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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#741 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:12 am

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EmpireFalls wrote:Jokic has given up approximately 50 wide open jumpers off DHO action tonight. Let’s pump the brakes a bit with him kids.

Not sure what this cryptic comment is supposed to be meant for. I'm sure everyone is well aware that Jokic has defensive limitations. What is a single regular season game supposed to indicative of that almost 800 NBA games have not already shown us? Do you seriously believe that the people who hold Jokic in very high regard are going to change their tune based on a poor defensive game as if their opinion on him is so shallow that they have not already taken those defensive shortcomings into consideration when forming it?

I take the opinions of this board with a lot of respect, and it’s been argued by quite a few people that Jokic may be putting forth the greatest peak ever. For me I just don’t see it.
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Post#742 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:02 am

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The-Power wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:Jokic has given up approximately 50 wide open jumpers off DHO action tonight. Let’s pump the brakes a bit with him kids.

Not sure what this cryptic comment is supposed to be meant for. I'm sure everyone is well aware that Jokic has defensive limitations. What is a single regular season game supposed to indicative of that almost 800 NBA games have not already shown us? Do you seriously believe that the people who hold Jokic in very high regard are going to change their tune based on a poor defensive game as if their opinion on him is so shallow that they have not already taken those defensive shortcomings into consideration when forming it?

I take the opinions of this board with a lot of respect, and it’s been argued by quite a few people that Jokic may be putting forth the greatest peak ever. For me I just don’t see it.


So I suppose that you'll show up here every time he has a bad game?
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#743 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:09 am

No, forget I said anything. This is a bizarrely defensive and anti-discussion reaction.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#744 » by OhayoKD » Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:56 am

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EmpireFalls wrote:
The-Power wrote:Not sure what this cryptic comment is supposed to be meant for. I'm sure everyone is well aware that Jokic has defensive limitations. What is a single regular season game supposed to indicative of that almost 800 NBA games have not already shown us? Do you seriously believe that the people who hold Jokic in very high regard are going to change their tune based on a poor defensive game as if their opinion on him is so shallow that they have not already taken those defensive shortcomings into consideration when forming it?

I take the opinions of this board with a lot of respect, and it’s been argued by quite a few people that Jokic may be putting forth the greatest peak ever. For me I just don’t see it.


So I suppose that you'll show up here every time he has a bad game?

Is there a reason he shouldn't?

EmpireFalls wrote:No, forget I said anything. This is a bizarrely defensive and anti-discussion reaction.

Just ignore them and do your thing. People who don't want to talk ball shouldn't be gatekeeping those who do.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#745 » by parsnips33 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:31 pm

Man Giannis is just ridiculous
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Post#746 » by OhayoKD » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:56 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Man Giannis is just ridiculous

His performance has convinced me the NBA cup > NBA championship
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#747 » by Special_Puppy » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:17 pm

OhayoKD wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:I take the opinions of this board with a lot of respect, and it’s been argued by quite a few people that Jokic may be putting forth the greatest peak ever. For me I just don’t see it.


So I suppose that you'll show up here every time he has a bad game?

Is there a reason he shouldn't?

EmpireFalls wrote:No, forget I said anything. This is a bizarrely defensive and anti-discussion reaction.

Just ignore them and do your thing. People who don't want to talk ball shouldn't be gatekeeping those who do.


One bad game isn't going to convince people of anything. Just as one great game shouldn't convince people of anything.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#748 » by parsnips33 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:57 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
So I suppose that you'll show up here every time he has a bad game?

Is there a reason he shouldn't?

EmpireFalls wrote:No, forget I said anything. This is a bizarrely defensive and anti-discussion reaction.

Just ignore them and do your thing. People who don't want to talk ball shouldn't be gatekeeping those who do.


One bad game isn't going to convince people of anything. Just as one great game shouldn't convince people of anything.


