Tatum is the best rookie I have ever seen

[bleeds_purple]

Not to mention he's basically going to be their 3rd string SF/SG... And probably won't get to do much ball handling.

Eh. Hayward will eventually fill the Iggy role for the Celts once he hits his 30s. Its inevitable unless players move.

Brown hayward and Tatum will all start..

That's also possible but as we've seen Stevens likes to start big. Bear in mind I'm not saying Hayward is coming off the bench next year. But I could see, say 4 years down the line that he moves to being a sixth man.

Tatum and Brown are studs. And they are going to be with Celtics for a long time unless they are traded.

[KobesScarf]

So in other words you just started watching the NBA

[Larry Legend 33]

Eh. Hayward will eventually fill the Iggy role for the Celts once he hits his 30s. Its inevitable unless players move.

Brown hayward and Tatum will all start..

That's also possible but as we've seen Stevens likes to start big. Bear in mind I'm not saying Hayward is coming off the bench next year. But I could see, say 4 years down the line that he moves to being a sixth man.

Tatum and Brown are studs. And they are going to be with Celtics for a long time unless they are traded.

He has been known to start big, but it also depends on the matchup. If there's a big bruising C like Embiid/Drummond, he'll start someone like Baynes and play Horford at the 4. But if you look at the starting lineup game 1 against the Cavs - it was Kyrie/Brown/Tatum/Hayward/Horford.

[Cavsfansince84]

Remember back in the day I made the thread titled "James Harden is a superstar". It was in 2012 when he was still coming off the bench. People laughed at my face. You can look that up. Nowadays nobody is contesting that statement anymore.

Jayson Tatum is going to be a superstar.

Do you think being on the Celtics will help or hinder his development?

Gordon Hayward and Jaylen Brown both play the same position.

I actually think its a near ideal situation for him. Being on a team with guys who generally like to pass and without the pressure of trying to be #1 guy early on is perfect for a guy like him. Plus he's getting playoff experience already. He'll get to work his way up the chain on that team until he prob takes over as the #1 guy in 4-5 years if he continues improving while learning how to win first. Obviously he needs to put in the work and keep improving as well but I think its a great situation for him to be in. Much like the one Kawhi found himself in as a Spur.

[Johnny Firpo]

Remember back in the day I made the thread titled "James Harden is a superstar". It was in 2012 when he was still coming off the bench. People laughed at my face. You can look that up. Nowadays nobody is contesting that statement anymore.

Jayson Tatum is going to be a superstar.

Do you think being on the Celtics will help or hinder his development?

Gordon Hayward and Jaylen Brown both play the same position.

I actually think its a near ideal situation for him. Being on a team with guys who generally like to pass and without the pressure of trying to be #1 guy early on is perfect for a guy like him. Plus he's getting playoff experience already. He'll get to work his way up the chain on that team until he prob takes over as the #1 guy in 4-5 years if he continues improving while learning how to win first. Obviously he needs to put in the work and keep improving as well but I think its a great situation for him to be in. Much like the one Kawhi found himself in as a Spur.

There wasn't a logjam for Kawhi, it will one for Tatum. There is no way his usage rate will be as high as it would be on some other teams, but then again, if he is an ATG player in the making, he should find a way, right?

[AdagioPace]

I'm sorry but I refuse to even entertain the notion that Tatum was better this year than Tim Duncan was as a rookie. Love the kid and don't blame people for being excited about him, but this is just way too much. Timmy was an MVP candidate that year.

How old was Duncan when he entered the legue? Did he play more than one year in college. Have no idea that's why I'm asking.

this is moving the goalpost.

A discussion about "who's the best rookie" is not a discussion about "who's the best 19 years old". We need a reference point otherwise we could even make a case for best 19 years old kid ever by picking among those who played in college when they were 19 (like Duncan at 19), but it's impossible to know

[FlatearthZorro]

I'm sorry but I refuse to even entertain the notion that Tatum was better this year than Tim Duncan was as a rookie. Love the kid and don't blame people for being excited about him, but this is just way too much. Timmy was an MVP candidate that year.

