The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#781 » by trickshot » Wed Jan 1, 2025 9:55 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
donnieme wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
They are certainly set on the wings with Reaves, Christie, Knecht, DFS, Vando, Rui, LeBron.

They just need a backup G and C for 20 minutes total.

I think to an extent you need to be willing to accept the tradeoff that the bench initiator role is going to take a permanent dive with Dlo gone. Lebron/AR/AD are going to fill the gap by committee especially Reaves but it's difficult to replace that facet of dlos game midseason. The way Wolves got Conley comes to mind but that was luck. The reason I say it's worth it is Reddick's offense doesn't really need a high usage initiator at the point of attack.

Unrelated but for people wondering, Dlo having the highest net rating was also an illusion. He played heavily protected minutes. In reality Reddick benches him during the toughest parts of the game or when he started being himself. He was also almost always the first one off once team started targeting him. He was getting phased out already.


On one hand you understand this about Redicks offense not needing a traditional point guard, on the other hand you don't understand why replacing Rui with a non-perimeter C would be a problem.

Let me break it down from this viewpoint.
I understand there's different ways to win a basketball game, That floor spacing C is like the most misunderstood factor to that end.
I understand Lebron and AD are actually underrated on both ends playing with traditional 5s and won't somehow fall off a cliff with one.
I understand no one on the team is transcendent enough at using all that spacing to offset what the team is losing without at least one traditional 5.
So discard all of the above, let's say you want to truly play 5 out to counter bigger teams you need to outrun and gun them but Lakers are trying to use Rui Hachimura and 40 yr old Lebron to do that. If you don't at least have the option get ready to be spanked in the playoffs.

This is of course opinion based, as are all perspectives.
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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#782 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:16 pm

donnieme wrote:
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donnieme wrote:I think to an extent you need to be willing to accept the tradeoff that the bench initiator role is going to take a permanent dive with Dlo gone. Lebron/AR/AD are going to fill the gap by committee especially Reaves but it's difficult to replace that facet of dlos game midseason. The way Wolves got Conley comes to mind but that was luck. The reason I say it's worth it is Reddick's offense doesn't really need a high usage initiator at the point of attack.

Unrelated but for people wondering, Dlo having the highest net rating was also an illusion. He played heavily protected minutes. In reality Reddick benches him during the toughest parts of the game or when he started being himself. He was also almost always the first one off once team started targeting him. He was getting phased out already.


On one hand you understand this about Redicks offense not needing a traditional point guard, on the other hand you don't understand why replacing Rui with a non-perimeter C would be a problem.

Let me break it down from this viewpoint.
I understand there's different ways to win a basketball game, That floor spacing C is like the most misunderstood factor to that end.
I understand Lebron and AD are actually underrated on both ends playing with traditional 5s and won't somehow fall off a cliff with one.
I understand no one on the team is transcendent enough at using all that spacing to offset what the team is losing without at least one traditional 5.
So discard all of the above, let's say you want to truly play 5 out to counter bigger teams you need to outrun and gun them but Lakers are trying to use Rui Hachimura and 40 yr old Lebron to do that. If you don't at least have the option get ready to be spanked in the playoffs.

This is of course opinion based, as are all perspectives.


It's not about run and gun.

A lot of the plays they use require guys to be on the perimeter or shoot from the perimeter. Even Davis is being pushed to shoot from perimeter more. Redick is not going to want to have a big that can move and setup for plays. I think the ideal big for lakers is Jalen Smith.

The 19-20 lakers were elite in transition, quite the opposite of the current Lakers. Current Lakers rely on half court plays that use spacing.
Current LeBron can't be chasing guards on perimeter either, which would happen if he's playing with Davis and Kessler on court.
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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#783 » by trickshot » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:45 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
donnieme wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
On one hand you understand this about Redicks offense not needing a traditional point guard, on the other hand you don't understand why replacing Rui with a non-perimeter C would be a problem.

Let me break it down from this viewpoint.
I understand there's different ways to win a basketball game, That floor spacing C is like the most misunderstood factor to that end.
I understand Lebron and AD are actually underrated on both ends playing with traditional 5s and won't somehow fall off a cliff with one.
I understand no one on the team is transcendent enough at using all that spacing to offset what the team is losing without at least one traditional 5.
So discard all of the above, let's say you want to truly play 5 out to counter bigger teams you need to outrun and gun them but Lakers are trying to use Rui Hachimura and 40 yr old Lebron to do that. If you don't at least have the option get ready to be spanked in the playoffs.