It's not like he's submitting an article to Scientific American, I think one game is plenty sample size to make a comment on the discussion thread
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#749 » by The High Cyde » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:39 am

parsnips33 wrote:Man Giannis is just ridiculous

He’s been nothing but flames this year. As good as Jokic is, Giannis is peaking right now as well, a solid case for MVP exists for him. He’s looking like shades of late Miami late Cleveland v2 LeBron, which is in running for strongest peaks of all time. Especially if he stays cooking from midrange, it’ll really unlock his game and make the team true contenders again. Him in the post is a nightmare not many teams have a good counter for still. If anything he’s still one of the most physically dominant players in the league, and he looks more driven this year, he’s looking like the Greek Freak but better, and he’s sharpened his approach to the game from blunt hammer to a pickaxe warhammer, it’ll still get the job done but it’ll be be more efficient and unstoppable to scale. I feel like he needs just a touch more of KG in his game, and given he’s already a mini condensed Shaq this would be incredibly rare and spectacular to see. The purist in me would really love a full health Nugs v Bucks seven game series, led by two of the greatest players we’ve seen.

I think given how competitive Giannis is, he probably hates the Celtics, just unfortunate Embiid couldn’t make the list here to add in some more rivalry. Embiid is almost a bust in comparison to Tatum and Giannis and Jokic now, injuries and an incompetent FO really worked against him so it’s tough. But yeah the Celtics, I think Brown is going to take another step forward this year, and with how good Tatum already is plus having a unicorn, with White Holiday, it’ll be a very tough team to climb. But I think the Bucks are there right with them now. Khris will get better, Dame is looking like he’s setting in now. The team just needs to play solid defense and take shots when they can, with Giannis being a seemingly more imposing presence this year shots will fall into their lap. He will give them a chance every game alone by just being the highest tier player in that entire conference.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#750 » by The-Power » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:48 am

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EmpireFalls wrote:No, forget I said anything. This is a bizarrely defensive and anti-discussion reaction.

Just ignore them and do your thing. People who don't want to talk ball shouldn't be gatekeeping those who do.

I honestly think discussion is stifled by users such as yourself who I know are knowledgeable and can contribute a lot but tend to not always use that to foster a constructive discussion but instead choose to be dismissive. Even here, you defend the post I reacted to solely because it shared your skepticism of Jokic and not because of it was well-argued or informative. Had the same kind of post been made concerning a player you think highly of, you would have been the first to call it out. That inconsistency is grounded in bias, plain and simple.

Personally, I don't think my comment was in any way defensive or anti-discussion (to be quite frank, the initial post did not invite for any discussion at all). The initial comments essentially says: ‘See this one game in the middle of December? Perhaps this multi-time MVP who has played almost 800 games by now is not what y'all thought he was’. I think it's fair to question the point of the comment, and to push back against what it implies, namely that the people who see Jokic as a GOAT-level player are somehow oblivious to the obvious.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#751 » by The-Power » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:55 am

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parsnips33 wrote:Man Giannis is just ridiculous

He’s been nothing but flames this year. As good as Jokic is, Giannis is peaking right now as well

Maybe you can argue that he is peaking offensively (though the rough FT shooting gives me serious pause here). Maybe you can argue that this current version of Giannis would be the one to choose for a single elimination game. But his overall peak? I find that a tough argument. What would you base this on?
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#752 » by The High Cyde » Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:13 am

The-Power wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:Man Giannis is just ridiculous

He’s been nothing but flames this year. As good as Jokic is, Giannis is peaking right now as well

Maybe you can argue that he is peaking offensively (though the rough FT shooting gives me serious pause here). Maybe you can argue that this current version of Giannis would be the one to choose for a single elimination game. But his overall peak? I find that a tough argument. What would you base this on?

Hmmm I think it’s because this is the age where players are playing their absolute best, their mind has caught up to their body and how to get exactly what they want on the court. Another way of seeing it is to check his stats relative to the league, and with the eye test, I don’t see another player other than Jokic in his realm. SGA is knocking on the door but he’s not reaching Giannis’ heights. Neither is Tatum, but we all know that ship has sailed.
1A/1B right now is Jokic and Giannis, they’ve left whoever you pick as third in the dust here. That’s only possible if you’re peaking, given the wealth of talent and their separation over it in the league.
Greek was all hustle and power as a player, but if someone as big and strong and fast as he is also had a respectable jumper there really isn’t a defense geared towards stopping it. You can only build the wall effectively so many times. He is more experienced and poised, it doesn’t always translate to stats linearly but I think this year he is better, it’s marginal, but he was always a terrific player already. His defense while not DPOY level is still very impressive and he is someone you can count on on that end. His abandonment of the three to embrace more of the midrange, post, and just being a general mismatch everytime looking to attack is right now difficult to stop. As good as the Celts have been, I’m not counting out Milwaukee to come out the East. Giannis deserves his due credit for sure, he’s been phenomenal.
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Post#753 » by Peregrine01 » Thu Dec 19, 2024 5:45 am

