2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#741 » by therealbig3 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:13 pm

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Basileus777 wrote:Once the Nets clean up the turnovers they really are going to be such a nightmare to defend. Kyrie will actually fill an important void on the team, the offense was stagnating quite a bit when Harden was on the bench. Another superstar ballhandler will let them pressure teams all game long.


What is Harden's history makes you think the turnovers will get cleaned up? I mean, he's led the league in turnovers 6 of the last 8 years.


Because of the ridiculous amount of time he had the ball in his hands in Houston.

Even though he's been the PG for the Nets so far, he's not dominating the ball nearly as much, and most of his TOs are because he's not on the right page with his new teammates on some of these plays. Him and Deandre Jordan weren't connecting for most of the night, even though the play was there with the right timing.

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#742 » by Clyde Frazier » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:49 pm

Read on Twitter


One of the few times a mic'd up segment was worth watching and cool to see draymond break it down afterwards.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#743 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:53 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
Read on Twitter


One of the few times a mic'd up segment was worth watching and cool to see draymond break it down afterwards.


Dope. One of the highest IQs in the game.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#744 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:52 pm

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Read on Twitter


One of the few times a mic'd up segment was worth watching and cool to see draymond break it down afterwards.


As much as the Wiseman 19 year old mistakes are wearing on me, I can't help but think Draymond can help him turn into a force

Granted I thought something similar about Jordan Bell :lol:
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#745 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:58 am

parsnips33 wrote: I can't help but think Draymond can help him turn into a force


Draymond can definitely teach him some things if the kid will listen, but nobody makes anyone else into a force. That's gotta be on Wiseman.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#746 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:09 am

Did anyone just see Zion brutalize gobert in that big loss

Zions performances can different teams r weird lol, but him being able to post up gobert better than random wings is kind of funny
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#747 » by 70sFan » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:11 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Did anyone just see Zion brutalize gobert in that big loss

Zions performances can different teams r weird lol, but him being able to post up gobert better than random wings is kind of funny

His last bucket when he scored on Gobert in the post is amazing. It reminds me all beloved undersized post players like Dantley, Barkley, or Mason. Zion is a freak, can't wait to see him in his prime.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#748 » by eminence » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:41 pm

So by most measures (SRS and whatnot), there's a pretty clear top 5 performers so far this season (LAL/MIL/LAC/Utah/BKN). Anyone y'all feel is phony in there or anyone you're a bit disappointed in for not being up there? Brief summaries:

LAL - 9.38 SRS, +4.5 Off (5th), -5.6 Def (1st)
MIL - 8.38 SRS, +7.8 Off (2nd), -1.9 Def (T-8th)
LAC - 6.20 SRS, +8.3 Off (1st), +1.9 Def (T-22nd)
Utah - 6.04 SRS, +2.8 Off (T-8th), -3.2 Def (T-5th)
BKN - 5.92 SRS, +5.3 Off (4th), 0.0 Def (17th)
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Post#749 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:19 pm

eminence wrote:So by most measures (SRS and whatnot), there's a pretty clear top 5 performers so far this season (LAL/MIL/LAC/Utah/BKN). Anyone y'all feel is phony in there or anyone you're a bit disappointed in for not being up there? Brief summaries:

LAL - 9.38 SRS, +4.5 Off (5th), -5.6 Def (1st)
MIL - 8.38 SRS, +7.8 Off (2nd), -1.9 Def (T-8th)
LAC - 6.20 SRS, +8.3 Off (1st), +1.9 Def (T-22nd)
Utah - 6.04 SRS, +2.8 Off (T-8th), -3.2 Def (T-5th)
BKN - 5.92 SRS, +5.3 Off (4th), 0.0 Def (17th)


Utah have def been great but it’s hard to put them with the other four teams in terms of title aspirations, it feels like a big four this year even though obv Miami skadooshed the bucks last year
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#750 » by parsnips33 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:35 pm

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parsnips33 wrote: I can't help but think Draymond can help him turn into a force


Draymond can definitely teach him some things if the kid will listen, but nobody makes anyone else into a force. That's gotta be on Wiseman.