This is of course opinion based, as are all perspectives.


It's not about run and gun.

A lot of the plays they use require guys to be on the perimeter or shoot from the perimeter. Even Davis is being pushed to shoot from perimeter more. Redick is not going to want to have a big that can move and setup for plays. I think the ideal big for lakers is Jalen Smith.

The 19-20 lakers were elite in transition, quite the opposite of the current Lakers. Current Lakers rely on half court plays that use spacing.
Current LeBron can't be chasing guards on perimeter either, which would happen if he's playing with Davis and Kessler on court.

Alright. All good. I actually disagree on a lot of this, like asking Lebron to wrestle PFs and be a secondary paint defender imo isn't better than having him make a couple more closeouts on mostly corner shooters. BUT let's just keep it pushing and agree to disagree. And1.
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Post#784 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 11:02 pm

DFS was defending Mitchell very well in the opening game. Makes you realise that he can play SG on defense like Vando did but DFS is the better shooter.

That does change things a bit but Lakers do need a 3rd playmaker outside of LeBron and Reaves that you'd want to get minutes in the playoffs so that 2 can be on the court at all times.

Just a 20% ast% guy, not a point guard but a secondary playmaker is fine. That could be a wing.

PG: Reaves (38) | Christie (10)
SG: Christie (24) | DFS (24)
SF: SF (38) | DFS (10)
PF: LeBron (38) | Davis (10)
C : Davis (30) | C (18)

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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#785 » by nzahir » Thu Jan 2, 2025 12:50 am

donnieme wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
donnieme wrote:Let me break it down from this viewpoint.
I understand there's different ways to win a basketball game, That floor spacing C is like the most misunderstood factor to that end.
I understand Lebron and AD are actually underrated on both ends playing with traditional 5s and won't somehow fall off a cliff with one.
I understand no one on the team is transcendent enough at using all that spacing to offset what the team is losing without at least one traditional 5.
So discard all of the above, let's say you want to truly play 5 out to counter bigger teams you need to outrun and gun them but Lakers are trying to use Rui Hachimura and 40 yr old Lebron to do that. If you don't at least have the option get ready to be spanked in the playoffs.

This is of course opinion based, as are all perspectives.


It's not about run and gun.

A lot of the plays they use require guys to be on the perimeter or shoot from the perimeter. Even Davis is being pushed to shoot from perimeter more. Redick is not going to want to have a big that can move and setup for plays. I think the ideal big for lakers is Jalen Smith.

The 19-20 lakers were elite in transition, quite the opposite of the current Lakers. Current Lakers rely on half court plays that use spacing.
Current LeBron can't be chasing guards on perimeter either, which would happen if he's playing with Davis and Kessler on court.

Alright. All good. I actually disagree on a lot of this, like asking Lebron to wrestle PFs and be a secondary paint defender imo isn't better than having him make a couple more closeouts on mostly corner shooters. BUT let's just keep it pushing and agree to disagree. And1.

I also agree with this

Was killing us vs Denver when he had to matchup with Gordon. But Gordon is also a great athlete with a great motor

Jalen Smith would be nice next to AD, but probably not great vs Jokic as hes too slim and I dont know he would hold up vs bigger teams as the C when AD sits

If Smith can do the latter part at least, then he would make sense

Would expand it and go for Lonzo and Smith for Vando, Vincent, Wood, JHS, and Cam (can also be Hayes) and a 29 protected 1st (may need a 3rd team to take a guy or two. Send 1-2 2nds?)

Reaves, Christie, Rui, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Knecht, DFS, Jalen Smith

Really good playoff rotation right there. Also have Milton and Hayes/Koloko and opened up some roster spots for other guys (Dennis Smith Jr, Bates Diop, and Justin Holiday make sense)
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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#786 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Jan 2, 2025 4:50 pm

zimpy27 wrote:DFS was defending Mitchell very well in the opening game. Makes you realise that he can play SG on defense like Vando did but DFS is the better shooter.

That does change things a bit but Lakers do need a 3rd playmaker outside of LeBron and Reaves that you'd want to get minutes in the playoffs so that 2 can be on the court at all times.

Just a 20% ast% guy, not a point guard but a secondary playmaker is fine. That could be a wing.

