant turns back the clock to last year and goes back to Human Torch mode, and in that case, I still think the Warriors are the best team in the West, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen...I don't know if Curry has ever had a shooting slump like this in his career, tbh.
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Post#730 » by JulesWinnfield » Thu Mar 9, 2017 7:09 pm

It just looks weird seeing "6-4" in the last 10 column of the standings with them. First time that has happened in the Kerr era. They were never worse than 7-3 in any other 10 game regular season stretch before now for almost 3 seasons
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Post#731 » by GSP » Thu Mar 9, 2017 9:07 pm

TroubleS0me wrote:The fact that they score only 86pts is interesting


They had 87 against the Bulls without Kd as well.
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Post#732 » by TroubleS0me » Thu Mar 9, 2017 10:20 pm

GSP wrote:
TroubleS0me wrote:The fact that they score only 86pts is interesting


They had 87 against the Bulls without Kd as well.


86 pts @ home tho...
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Post#733 » by clyde21 » Thu Mar 9, 2017 11:12 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:It just looks weird seeing "6-4" in the last 10 column of the standings with them. First time that has happened in the Kerr era. They were never worse than 7-3 in any other 10 game regular season stretch before now for almost 3 seasons


Perfect storm of Durant injury, Curry/Thompson slumping hard, tough road stretch and Kerr having his head too high up his own ass.

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Post#734 » by DoubleO8 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:45 am

This team is looki g woeful excited to see how they rebound going forward
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Post#735 » by GSP » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:49 am

This team is a mess without Kd. I wonder how much Boguts screens played a part in their success last season....their offense without Kd has been downright putrid, bottom 5 in the league level so far.

Im surprised their defense hasnt taken a big hit but their offense has completely collapsed.
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Post#736 » by mischievous » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:26 am

Sounds like people are overreacting to a small sample of games. It's nothing new.
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Post#737 » by RightToCensor » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:59 am

Time to chalk up another loss? Spurs can even rest Kawhi and their vets.

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Post#738 » by G35 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:07 am

therealbig3 wrote:Curry is in a major shooting slump, and IDK if he's ever gonna break out of it this season, because tbh, outside of some random games here and there when he exploded, his shot has not been nearly as automatic this year.

Beyond that, I'm starting to see what people were saying about how limited Green is as an offensive player, even in a complementary role, because he is NOT a floor spacer. He's been a bad 3pt shooter this year, especially with how defenses leave him wide open at the top of the arc and basically dare him to shoot on every possession.

I'm holding out hope that Curry without Durant turns back the clock to last year and goes back to Human Torch mode, and in that case, I still think the Warriors are the best team in the West, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen...I don't know if Curry has ever had a shooting slump like this in his career, tbh.


Green also had an outlier year shooting the 3 last year, he is under his career average from that range.

His defense has been as high as it has ever been but without Durant covering his back, Green is showing he is not defensive anchor material on his own.

Without Durant it has also limited his options for playmaking. If Green was more than a role player he would call on his own offense with Curry struggling but he can't create his own shot, he is only average at finishing at the rim. And yes teams are daring him to shoot...the ultimate sign of being a role player......
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Post#739 » by StepBackCrack » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:15 am

Magic - "Golden State needs Kevin Durant".
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Post#740 » by JulesWinnfield » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:55 pm

A lot being made of this post game with igoudala. What a couple weeks for the Dubs

After a reporter asked the Warriors swingman if he had known coach Steve Kerr planned to rest Iguodala and three Warriors starters in Saturday's game against the Spurs, Iguodala told reporters (via ESPN). "Nope, no clue. I do what master say."

Frustrated by the 103-102 loss that included several calls that didn't go the Warriors' way, Iguodala later dropped a couple of other controversial remarks. When a reporter asked what had caused the loss, Iguodala said, "We gotta score more than the other team. Yep, they want dumb n—s, so I'm going to give y'all a dumb n—."

Iguodala continued on his regrettable theme when asked if there were other issues beyond just the team's offense. "What would dumb n—s say? 'Just play harder. Figure it out. Change gonna come.' You know what we used to say. Change gonna come."
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Iguodala told ESPN he was in no way referring to Kerr with the "master" comment, and that it was just an inside joke in the locker room.

"Me and Steve are cool," Iguodala said. "[People] can think what they want to think."


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