How old was Duncan when he entered the legue? Did he play more than one year in college. Have no idea that's why I'm asking.

this is moving the goalpost.

A discussion about "who's the best rookie" is not a discussion about "who's the best 19 years old". We need a reference point otherwise we could even make a case for best 19 years old kid ever by picking among those who played in college when they were 19 (like Duncan at 19), but it's impossible to know

I checked he was 21. Well I guess I get it, I mean back in the day 2-3 years was a standard.

[Johnny Firpo]

Shaq was also much better, obviously. 23/14/2 with 3.5 blocks per game, on 58.4%TS. A certified monster from day one.

[Cavsfansince84]

There wasn't a logjam for Kawhi, it will one for Tatum. There is no way his usage rate will be as high as it would be on some other teams, but then again, if he is an ATG player in the making, he should find a way, right?

He doesn't need a high usage rate to improve imo. I mean Kawhi didn't even average double digit fga until his fourth season. So long as Tatum is being efficient the team will get him his touches.

[bastillon]

24/7 in game 5 & game 7 of conference finals. When was the last time rookie did that? The guy is a complete player already. So underrated in the mainstream media.

[GSP]

24/7 in game 5 & game 7 of conference finals. When was the last time rookie did that? The guy is a complete player already. So underrated in the mainstream media.

What are ur thoughts on Jaylen?

[bastillon]

24/7 in game 5 & game 7 of conference finals. When was the last time rookie did that? The guy is a complete player already. So underrated in the mainstream media.

What are ur thoughts on Jaylen?

I think Jaylen Brown has the potential to be a transcendentally great defender. Prime Andre Igoudala lvl of defense. Offensively his game is kinda limited but he doesn't have to be a great offensive player. He should rather focus on improving his ballhandling and passing and instead of trying to be a great scorer, he should rather watch the tape of Tony Allen, Andre Igoudala, Gary Payton, Scottie Pippen. This is the way he should be making impact. But I doubt it's gonna go that way. He'll just try to learn more offensive moves, which to me is wrong approach in terms of his development.

If you want to see what I'm talking about watch Celtics Warriors game 1 from this year's RS. This is the player Jaylen Brown should become.

[GYK]

I don't see the off the dribble ability in Tatum some sees. He's already a GREAT catch and shoot ability. He's a dangerous player on the close out. But the playstyle some see I dont. I see Danny Granger with a better shot. BTW being a better Danny Granger is GREAT. 25/5/.40 from three by 25 is a limited club(Durant2x/Granger/Vince2x/Pierce). He should hope to be a better version of Granger.
Jaylen is probably more Iggy.
Considering those two. The picks they still have. Kyrie and Gordon coming back. They have a chance to end Lebrons Conference streak at 9, especially if there's not MAJOR improvement to that roster.

[Ascrilas]

Don't see the Jaylen-Iguodala comparison. Brown is a way better shooter whereas Iggy is miles ahead when it comes to BBIQ and passing. To me, he's more something like Paul George (which may be his absolute best-case ceiling, but then, who knows), all tools to become of the best perimeter defenders in the league (I mean, he's pretty close to that already), but offensively, while gifted with amazing athleticism and being able to really heat it up from downtown, they're somewhat inconsistent and also limited as a playmaker. Obviously George is a tad more athletic and taller and way ahead when it comes to FTr and FT%, but I could see Jaylen projecting to become somewhat of a slightly poorer version of PG. Something like 20/5/2 with 40%+ from three and elite defense.

With Jayson, I can see where the rich man's Granger comparison comes from, but while certainly not incorrectly, the wording still somewhat undersells his ceiling, I feel.
I absolutely think that Tatum has HoF potential (whether he reaches his ceiling obviously still has to be seen). A bit of a cheap comparison, but he could become something like a rich man's Pierce (I'm not that high on The Truth btw), a leaner, more athletic version with a hopefully slightly better three point-shot (consistent 38-39% and I'd be ecstatic). Better on defense, too, and I think Tatum has solid vision and playmaking instincts which he can further develop in the next years. Could see him averaging 25/6/4 on 60 TS% with good defense in his prime.