Absolutely. But even with his early season struggles, it seems like the kid wants to learn and wants to get better. That more than anything gives me hope.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#751 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:46 pm

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:Did anyone just see Zion brutalize gobert in that big loss

Zions performances can different teams r weird lol, but him being able to post up gobert better than random wings is kind of funny

His last bucket when he scored on Gobert in the post is amazing. It reminds me all beloved undersized post players like Dantley, Barkley, or Mason. Zion is a freak, can't wait to see him in his prime.


You really should have seen college zion, they’ve clearly told him to tone it down with the athleticism but he was unhinged back then



The 4th 2nd and first block really show the difference in how he was on defense in college vs nowadays, sure a lot of it was competition but there was a level or reckless hustle that was so fun to watch

#6 was just kinda wild because of how high he got on a swat, his head looks higher than wilts was in that 1962 clip which is insane considering Zion’s closer to Westbrook’s height than LeBrons lol

I’m curious how he does in a more spaced out offense, the pelicans are probably the worst team in the nba in terms of spacing, they have one player shooting above league average from three which is kind of absurd when their future centerpiece, and they don’t have a four that can shoot respectably at all.

Given that he probably has the worst spacing in the nba and given his attributes it’s he needs it more than anyone else, he’s been pretty good after a slow start. Defense is gonna be a concern but he’s hitting

27.2-8-2.5 on 2.7 turnovers. 3 offensive rebounds a game and hitting 70% from the ft line too in that span. 62.2% from the field Too, and he’s gone against AD, Gobert, and Turner in that span, and even if he wasn’t scoring all his points against them their rim protection is gonna effect him and AD and Gobert both spent a lot of time on him (I didn’t watch the pacers game but he got a good and one right against turner to almost seal the deal before the top level choke. Since he’s

More encouragingly though is most of his turnovers come from offensive fouls (8 bad passes, 9 losing the ball, 10 offensive fouls)

Zion being top ten in The league in offensive rebounds a game despite playing with Adams who gobbles them up as well is pretty impressive

They’ve put him in a really different role this year, last year it was about getting him the ball on the move and they still do that, but they’re trying to have him initiate a lot more too. They’ve been using screening well to mitigate for a lack of spacing (That center screen on the big in the paint to stop them from helping)


At the end of the day zions probably gonna be a guy that drives first, so it’s good to see him develop in that area. For guys averaging more than 6 points off of drives (granted he’s at 6.1) which isn’t a lot, 38 guys fit this category, but he’s efficiency on drives, considering the horrible spacing around him, has been solid at 55.8%. good for 12th, and it’s trending upwards a bit in the past few games too. It’s not surprising buts he’s one of the best at fts drawn per drive too.



You’d expect that to go down with experience (for reference, if he kept up that pace for a year hed have 68, Shaqs career highest is 44)





Edit: somewhat wild stat, in these 6 past games he’s rebounded 9 of his misses

He’s 69/111 in that span (one three lol) but since he rebounded 9 misses, that means he’s more 69/102. They only failed to score once on his own shot offensive rebound In that span, where he got it and bledsoe missed the shot (normally he just puts it back in, although tbf that’s 6/7 since he missed, rebound, missed, rebounded again, and scored once or twice)

69/102 would be 67.6% instead of 62.6%. It might just be because I was looking for the name Zion and bias but it looks like his misses in general are rebounded by his team too, while it’s a super small sample, not indicicitive and a super noisy way at looking at rebounding impact, (Shaw’s negative in this regard despite being one of the best offensive rebounders) should be noted last year Zions teams offensive rebounding improved by 5% ish with him on the floor, this year 8% ish, which would be better than Drummond, in line with adams, 97 and 98 rodman.

