All-Time Fantasy League (2014) - Playoffs: THUNDERDAN9 WINS

[Quotatious]

What are you talking about? Pau's On Court was 115.1, lower than Kobe's.

Kobe was +12 On-Off, Pau was +4.5.

Do you actually think Gasol was more important than Kobe ?

Exactly.

Besides, Kobe was the only shot creator on the Lakers. Without him, this team wouldn't have been better than Pau's Grizzlies.

People tried to argue that Mutombo was more important for the Sixers than Iverson - here's the same occurence - Iverson (Kobe) was the only player on his team capable of consistently getting himself open and scoring or passing his teammates good looks. Mutombo (Gasol) may be very important in many areas, but it was Iverson (Kobe) who were the clear cut MVP, and literally NO ONE at the time questioned that. I'm totally sure that even if you asked Pau about it, he'd admit that it was Kobe's team.

[whitehops]

Kobe had an On-Court ORtg of 116.1 in 2009, how is that not a spectacular first option?

Dude a team with Kobe had the 7th best ORtg in the league in 2006 despite the fact that the 3rd, 4th and 5th options were Smush Parker, Luke Walton and Kwame Brown.

That statement you made just ignores the very real facts that we know to be true

the lakers as a team had an ORtg of 112.8, putting kobe +3.3 above that. gasol, on the other hand, led the team (and the league) that year with an ORtg of 125.6, which is +12.8 above. please, please try to argue that kobe was the backbone of that offense. he may have shot the ball the most but was not the main reason the lakers had a great offense that year.

What are you talking about? Pau's On Court was 115.1, lower than Kobe's.

Kobe was +12 On-Off, Pau was +4.5.

Do you actually think Gasol was more important than Kobe ?

where can I find those numbers?

[ardee]

the lakers as a team had an ORtg of 112.8, putting kobe +3.3 above that. gasol, on the other hand, led the team (and the league) that year with an ORtg of 125.6, which is +12.8 above. please, please try to argue that kobe was the backbone of that offense. he may have shot the ball the most but was not the main reason the lakers had a great offense that year.

What are you talking about? Pau's On Court was 115.1, lower than Kobe's.

Kobe was +12 On-Off, Pau was +4.5.

Do you actually think Gasol was more important than Kobe ?

where can I find those numbers?

Bball Ref On-Off.

[whitehops]

What are you talking about? Pau's On Court was 115.1, lower than Kobe's.

Kobe was +12 On-Off, Pau was +4.5.

Do you actually think Gasol was more important than Kobe ?

where can I find those numbers?

Bball Ref On-Off.

thanks. those stats say that odom had the biggest impact though.

[MisterHibachi]

Both first seeds eliminated! This is like March Madness! Lol

[john248]

Both first seeds eliminated! This is like March Madness! Lol

I wouldn't really call it a true 1st seed. This was why I really wanted to see who drafted 1st go against #16 to see just how much parity was in this league.

[CaliBullsFan]

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hey hibachi, I was looking at CaliBullsFan's roster and noticed he selected 95-97 for Schrempf's years. in 97 he only played 61 games.

Mind your business

change it to 94-96

[Quotatious]

Both first seeds eliminated! This is like March Madness! Lol

So, which team leaders choked? Such a shame that neither of these teams had 2007 Dirk...Well, DHodgkins' team was full of pretty good candidates for that.

By the way - did we abandon the idea of judges saying how much games would each matchup take? Because I've seen some of them did it, and other did not? I think it'd be especially important to have in matchups like Hibachi vs Narigo, where it's really too damn close to tell who's going to come out on top.

[Sagittaron]

I would like to apologise because I haven't posted my strategy in my match up. A family member had an accident and I spent a lot of time at the hospital and I just couldn't post something and to be honest didn't have the courage to sit down and think about what should I post as strategy.

What happened to the match up between me and ardee? There are no posts in the thread which is now locked

[Quotatious]

What happened to the match up between me and ardee? There are no posts in the thread which is now locked

It's going to be re-opened when the #2 and #7 seed matchups end, so it's a matter of a couple days, as those have just started yesterday. We decided to go with only two matchups at a time, because it's easier for the judges to stay focused on it, if there are only two.

