1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart

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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#81 » by mysticOscar » Fri Mar 3, 2017 9:05 pm

Colbinii wrote:
juice4080 wrote:i'll save you some work

Michael Jordan FG% 52% 166/319 TS% 62%
Lebron James FG% 42.12% 115/273 TS% 54.1%

No matter how you slice it it's not close pal but i can't wait to see which creative spin doctoring job you will come up with


Here are the results I collected from 08-17 (what I consider LeBron's PRIME) Regular Season PER 48:

49.3 Points, 15/32 shooting, 47 FG%, 3.4/10 3P shooting, 34% 3P%, 16/20.4 FT shooting, 79% FT%, 12.9 Rebounds, 8.7 Assists, 4.1 Turnovers, +24.3

Here are the results for Jordan for the post-season:

Plus/Minus total: +198
Plus/Minus Per 48: +23.3

97 Games, 63 Wins, 64.9 Win%

Here are LeBron's:

Plus/Minus total: +171
Plus/Minus per 48: +19.1

105 games, 67 wins, 63.8 Win%

Awfully close stuff :lol:

Jordan's Statistics: Image

LeBron's Statistics

Minutes: 430
Points: 391
FGM: 115
FGA: 273
3PM: 30
3PA: 80
FTM: 129
FTA: 167
Reb: 93
AST: 70
TOV: 44

The biggest takeaway I can see is that Jordan is clearly a better scorer, but that isn't a surprise to anyone. LeBron's argument for being a top 3 player of all-time isn't because of his scoring, but his all-around game. His Net +/-, along with his W/L record is VERY similar to Jordan's. We will see how it pans out as LeBron is currently looking like he will add another prime or two season to his resume. It would be nice to calculate the defenses faced during these seasons, but it is too late right now for me to do such a task.


i just saw this post...and i don't want to nit pick...but if Jordan's was based on from his '85 to '98.....why only use '08 to '17 for Lebron?

Lebron's numbers (5min in last <= 5 pts) should not decrease too much, but when doing statistical comparison, it really gets me when people don't do the correct thing.

Lebron is one of the best players ever i've seen in taking over in last few mins...and as you have shown his numbers are one of the best also.
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#82 » by juice4080 » Fri Mar 3, 2017 9:11 pm

mysticOscar wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
juice4080 wrote:i'll save you some work

Michael Jordan FG% 52% 166/319 TS% 62%
Lebron James FG% 42.12% 115/273 TS% 54.1%

No matter how you slice it it's not close pal but i can't wait to see which creative spin doctoring job you will come up with


Here are the results I collected from 08-17 (what I consider LeBron's PRIME) Regular Season PER 48:

49.3 Points, 15/32 shooting, 47 FG%, 3.4/10 3P shooting, 34% 3P%, 16/20.4 FT shooting, 79% FT%, 12.9 Rebounds, 8.7 Assists, 4.1 Turnovers, +24.3

Here are the results for Jordan for the post-season:

Plus/Minus total: +198
Plus/Minus Per 48: +23.3

97 Games, 63 Wins, 64.9 Win%

Here are LeBron's:

Plus/Minus total: +171
Plus/Minus per 48: +19.1

105 games, 67 wins, 63.8 Win%

Awfully close stuff :lol:

Jordan's Statistics: Image

LeBron's Statistics

Minutes: 430
Points: 391
FGM: 115
FGA: 273
3PM: 30
3PA: 80
FTM: 129
FTA: 167
Reb: 93
AST: 70
TOV: 44

The biggest takeaway I can see is that Jordan is clearly a better scorer, but that isn't a surprise to anyone. LeBron's argument for being a top 3 player of all-time isn't because of his scoring, but his all-around game. His Net +/-, along with his W/L record is VERY similar to Jordan's. We will see how it pans out as LeBron is currently looking like he will add another prime or two season to his resume. It would be nice to calculate the defenses faced during these seasons, but it is too late right now for me to do such a task.


i just saw this post...and i don't want to nit pick...but if Jordan's was based on from his '85 to '98.....why only use '08 to '17 for Lebron?

Lebron's numbers (5min in last <= 5 pts) should not decrease too much, but when doing statistical comparison, it really gets me when people don't do the correct thing.

Lebron is one of the best players ever i've seen in taking over in last few mins...and as you have shown his numbers are one of the best also.


those are his career numbers even if he said he handpicked his prime only...i arrived to the same numbers by adding up every postseason he ever made
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Re: RE: Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#83 » by Colbinii » Fri Mar 3, 2017 9:40 pm

mysticOscar wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
juice4080 wrote:i'll save you some work

Michael Jordan FG% 52% 166/319 TS% 62%
Lebron James FG% 42.12% 115/273 TS% 54.1%

No matter how you slice it it's not close pal but i can't wait to see which creative spin doctoring job you will come up with


Here are the results I collected from 08-17 (what I consider LeBron's PRIME) Regular Season PER 48:

49.3 Points, 15/32 shooting, 47 FG%, 3.4/10 3P shooting, 34% 3P%, 16/20.4 FT shooting, 79% FT%, 12.9 Rebounds, 8.7 Assists, 4.1 Turnovers, +24.3