PG: Reaves (38) | Christie (10)
SG: Christie (24) | DFS (24)
SF: SF (38) | DFS (10)
PF: LeBron (38) | Davis (10)
C : Davis (30) | C (18)

Rui+Vando+Vincent+Knecht
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Ingram+Theis


I’m good. Not moving Knecht for Ingram. I don’t believe in Ingram honestly. I think he’s a tank commander and that’s it. His style of play screams mid 00s to me.
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Post#787 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 10:42 pm

16 mins: Reaves, Christie, DFS, LeBron, Davis
10 mins: Gabe, Reaves, DFS, Rui, Davis
10 mins: Gabe, Christie, Rui, LeBron, Davis
8 mins: Reaves, Reddish, DFS, LeBron, Wood
4 mins: Reaves, Christie, Rui, LeBron, Davis

Right now there are 20 minutes per game where LeBron and Reaves aren't on the court. Lakers need to have Gabe out there for those 20mpg to be a secondary ball handler.

I think Lakers can be upgraded the most is with a PG/SG. That player would also reduce minutes needed to rely on Christie (who is still young and inexperienced).
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Post#788 » by trickshot » Fri Jan 3, 2025 1:03 am

nzahir wrote:
donnieme wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
It's not about run and gun.

A lot of the plays they use require guys to be on the perimeter or shoot from the perimeter. Even Davis is being pushed to shoot from perimeter more. Redick is not going to want to have a big that can move and setup for plays. I think the ideal big for lakers is Jalen Smith.

The 19-20 lakers were elite in transition, quite the opposite of the current Lakers. Current Lakers rely on half court plays that use spacing.
Current LeBron can't be chasing guards on perimeter either, which would happen if he's playing with Davis and Kessler on court.

Alright. All good. I actually disagree on a lot of this, like asking Lebron to wrestle PFs and be a secondary paint defender imo isn't better than having him make a couple more closeouts on mostly corner shooters. BUT let's just keep it pushing and agree to disagree. And1.

I also agree with this

Was killing us vs Denver when he had to matchup with Gordon. But Gordon is also a great athlete with a great motor

Jalen Smith would be nice next to AD, but probably not great vs Jokic as hes too slim and I dont know he would hold up vs bigger teams as the C when AD sits

If Smith can do the latter part at least, then he would make sense

Would expand it and go for Lonzo and Smith for Vando, Vincent, Wood, JHS, and Cam (can also be Hayes) and a 29 protected 1st (may need a 3rd team to take a guy or two. Send 1-2 2nds?)

Reaves, Christie, Rui, Bron, AD
Lonzo, Knecht, DFS, Jalen Smith

Really good playoff rotation right there. Also have Milton and Hayes/Koloko and opened up some roster spots for other guys (Dennis Smith Jr, Bates Diop, and Justin Holiday make sense)

Way I see it, it wouldn't be much of a question if AD didn't suddenly stop being injury prone. All season the team has been one AD injury away from teams running layup lines on Rui and Lebron for 48 minutes. It's also causing wear and tear and the luck might run out today, tomorrow, whenever. If Wood and Hayes cannot help the team preserve AD starting January they need to start learning Chinese. For now it lies on how well DFS can play spot minutes at the 5.
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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#789 » by PistolPeteJR » Fri Jan 3, 2025 2:52 am

No AD or Gabe tonight.

Let’s see if DFS can show his worth.
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Post#790 » by nzahir » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:36 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:No AD or Gabe tonight.

Let’s see if DFS can show his worth.

Once again Pelinka screwing us

AD is our least replaceable guy, another reason why I want a legit C

We also need to get through the regular season with good health and good seeding

[Klutch_23]: Eric Pincus believes the Jazz would want one extra first round pick and to unprotect the 2027 top 4 protections to potentially get Walker Kessler. (via Hoops Talk with Allen Sliwa on YouTube) #LakeShow

If this is true.....we need to go get him

We do need another ball handler though

Prefer Lonzo or Brogdon (health risk, but a very soid player) if they can be had for a couple of 2nds and Vando and Vincent

Like would Chi take 2 2nds, Vincent, Vando, JHS, and Hayes for Lonzo and Carter?

Rui not great tonight, but not seeing a real replacement 3/4. We have DFS and Bron, but need 3 of them

If Wiggins or Brooks become available, that would be an idea
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Re: The LeBron James & Anthony Davis- 24-25 Thread 

Post#791 » by IG2 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:14 am

LeBron played like he was going to sit out tomorrow's game lol. Just crazy energy expended right from tip-off and Lakers needed every bit of it. He looked great. A 40 year old should never look like that.