[GYK]

Pierce is a hard compassion considering he was asked to create for himself and for others from the start. Tatum isn't a triple threat scorer nor a guard. He's clearly been more of a forward. Nevertheless Boston will be fine. They are young and deep. Maybe time to come off the picks, considering Sacramento might be the only guaranteed high pick. The others with their restrictions might not yield much or anything.

[Johnny Firpo]

Before the playoffs I haven't seen the star in Tatum, now I see a superstar. He should find a way to become the best Celtics player sooner than later, even if Irving and Hayward will be higher on the totem pole next year. He has MVP tools in terms of fluidity, handles, and jumpshot, and he is showing signs of becoming a playmaker. What a talent!

[HeartBreakKid]

I've always got a Clyde Drlexerish vibe for Jaylen Brown - he is not that similar to Iggy. Iggy is a higher defensive IQ player and more of a natural playmaker - Jaylen is way more aggressive and loves to attack in transition.

Jaylen has that well roundedness that Drexler has but the emphasis on attacking the paint. Jaylen probably doesn't become the playmaker Drexler is, but he has more shooting touch.

[pelifan]

Clyde Drexler and Paul George are WAY too optimistic comparisons for Jaylen Brown, he's ntgoing to be able to put the ball on the floor loke that. he reminds me more of Jason Richardson although I think with his size and D potential he could be a bit better than that, maybe Eddie Jones.

[Prokorov]

Remember back in the day I made the thread titled "James Harden is a superstar". It was in 2012 when he was still coming off the bench. People laughed at my face. You can look that up. Nowadays nobody is contesting that statement anymore.

Jayson Tatum is going to be a superstar. He is already the most NBA ready rookie I have seen in a long time. He's 6'8, sneaky athletic, has 3 pt range, incredible shot making ability in isolation, he can drive, he can pull up from midrange, he has back to the basket game, he's an excellent defensive rebounder, is gonna be solid defender (rookies are never quite good), he is a willing passer and he knows his role on the team. That guy doesn't have a glaring weakness in his game and he is a rookie.

I'm so hyped right now, the Celtics are back!

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is this your first year watching basketball. if not you must be half blind or something. tatum looks great but best rookie season ever is beyond hyperbolic knee jerk into absurd territory.

also, calling harden a future star in 2012 when he had one of the best seasons weve seen from a 6th man followed by an even better playoffs after being a top pick doesnt quite make you some kind of devine eye for talent. i mean its not like you called isiah thomas or jimmy butler or manu ginobili or some late second rounder early on

[bastillon]

Remember back in the day I made the thread titled "James Harden is a superstar". It was in 2012 when he was still coming off the bench. People laughed at my face. You can look that up. Nowadays nobody is contesting that statement anymore.

Jayson Tatum is going to be a superstar. He is already the most NBA ready rookie I have seen in a long time. He's 6'8, sneaky athletic, has 3 pt range, incredible shot making ability in isolation, he can drive, he can pull up from midrange, he has back to the basket game, he's an excellent defensive rebounder, is gonna be solid defender (rookies are never quite good), he is a willing passer and he knows his role on the team. That guy doesn't have a glaring weakness in his game and he is a rookie.

I'm so hyped right now, the Celtics are back!

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is this your first year watching basketball. if not you must be half blind or something. tatum looks great but best rookie season ever is beyond hyperbolic knee jerk into absurd territory.

also, calling harden a future star in 2012 when he had one of the best seasons weve seen from a 6th man followed by an even better playoffs after being a top pick doesnt quite make you some kind of devine eye for talent. i mean its not like you called isiah thomas or jimmy butler or manu ginobili or some late second rounder early on

So let me get this straight, it was easy for me to predict 6 years ago that Harden was going to end up as a superstar and yet it's my first year of watching basketball? That makes sense. Obviously I'm time traveling so my first year extended from 2012 to 2018

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I started that thread in January, before Harden was ever called a great starter, let alone had a great season. You can see tsherkins posts at the time which were pretty good indicator of how the public felt.

To be clear I said the best rookie I've ever seen, not the best ever (that would be Kareem by far). He's probably the best freshman though.