2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

Peregrine01 · Post #741 » by **Peregrine01** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:16 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:

Read on Twitter

It's one thing to keep playing despite 47+ players entering protocols in the past two weeks, but even suggesting this sounds bat **** crazy to me.

PCR tests are so sensitive that it can detect dead fragments of the virus in your nose. Positive tests no longer accurately measure infectiousness with high vaccination rates currently.

Anyway, given how rampant the NBA has been testing lately, I won't be surprised in the slightest that we get ever more players entering protocol.

Colbinii · Post #742 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:52 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:

Read on Twitter

It's one thing to keep playing despite 47+ players entering protocols in the past two weeks, but even suggesting this sounds bat **** crazy to me.

PCR tests are so sensitive that it can detect dead fragments of the virus in your nose. Positive tests no longer accurately measure infectiousness with high vaccination rates currently.

Anyway, given how rampant the NBA has been testing lately, I won't be surprised in the slightest that we get ever more players entering protocol.

Yup, good post.

The same is happening in the NFL.

I also think we need to be cautious as COVID cases are on a rise nation wide.

Peregrine01 · Post #743 » by **Peregrine01** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:40 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:

Read on Twitter

It's one thing to keep playing despite 47+ players entering protocols in the past two weeks, but even suggesting this sounds bat **** crazy to me.

PCR tests are so sensitive that it can detect dead fragments of the virus in your nose. Positive tests no longer accurately measure infectiousness with high vaccination rates currently.

Anyway, given how rampant the NBA has been testing lately, I won't be surprised in the slightest that we get ever more players entering protocol.

Yup, good post.

The same is happening in the NFL.

I also think we need to be cautious as COVID cases are on a rise nation wide.

Case growth has become completely detached from hospitalization or mortality trends - especially in highly vaccinated areas. Take NYC: cases (or positive tests to be more exact) are the highest since last winter but hospitalizations have remained at very low levels.

Colbinii · Post #744 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
PCR tests are so sensitive that it can detect dead fragments of the virus in your nose. Positive tests no longer accurately measure infectiousness with high vaccination rates currently.

Anyway, given how rampant the NBA has been testing lately, I won't be surprised in the slightest that we get ever more players entering protocol.

Yup, good post.

The same is happening in the NFL.

I also think we need to be cautious as COVID cases are on a rise nation wide.

Case growth has become completely detached from hospitalization or mortality trends - especially in highly vaccinated areas. Take NYC: cases (or positive tests to be more exact) are the highest since last winter but hospitalizations have remained at very low levels.

You're right but they are still rising. My girlfriend works at a hospital in Minneapolis and the ICU's are full with people coming from Western Wisconsin and Rural Minnesota.

Peregrine01 · Post #745 » by **Peregrine01** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Yup, good post.

The same is happening in the NFL.

I also think we need to be cautious as COVID cases are on a rise nation wide.

Case growth has become completely detached from hospitalization or mortality trends - especially in highly vaccinated areas. Take NYC: cases (or positive tests to be more exact) are the highest since last winter but hospitalizations have remained at very low levels.

You're right but they are still rising. My girlfriend works at a hospital in Minneapolis and the ICU's are full with people coming from Western Wisconsin and Rural Minnesota.

I'm sure there are places feeling strain in less-immunized areas. It's a shame but these people willingly took the risk by not getting vaxxed.

parsnips33 · Post #746 » by **parsnips33** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:10 pm

What do you do if you're the Nuggets from a teambuilding perspective? Just wait on Murray to come back? Is there a trade to be made?

It'd be a shame if after a couple all timer seasons from Jokic all they have to show for it are early playoff exits

Colbinii · Post #747 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:25 pm

parsnips33 wrote:What do you do if you're the Nuggets from a teambuilding perspective? Just wait on Murray to come back? Is there a trade to be made?

It'd be a shame if after a couple all timer seasons from Jokic all they have to show for it are early playoff exits

Its a great question where I have spent too much time thinking about recently.

The teams second best player is currently Will Barton followed by Aaron Gordon and Monte Morris.

Unfortunately none of these players hold much [if any] value around the league.

I would look at moving Monte Morris with a 1st round pick for an upgrade around the wing.

falcolombardi · Post #748 » by **falcolombardi** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:37 pm

i feel like jokic historic season should make us appreciate how hard taking a truly bad roster into the playoofs really is, and maybe give some appreciation to some other great "carryjob" efforts (coughcough 17'westbrookcough)

Post #749 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:20 pm

parsnips33 wrote:What do you do if you're the Nuggets from a teambuilding perspective? Just wait on Murray to come back? Is there a trade to be made?

It'd be a shame if after a couple all timer seasons from Jokic all they have to show for it are early playoff exits

I think you just have to wait. The two guys who in theory would be most enticing for other to acquire are both hurt, so beyond that you're talking about getting rid of the role player depth you'd expect to need to make a title contender when those guys come back.