EmpireFalls wrote:No, forget I said anything. This is a bizarrely defensive and anti-discussion reaction.


Half your posts on here are some variation of "Warriors are gonna win the west" or "Jokic sucks on defense". Sounds like you're here to defend an agenda that you've made your mind on.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#754 » by Peregrine01 » Thu Dec 19, 2024 5:47 am

The High Cyde wrote:
The-Power wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:He’s been nothing but flames this year. As good as Jokic is, Giannis is peaking right now as well

Maybe you can argue that he is peaking offensively (though the rough FT shooting gives me serious pause here). Maybe you can argue that this current version of Giannis would be the one to choose for a single elimination game. But his overall peak? I find that a tough argument. What would you base this on?

Hmmm I think it’s because this is the age where players are playing their absolute best, their mind has caught up to their body and how to get exactly what they want on the court. Another way of seeing it is to check his stats relative to the league, and with the eye test, I don’t see another player other than Jokic in his realm. SGA is knocking on the door but he’s not reaching Giannis’ heights. Neither is Tatum, but we all know that ship has sailed.
1A/1B right now is Jokic and Giannis, they’ve left whoever you pick as third in the dust here. That’s only possible if you’re peaking, given the wealth of talent and their separation over it in the league.
Greek was all hustle and power as a player, but if someone as big and strong and fast as he is also had a respectable jumper there really isn’t a defense geared towards stopping it. You can only build the wall effectively so many times. He is more experienced and poised, it doesn’t always translate to stats linearly but I think this year he is better, it’s marginal, but he was always a terrific player already. His defense while not DPOY level is still very impressive and he is someone you can count on on that end. His abandonment of the three to embrace more of the midrange, post, and just being a general mismatch everytime looking to attack is right now difficult to stop. As good as the Celts have been, I’m not counting out Milwaukee to come out the East. Giannis deserves his due credit for sure, he’s been phenomenal.


What's strange is that he's having a completely outlier year with his shooting but his FT shooting is somehow the worst of his career. It's gotta be mental with him at the line.

I think the bigger question with Giannis is whether he's gonna be healthy at the end of the year.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#755 » by parsnips33 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:57 am

EmpireFalls undo the juju you cast on my team please
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Post#756 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:32 am

Don't think the Warriors are making the playoffs again unless they fleece someone in a trade.

I already think Curry is likely past his prime.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#757 » by OhayoKD » Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:06 am

parsnips33 wrote:EmpireFalls undo the juju you cast on my team please

The juju will only be undone when ben taylor admits Steph Curry has -10 Port
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#758 » by jalengreen » Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:20 am

Man Wemby is so so good. Great to have another GOAT talent in the league, it just seems stupidly obvious that he's on track to go down as one of the best ever.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#759 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:30 am

Never mind I’m back.

Watch the Simons game winner tonight.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#760 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:52 am

parsnips33 wrote:EmpireFalls undo the juju you cast on my team please

Remember that they also had a loss this lopsided to Memphis in the 2022 WCSF. Trust the process :lol:

Seriously WTF happened. I was clinging onto the whole 2022 formula being repeated again, the early season Warriors had a top 3 defense and were surrounding Curry with the right mix of athleticism and shooting. Or so it seemed. I don’t know, no one took them seriously as a title contender that year and I figured I’d be early on them this year.

This has gone spectacularly downhill since Steph’s injury. Podz is a mess, Kuminga and Green minutes are all jumbled, and it turns out that the Melton loss was huge as he was a gigantic part of their defensive success. Things look grim.

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