He does seem too attract attention as an offensive rebounder even though I’m def not saying he’s in those guys levels


I don’t know how to find points in the paint on nba.com but he’s averaging 22.6 within 10 feet in that span, which would probably be the highest post wilt (for reference, Giannis peaks at 17ppg within 10 feet, Shaq was at 22.5 per game in the paint in 2000, but we don’t have within 10 feet numbers. At one point when Giannis was averaging 35 a game I think he was averaging more in the paint than shaq though

Considering how raw he is and that it’s his 36th game, if he keeps it up he’s in pretty good shape after a disappointing start

Zion having a solid postgame is so good for his development though because it gives him an option if they cut off his drive.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#752 » by eminence » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:55 pm

I chuckled.



Wtf was that defense OKC?
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#753 » by GSP » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:12 pm

eminence wrote:So by most measures (SRS and whatnot), there's a pretty clear top 5 performers so far this season (LAL/MIL/LAC/Utah/BKN). Anyone y'all feel is phony in there or anyone you're a bit disappointed in for not being up there? Brief summaries:

LAL - 9.38 SRS, +4.5 Off (5th), -5.6 Def (1st)
MIL - 8.38 SRS, +7.8 Off (2nd), -1.9 Def (T-8th)
LAC - 6.20 SRS, +8.3 Off (1st), +1.9 Def (T-22nd)
Utah - 6.04 SRS, +2.8 Off (T-8th), -3.2 Def (T-5th)
BKN - 5.92 SRS, +5.3 Off (4th), 0.0 Def (17th)


I expected Phoenix to be in there in place of Utah
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#754 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:46 pm

eminence wrote:So by most measures (SRS and whatnot), there's a pretty clear top 5 performers so far this season (LAL/MIL/LAC/Utah/BKN). Anyone y'all feel is phony in there or anyone you're a bit disappointed in for not being up there? Brief summaries:

LAL - 9.38 SRS, +4.5 Off (5th), -5.6 Def (1st)
MIL - 8.38 SRS, +7.8 Off (2nd), -1.9 Def (T-8th)
LAC - 6.20 SRS, +8.3 Off (1st), +1.9 Def (T-22nd)
Utah - 6.04 SRS, +2.8 Off (T-8th), -3.2 Def (T-5th)
BKN - 5.92 SRS, +5.3 Off (4th), 0.0 Def (17th)

Utah is definitely the clear surprise here. I think most people before the season would have expected the Nuggets, Celtics, Heat or Mavs to be in that group instead.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#755 » by MisterHibachi » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:02 am

Cavs are playing zone possessions against Brooklyn yet have somehow held them to under 50 points in the first half.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#756 » by toodles23 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:52 am

Maybe I'm setting myself up to get totally owned when this post is bumped in a few months but I really don't think this Nets team is that scary. Their defense utterly pathetic and is going to get carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey by contending teams, they have an amazing combination of having awful point of attack defense on top of having almost no interior presence - DJ at this point of his career is not going to be able to plug the holes, if he ever was that level of defender to begin with.

I'll reserve judgment on their offense, that's clearly going to take some time to gel.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#757 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:14 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Cavs are playing zone possessions against Brooklyn yet have somehow held them to under 50 points in the first half.


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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#758 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:26 am

toodles23 wrote:Maybe I'm setting myself up to get totally owned when this post is bumped in a few months but I really don't think this Nets team is that scary. Their defense utterly pathetic and is going to get carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey by contending teams, they have an amazing combination of having awful point of attack defense on top of having almost no interior presence - DJ at this point of his career is not going to be able to plug the holes, if he ever was that level of defender to begin with.

I'll reserve judgment on their offense, that's clearly going to take some time to gel.


I mean regardless of how they rank on offense there’s clearly potential for this to be one of the most unstoppable offensive team ever, so they’re definitely scary. It’ll depend on coaching how they’ll be in the playoffs defensively, but they lack rim protection and def have a few weaknesses and weak individual defenders, but they’re not like the worst defensive team of all time lol
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#759 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am

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