Here are the results for Jordan for the post-season:

Plus/Minus total: +198
Plus/Minus Per 48: +23.3

97 Games, 63 Wins, 64.9 Win%

Here are LeBron's:

Plus/Minus total: +171
Plus/Minus per 48: +19.1

105 games, 67 wins, 63.8 Win%

Awfully close stuff :lol:

Jordan's Statistics: Image

LeBron's Statistics

Minutes: 430
Points: 391
FGM: 115
FGA: 273
3PM: 30
3PA: 80
FTM: 129
FTA: 167
Reb: 93
AST: 70
TOV: 44

The biggest takeaway I can see is that Jordan is clearly a better scorer, but that isn't a surprise to anyone. LeBron's argument for being a top 3 player of all-time isn't because of his scoring, but his all-around game. His Net +/-, along with his W/L record is VERY similar to Jordan's. We will see how it pans out as LeBron is currently looking like he will add another prime or two season to his resume. It would be nice to calculate the defenses faced during these seasons, but it is too late right now for me to do such a task.


i just saw this post...and i don't want to nit pick...but if Jordan's was based on from his '85 to '98.....why only use '08 to '17 for Lebron?

Lebron's numbers (5min in last <= 5 pts) should not decrease too much, but when doing statistical comparison, it really gets me when people don't do the correct thing.

Lebron is one of the best players ever i've seen in taking over in last few mins...and as you have shown his numbers are one of the best also.


regular season is prime, post season is entire career since dipper also compiled Jordans career postseason numbers.

I did fail to compile LeBrons steals and blocks. I know off hand his blocks are more but I am not so sure about steals.
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#84 » by Drylick » Sat Mar 4, 2017 5:26 am

Mazter wrote:
Drylick wrote:LeBron's greatest attribute is his all-around game. It doesn't win you the game in the clutch though. It contributes definitely, but no stat(s) could really win you the game more than scoring.

Well, in the end, the team needs to win or outscore the opponent. In example, what good would it be for a player to go 4-for-6 on one end, but on the other end the opponent scores 8-from-10 due to his lack of energy at the defensive end. Would he be more clutch than another player shooting 1-for-4 with 2 assists, 3 rebounds, forcing a couple of turnovers and locking down the opponent's clutch player forcing the opposing team to shoot just 2-from-7?


That applies to most players though, not Jordan. Remember that Jordan played defense, rebounded, assisted, etc. in the clutch, while shooting efficiently despite enormous volume. When it comes to clutch, MJ is an abberation.
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#85 » by Colbinii » Wed Mar 8, 2017 8:57 pm

Colbinii wrote:
juice4080 wrote:i'll save you some work

Michael Jordan FG% 52% 166/319 TS% 62%
Lebron James FG% 42.12% 115/273 TS% 54.1%

No matter how you slice it it's not close pal but i can't wait to see which creative spin doctoring job you will come up with


Here are the results I collected from 08-17 (what I consider LeBron's PRIME) Regular Season PER 48:

49.3 Points, 15/32 shooting, 47 FG%, 3.4/10 3P shooting, 34% 3P%, 16/20.4 FT shooting, 79% FT%, 12.9 Rebounds, 8.7 Assists, 4.1 Turnovers, +24.3

Here are the results for Jordan for the post-season:

Plus/Minus total: +198
Plus/Minus Per 48: +23.3

97 Games, 63 Wins, 64.9 Win%

Here are LeBron's:

Plus/Minus total: +171
Plus/Minus per 48: +19.1

105 games, 67 wins, 63.8 Win%

Awfully close stuff :lol:

Jordan's Statistics: Image

LeBron's Statistics

Minutes: 430
Points: 391
FGM: 115
FGA: 273
3PM: 30
3PA: 80
FTM: 129
FTA: 167
Reb: 93
AST: 70
TOV: 44

The biggest takeaway I can see is that Jordan is clearly a better scorer, but that isn't a surprise to anyone. LeBron's argument for being a top 3 player of all-time isn't because of his scoring, but his all-around game. His Net +/-, along with his W/L record is VERY similar to Jordan's. We will see how it pans out as LeBron is currently looking like he will add another prime or two season to his resume. It would be nice to calculate the defenses faced during these seasons, but it is too late right now for me to do such a task.


Bumping with Kobe's career numbers.

Kobe's Statistics

Games: 111
Wins: 68
Minutes: 420 :lol:
Points: 378
FGM: 107
FGA: 270
3PM: 15
3PA: 60
FTM: 149
FTA: 179
REB: 51
AST: 41
TOV: 25
STL: 11
BLK: 5
Plus/Minus: 145

Here are the results for Jordan for the post-season:

Plus/Minus total: +198
Plus/Minus Per 48: +23.3

97 Games, 63 Wins, 64.9 Win%

Here are LeBron's:

Plus/Minus total: +171
Plus/Minus per 48: +19.1

105 games, 67 wins, 63.8 Win%

Kobe:

Plus/Minus total: +145
Plus/Minus per 48: +16.6

111 games, 68 wins, 61.3 Win%

I will look ahead to Dirk, Pierce, KG, and Duncan next. Any other players?

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