john wall vs derrick rose

[SSSFreak]

Can somebody link me some John Wall NBA stats? I could find any, google couldn't help.

With that said, Wall will be good but not as good as Rose.

[cmd1985]

mattg is correct. Most thought that Beasley and Oden would be the contenders for the ROY, and that Rose would be in the mix as well. I think the general prevailing thought was that Rose definitely had a higher ceiling than Beasley though, but not Oden. Obviously, a lot has changed. Beasley didn't live up to expectations and Oden has had reoccurring injury problems. And I have to laugh at a person that uses only the weaknesses from draft express to somehow prove a point, rather than giving the full assessment.

Strengths:

- Transition play
- Versatility
- Aggressive slashing mentality
- Ball-handling skills
- Ball-handling skills w/either hand
- Change of gears/Hesitation moves
- Defensive potential
- Versatility to defend multiple positions
- Potential
- Unselfishness
- Work ethic
- High-level productivity
- Ability to finish around basket
- Body control
- Freakish athleticism
- Incredibly quick
- Physical specimen
- Size for position


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Der ... z1158czVLk
http://www.draftexpress.com

Yes those are strengths but the main point I was making is the statement about him not being ready to contribute immediately which was like the 3rd bullet point and the point I was making. The argument was stated that Rose was said to be ready to contribute immediately and contend for ROY and that was not the case. I laugh at those who lack reading comprehension.

[Brenice]

Rose will be the better scoring point guard. Wall will be better at running the offense and defending.

[Zeitgeister]

mattg is correct. Most thought that Beasley and Oden would be the contenders for the ROY, and that Rose would be in the mix as well. I think the general prevailing thought was that Rose definitely had a higher ceiling than Beasley though, but not Oden. Obviously, a lot has changed. Beasley didn't live up to expectations and Oden has had reoccurring injury problems. And I have to laugh at a person that uses only the weaknesses from draft express to somehow prove a point, rather than giving the full assessment.

Strengths:

- Transition play
- Versatility
- Aggressive slashing mentality
- Ball-handling skills
- Ball-handling skills w/either hand
- Change of gears/Hesitation moves
- Defensive potential
- Versatility to defend multiple positions
- Potential
- Unselfishness
- Work ethic
- High-level productivity
- Ability to finish around basket
- Body control
- Freakish athleticism
- Incredibly quick
- Physical specimen
- Size for position


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Der ... z1158czVLk
http://www.draftexpress.com

Yes those are strengths but the main point I was making is the statement about him not being ready to contribute immediately which was like the 3rd bullet point and the point I was making. The argument was stated that Rose was said to be ready to contribute immediately and contend for ROY and that was not the case. I laugh at those who lack reading comprehension.

I laugh at those that don't have an accurate grasp on history. Again, the only reason Rose wasn't immediately considered as ROY was because guys like Oden, Beasley, and even Mayo were thought to have a more immediate impact because they were considered to be more polished.

[HumphreyBogart]

Can someone please explain to me why John Wall's high school team went .500? I've asked this countless times and never received an answer.

[Zeitgeister]

Can someone please explain to me why John Wall's high school team went .500? I've asked this countless times and never received an answer.

Sure, if you can just explain to me why Tim Duncan and Shaq never won an NCAA championship.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Can someone please explain to me why John Wall's high school team went .500? I've asked this countless times and never received an answer.

Sure, if you can just explain to me why Tim Duncan and Shaq never won an NCAA championship.

If you have a future #1 pick on your High School basketball team, you should be close to winning state every year. Maybe he was injured? or wasnt he moving around alot or something?

[HumphreyBogart]

Can someone please explain to me why John Wall's high school team went .500? I've asked this countless times and never received an answer.

Sure, if you can just explain to me why Tim Duncan and Shaq never won an NCAA championship.

Lol great argument, bud.

His team was .500, and they were stacked even excluding him (CJ Leslie+others).

[Zeitgeister]

Can someone please explain to me why John Wall's high school team went .500? I've asked this countless times and never received an answer.

Sure, if you can just explain to me why Tim Duncan and Shaq never won an NCAA championship.

Lol great argument, bud.

His team was .500, and they were stacked even excluding him (CJ Leslie+others).

Idk, I haven't heavily researched his friggin high school team.

Something has to be said about a great center in college like Tim Duncan, one of the greatest college players ever and not even winning a national championship...I thought he was a winner?

Are you one of those guys that thinks Kobe will be on MJ's level if he gets another ring?

[cmd1985]

mattg is correct. Most thought that Beasley and Oden would be the contenders for the ROY, and that Rose would be in the mix as well. I think the general prevailing thought was that Rose definitely had a higher ceiling than Beasley though, but not Oden. Obviously, a lot has changed. Beasley didn't live up to expectations and Oden has had reoccurring injury problems. And I have to laugh at a person that uses only the weaknesses from draft express to somehow prove a point, rather than giving the full assessment.