Christie has changed this team since entering the starting lineup. The fact that he's even emerging as an offensive threat is a massive bonus.

I don't like Hachimura and never have. He is soft on both ends and simply not a starter in the NBA, but this team's complete lack of size gives Redick no other option.

DFS looks nervous af so far. Understandable I guess.

A really annoying thing about the league being so talented across the board is how hard it is to beat even the 'bad' teams. Especially the last few seasons. No team ever just goes away.
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Post#792 » by PistolPeteJR » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:15 am

IG2 wrote:LeBron played like he was going to sit out tomorrow's game lol. Just crazy energy expended right from tip-off and Lakers needed every bit of it. He looked great. A 40 year old should never look like that.

Christie has changed this team since entering the starting lineup. The fact that he's even emerging as an offensive threat is a massive bonus.

I don't like Hachimura and never have. He is soft on both ends and simply not a starter in the NBA.

DFS looks nervous af so far. Understandable I guess.

A really annoying thing about the league being so talented across the board is how hard it is to beat even the 'bad' teams. Especially the last few seasons. No team ever just goes away.


I’m glad LeBron came out the way he did. He had to anyhow with AD out.

Will take DFS a bit to get comfortable. But he had some real nice possessions on D.
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Post#793 » by dcstanley » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:26 am

AR/Max/DFS/Bron/AD is going to be a productive lineup on both ends. I hope it doesn't take a losing streak before JJ starts and closes with it.

Rui is a 15-20 MPG player on a serious team.
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Post#794 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:32 am

LeBron looks much better lately.

Still think he's top 10 despite the shaky start.
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Post#795 » by nzahir » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:30 am

dcstanley wrote:AR/Max/DFS/Bron/AD is going to be a productive lineup on both ends. I hope it doesn't take a losing streak before JJ starts and closes with it.

Rui is a 15-20 MPG player on a serious team.

Rui was horrible tonight

You need 3 wings in the playoffs

Bron and DFS are 2.....if you were to replace Rui you need some options

Rui feels like an inconsistent shooter from 3

LFR was talking about how when the game speeds up for him, like say vs Den or GS in the playoffs, he cant keep up with decision making and shooting

I would move him for the right deal, but not sure DFS can close either and we have enough offense

Very impressed with Max tonight
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Post#796 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:48 am

Rui is in a bit of a slump but over the season he's been good.
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Post#797 » by Mos_Heat » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:21 am

Knecht made 31% of his season total 3s in a 3 game heater. That's very inconsistent for a guy who's best skill is shooting and is already 23
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Post#798 » by Ian Scuffling » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:53 pm

Nice efficient game by James. Got in the zone with the three ball, too. Offensively, this guy is still a top 10 to 12 player in the league at age 40. Really unprecendented. You're either a hater or just plain stupid to hate on this guy for anything basketball related. And I'm not sure why you'd hate on a basketball player for anything non-basketball related, too.
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Post#799 » by homecourtloss » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:07 pm

Ian Scuffling wrote:Nice efficient game by James. Got in the zone with the three ball, too. Offensively, this guy is still a top 10 to 12 player in the league at age 40. Really unprecendented. You're either a hater or just plain stupid to hate on this guy for anything basketball related. And I'm not sure why you'd hate on a basketball player for anything non-basketball related, too.


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Post#800 » by dcstanley » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:31 pm

nzahir wrote:
dcstanley wrote:AR/Max/DFS/Bron/AD is going to be a productive lineup on both ends. I hope it doesn't take a losing streak before JJ starts and closes with it.

Rui is a 15-20 MPG player on a serious team.

Rui was horrible tonight

You need 3 wings in the playoffs

Bron and DFS are 2.....if you were to replace Rui you need some options

Rui feels like an inconsistent shooter from 3

LFR was talking about how when the game speeds up for him, like say vs Den or GS in the playoffs, he cant keep up with decision making and shooting

I would move him for the right deal, but not sure DFS can close either and we have enough offense

Very impressed with Max tonight

Yeah Rui's value is largely dependent on if he's making shots or not. Very low IQ and awful intangibles. His decision-making can be exploited by smart teams. He's a good scorer though and has been a good shooter on the year but his lows are very low. I would rather have a guy like DFS who has a lower ceiling game to game but doesn't possess many weaknesses.

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