That's not to say they couldn't make a small move in theory, but I doubt any small move turns them into a serious contender this year. If they end up a serious contender this year, it's probably just about Jokic getting better and better.

GSP · Post #750 » by **GSP** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:09 am

falcolombardi wrote:i feel like jokic historic season should make us appreciate how hard taking a truly bad roster into the playoofs really is, and maybe give some appreciation to some other great "carryjob" efforts (coughcough 17'westbrookcough)

Jokic has literal g leaguers in there and the worst bench in the league by far. That Okc team had a ton of talent. Oladipo, Sabonis, Jerami, Kanter, Adams, Roberson, Taj. Not comparable at all

Colbinii · Post #751 » by **Colbinii** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:36 am

GSP wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:i feel like jokic historic season should make us appreciate how hard taking a truly bad roster into the playoofs really is, and maybe give some appreciation to some other great "carryjob" efforts (coughcough 17'westbrookcough)

Jokic has literal g leaguers in there and the worst bench in the league by far. That Okc team had a ton of talent. Oladipo, Sabonis, Jerami, Kanter, Adams, Roberson, Taj. Not comparable at all

I agree [Though Taj played 23 games, Sabonis was terrible].

The difference is OKC was +3.9 per 100 with Westbrook on the court while DEN is +12.0 with Jokic on the court.

LeBron James has 2 seasons where he is at least +12 on-court. Shaq and Dirk each have 1 season at that on-court rating.

Colbinii · Post #752 » by **Colbinii** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:41 am

If the playoffs started tomorrow, would anyone take someone over LeBron James? Who would you take over him?

His last 9 games since returning from Injury he is posting 30/7/8 [Rounded up] with 62 TS% [58 eFG%] and 118/106 Ortg/Drtg [Per game estimates via BBRef].

mikejames23 · Post #753 » by **mikejames23** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:44 am

I really wonder if Jokic can take his game to a LeBron like point, and lead this team to a 60 Wins type game. I doubt it, but anything's still possible in his career.

eminence · Post #754 » by **eminence** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:08 am

I'd say unlikely due to minutes as much as anything.

falcolombardi · Post #755 » by **falcolombardi** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:55 am

Colbinii wrote:If the playoffs started tomorrow, would anyone take someone over LeBron James? Who would you take over him?

His last 9 games since returning from Injury he is posting 30/7/8 [Rounded up] with 62 TS% [58 eFG%] and 118/106 Ortg/Drtg [Per game estimates via BBRef].

health would make dubitative

if i was assured lebron would be healthy all through i think i only would take giannis and jokic 100% over him

and consider curry, durant, embiid

mikejames23 · Post #756 » by **mikejames23** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:49 am

Where does this LeBron rank to y'all? Better than maybe the 07 type LeBron? Below the '20 version? Too old and worst version yet?

I need to watch him for an entire year to come to a ready conclusion. Still early and he can turn the season around with a good run from Laker veterans.

Post #757 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:00 pm

Colbinii wrote:If the playoffs started tomorrow, would anyone take someone over LeBron James? Who would you take over him?

His last 9 games since returning from Injury he is posting 30/7/8 [Rounded up] with 62 TS% [58 eFG%] and 118/106 Ortg/Drtg [Per game estimates via BBRef].

Giannis and Jokic for absolute certain. Then there are maybe a couple others I'd consider. But yeah Lebron still really good. Silly how good he still is with this many hard miles on that body.

I just see no chance he doesn't end his career the clear GOAT and having set the bar so high it might be 50 years or more before he has a challenger. Absurd career that amazingly enough is underappreciated despite all the accolades.

RCM88x · Post #758 » by **RCM88x** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:49 am

Was looking at the line for the Cavs game tonight (knowing Okoro and Mobley are both out) and was blown away we are favored. Had no idea the Bucks had so many guys in protocols too.

This is really getting nuts, hopefully the wave passes through the league pretty quickly and it doesn't impact too much of the season.

eminence · Post #759 » by **eminence** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:56 am

Not looking good early for the Warriors B team. Raptors looking to flatten them.

Colbinii · Post #760 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:49 pm

I know most of you don't watch the team from the Land of 10,000 Lakes but Jared Vanderbilt is the perfect 4 next to Karl-Anthony Towns.

First of all, he is, without a doubt the best offensive rebounding non-center in the league and has an argument for the best offensive rebounder in the league [counting centers].

He is averaging 3.4 Oreb/G since getting consistent minutes [Starting game 4 of the season] and his Oreb% is 12.1%. Its a joy to watch him in today's NBA as he is a hawk and utilizes the spacing on the court as a weapon to cut through the lane for offensive rebounds. I have never seen someone do what he does on every single possession offensively.

Defensively he is extremely active, strong enough to hang with guys like LeBron but quick enough to defend larger 2's. He averages 1.5 steals per game and doesn't let his offensive rebounding get in the way of getting back defensively.

Extremely unique player in todays NBA.