Strengths:

- Transition play
- Versatility
- Aggressive slashing mentality
- Ball-handling skills
- Ball-handling skills w/either hand
- Change of gears/Hesitation moves
- Defensive potential
- Versatility to defend multiple positions
- Potential
- Unselfishness
- Work ethic
- High-level productivity
- Ability to finish around basket
- Body control
- Freakish athleticism
- Incredibly quick
- Physical specimen
- Size for position


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Der ... z1158czVLk
http://www.draftexpress.com

Yes those are strengths but the main point I was making is the statement about him not being ready to contribute immediately which was like the 3rd bullet point and the point I was making. The argument was stated that Rose was said to be ready to contribute immediately and contend for ROY and that was not the case. I laugh at those who lack reading comprehension.

I laugh at those that don't have an accurate grasp on history. Again, the only reason Rose wasn't immediately considered as ROY was because guys like Oden, Beasley, and even Mayo were thought to have a more immediate impact because they were considered to be more polished.

No one really thought Rose would be in the mix for ROY, many said it would take 2-3 years for him to contribute. But if you want to disagree that's fine, I've probably followed Rose's career a bit closer than you.

[Legendary 33]

nvrm

[bullsnewdynasty]

^^Rose actually did start the 1st game.

[Legendary 33]

oo did he? that's my bad. I still think that injury to Hinrich was the best thing that happened to him so far. That's when he really started picking it up with his play.

[Zeitgeister]

Not only that, but the Bulls were looking to move Hinrich from day one after Rose was drafted because they obviously believed he was more than a project.

[Jvaughn]

Not only that, but the Bulls were looking to move Hinrich from day one after Rose was drafted because they obviously believed he was more than a project.

Sorry, but not true.

That was what should've happened, but instead the Bulls tried to convert Hinrich into a SG so that they could find a use for him on the Bulls. Even after the Bulls traded Hinrich this year, JR said that if he knew he wouldn't have had a chance at LBJ he wouldn't have done it. Said it was one of the things he regretted most.

[Zeitgeister]

Not only that, but the Bulls were looking to move Hinrich from day one after Rose was drafted because they obviously believed he was more than a project.

Sorry, but not true.

That was what should've happened, but instead the Bulls tried to convert Hinrich into a SG so that they could find a use for him on the Bulls. Even after the Bulls traded Hinrich this year, JR said that if he knew he wouldn't have had a chance at LBJ he wouldn't have done it. Said it was one of the things he regretted most.

I know they played together at times early on, as did Derrick Rose and Ben Gordon.

11/9/2008
"Hinrich injury could put move on hold."
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_081110.html


10/28/2008
"I believe the Bulls have him, and the goal of this season that begins at the United Center Tuesday against the Milwaukee Bucks will be to construct or create a team that fits around Derrick Rose."
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_081028.html

06/13/2008 - Chicago Tribune
"Kirk Heinrich will almost certainly be traded if/when Rose arrives—but this one seems like a stretch."
http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/06/13 ... ago-bulls/

Obviously these are media outlets, not the front office themselves but it can be difficult to ever know the intentions of a front office if they don't come out and say it.

Anyway, you aren't really disproving my initial point that the Bulls felt that Derrick Rose was THE point guard for the Chicago Bulls from that point forward. Hinrich was moved off the ball because he was seen to have less value as a point guard than Derrick Rose had.

[Jvaughn]

^^^^^^^^Like you said they were media outlets. And all of them proved to be false since the owner himself came out and said he didn't want to trade Hinrich. He wasn't going to be traded even though he played the same position as Rose. He was initially insurance against Rose not being able to immediately contribute. Bulls FO came out after the drafting of Rose and said, though the expected big things from Rose, they knew he wouldn't be that player anytime soon. Obviously they were wrong.

Even after this, they said that Hinrich would be useful because he could take over the ball handling and PG duties, because they didn't have complete faith in Rose's ability to run the team as effectively as Hinrich. Obviously the Bulls wanted Rose to be the man. Unless your the Griz you don't usually draft in the top 3 for role players. You expect big things from that type of pick. Hinrich was moved off the ball (even though he didn't realize it) because the Bulls were not going to trade him, and they needed to find a reason to justify keeping him.

[JordansBulls]

John Wall may be the next Jay Williams.

[Zeitgeister]

John Wall may be the next Jay Williams.

He's going to have his career abruptly shortened by a careless motorcycle accident? I don't know how you could predict that.

[Brenice]

I think we should start re-visiting this.

Though right now, Rose is better, Wall has more potential. With a few NBA games in his pocket, it is obvious that Wall has a bigger impact defensively, runs the offense better and is a better passer. Wall also is as fast as Rose, has is as good at finishing with the left at the rim. Rose may be more explosive vertically, but Wall will be better than him. Quickly!!!