[john248]

I would like to apologise because I haven't posted my strategy in my match up. A family member had an accident and I spent a lot of time at the hospital and I just couldn't post something and to be honest didn't have the courage to sit down and think about what should I post as strategy.

What happened to the match up between me and ardee? There are no posts in the thread which is now locked

Hope your family member get well.

[MisterWestside]

I've lurked in the matchups threads, and this is a cool project Mister Hibachi.

Only one issue: too many posters here assume that a player's usage carries over from team to team. That varies with the talent on the roster, and it must be accounted for.

[Quotatious]

Only one issue: too many posters here assume that a player's usage carries over from team to team. That varies with the talent on the roster, and must be accounted for.

You're obviously right, but some guys were high usage players pretty much their entire career, so there are some justifiable concerns if they would or would not be able to coexist on the same team effectively. That's a really significant part of team chemistry, which is IMO a very big part of team's success.

Hope your family member get well.

So do I.

[MisterHibachi]

I've lurked in the matchups threads, and this is a cool project Mister Hibachi.

Only one issue: too many posters here assume that a player's usage carries over from team to team. That varies with the talent on the roster, and it must be accounted for.

I don't think many players in these teams are gonna maintain their real life usage levels. There's just too much talent on each team to have one guy take up 30-40% of a team's possessions.

[Laimbeer]

I've lurked in the matchups threads, and this is a cool project Mister Hibachi.

Only one issue: too many posters here assume that a player's usage carries over from team to team. That varies with the talent on the roster, and it must be accounted for.

Props to Hibachi. This thing had to take some time. Thanks it is fun to lurk and snipe away with criticisms.

[MisterWestside]

Only one issue: too many posters here assume that a player's usage carries over from team to team. That varies with the talent on the roster, and must be accounted for.

You're obviously right, but some guys were high usage players pretty much their entire career, so there are some justifiable concerns if they would or would not be able to coexist on the same team effectivelly. That's a really significant part of team chemistry, which is IMO a very big part of team's success.

Hope your family member get well.

So do I.

Certainly true. But it's a tricky thing to do. The way I handle that is to assume the "optimal" usage for the player, based on the team that he is on (BBR explained the methodology on this in an old blog post) and his skillset. That way I can come up with something within reason. For example, Iverson was certainly a gunner, but it would be outlandish to think that he would still be a mid-30s usage player on a team with say, Shaq and Bird. So based on their efficiencies and skillsets, I can shuffle their respective usages to reflect the talent and roster fit.

Also, I cosign your sentiments for john248.

[RSCD3_]

"LeBron chokes even in fantasy matchups"

lol seriously I tried picking bpa but my plan was screeed up when dwight got snatched up I thought he would have lasted longer. If I went with my fit I would have selected reggie ( webbers prime was unavailable by two games ) but I kept thinking like

Am I really gonna pick reggie miller over mchale and I guess the myth he was james harden on defense scared me off. I also should have taken mike conley jr. over iverson, a great pg who can defend and shoot 3's.

Honestly though that defense I went against, I needed a stretch 4 and stretch 3 like a rasheed and even a prime R(ashard) lewis later on.

Btw I also really like the shaq/pierce team

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[Notanoob]

Do you mean the Hakeem/Pierce team maybe?

[Quotatious]

Hibachi - how about adding ElGee as the ninth judge? It'd prevent a possible tie occuring in any matchup, and we wouldn't have to eliminate any of the judges in a hypothetical second voting process if there was a tie in the initial ballot. I don't know whether ElGee is interested or not, but considering the fact that he freely offered his insight in the batmana vs O_5 matchup, there seems to be a possibility that he'd indeed be willing to participate in a more official manner.

[MisterHibachi]

Hibachi - how about adding ElGee as the ninth judge? It'd prevent a possible tie occuring in any matchup, and we wouldn't have to eliminate any of the judges in a hypothetical second voting process if there was a tie in the initial ballot. I don't know whether ElGee is interested or not, but considering the fact that he freely offered his insight in the batmana vs O_5 matchup, there seems to be a possibility that he'd indeed be willing to participate in a more official manner.

If he's interested, then it'd would be great!