Nikola Jokic 24-25 All-NBA (1st) Thread - 24 NBA MVP

[LesGrossman]

Jokic is just ridiculous. He might be better offensively than peak lebron. Unbelievable season so far

He might be? How is that even a question? He is better at every single aspect of offense other than highlight dunks. Peak LeBron was not a great shooter, Jokic has every shot imaginable from Skyhook to floater to 3pt shot and free throw. He is a better passer and better at offensive rebounding. Obviously he is also setting better screens. LeBrons case over him - if he has one - is longevity and in his first years better defensive contribution, but certainly not offense.

I guess driving, P&R game, transition, ball-handling etc. are all called "highlight dunks" now.

Which of these does LBJ better than Jokic?

It’s crazy we are even dabating this. Jokic is so much more versatile as a player, and so much less dependent on athleticism. If he wants to keep this going, he will break each and every single record LBJ has set offensively. He has already crushed him in career triple doubles while being under 30.

[Homer38]

Jokic is just ridiculous. He might be better offensively than peak lebron. Unbelievable season so far

He might be? How is that even a question? He is better at every single aspect of offense other than highlight dunks. Peak LeBron was not a great shooter, Jokic has every shot imaginable from Skyhook to floater to 3pt shot and free throw. He is a better passer and better at offensive rebounding. Obviously he is also setting better screens. LeBrons case over him - if he has one - is longevity and in his first years better defensive contribution, but certainly not offense.

I guess driving, P&R game, transition, ball-handling etc. are all called "highlight dunks" now.

It don't mean much what he said....I mean he had KD over LBJ on his all-time list several years ago

[Bergmaniac]

He might be? How is that even a question? He is better at every single aspect of offense other than highlight dunks. Peak LeBron was not a great shooter, Jokic has every shot imaginable from Skyhook to floater to 3pt shot and free throw. He is a better passer and better at offensive rebounding. Obviously he is also setting better screens. LeBrons case over him - if he has one - is longevity and in his first years better defensive contribution, but certainly not offense.

I guess driving, P&R game, transition, ball-handling etc. are all called "highlight dunks" now.

Which of these does LBJ better than Jokic?

It’s crazy we are even dabating this. Jokic is so much more versatile as a player, and so much less dependent on athleticism. If he wants to keep this going, he will break each and every single record LBJ has set offensively. He has already crushed him in career triple doubles while being under 30.

This is extremely unlikely, to put it mildy. Let's take career playoff points for exampe. To overtake LeBroin in that, Jokic will need to score at least 5870 playoff points from now on and he will be 30 next month. And that's assuming LeBron never plays in the playoffs again. For comparison, Jordan is second all-time in career playoff points with 5987. So to overtake LeBron, Jokic from now on has to score basically as many playoff points as Jordan did in his whole career. The regular season points record looks almost as unikley too.

[70sFan]

He might be? How is that even a question? He is better at every single aspect of offense other than highlight dunks. Peak LeBron was not a great shooter, Jokic has every shot imaginable from Skyhook to floater to 3pt shot and free throw. He is a better passer and better at offensive rebounding. Obviously he is also setting better screens. LeBrons case over him - if he has one - is longevity and in his first years better defensive contribution, but certainly not offense.

I guess driving, P&R game, transition, ball-handling etc. are all called "highlight dunks" now.

Which of these does LBJ better than Jokic?.

All of them?

[LesGrossman]

I guess driving, P&R game, transition, ball-handling etc. are all called "highlight dunks" now.

Which of these does LBJ better than Jokic?.

All of them?

Ok then.

[70sFan]

Which of these does LBJ better than Jokic?.

All of them?

Ok then.

You can ask anyone with working eyes if LeBron is a better slasher than Jokic. I'm quite sure that 99% would laugh at your disagreement.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

All of them?

Ok then.

You can ask anyone with working eyes if LeBron is a better slasher than Jokic. I'm quite sure that 99% would laugh at your disagreement.

I would take Jokic as the better pick and roll player

[Jurassic_Park]

Jokic is just ridiculous, what a season so far. Will have to see how he does in the playoffs. If he takes this team to the finals and continues to play like this, it may end up being a top 3 season of all time.

SGA will win mvp though b/c i bet on him a few months ago. Record gap will be too big, plus SGA playing well himself

[70sFan]

Ok then.

You can ask anyone with working eyes if LeBron is a better slasher than Jokic. I'm quite sure that 99% would laugh at your disagreement.

I would take Jokic as the better pick and roll player

Not as a ball-handler, though him as a screener can make up the ground I guess.

[LesGrossman]

You can ask anyone with working eyes if LeBron is a better slasher than Jokic. I'm quite sure that 99% would laugh at your disagreement.

I would take Jokic as the better pick and roll player

Not as a ball-handler, though him as a screener can make up the ground I guess.

Either you are trolling or you honestly believe all this, then you havent seen Jokic play a lot. Either way, agree to disagree. Just because LeBron is more athletic and faster doesnt mean his skill is anywhere near Jokics. LeBron - talking about peak / young LeBron here - has one move and one move only, lower the shoulder and run over defenders and finish at the rim, usually traveling and committing uncalled charges. That is what i saw over 22 years and no anonymous poster on this forum will convince me otherwise. Jokic on the other hand has super solid fundamentals, footwork, lowpost game, a magnitude of finishes around the rim that are almost unfair and on top of all that he is the far better offensive rebounder, play maker, shooter - especially from outside - and screener. But as i said, to each their own. Feel free to see LeBron as the better offensive player. This isnt GB.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

You can ask anyone with working eyes if LeBron is a better slasher than Jokic. I'm quite sure that 99% would laugh at your disagreement.

I would take Jokic as the better pick and roll player

Not as a ball-handler, though him as a screener can make up the ground I guess.

As a combination of both, I think Jokic is creating a more dangerous two man game then prime LeBron (to go over the pure pick and roll). There are so many more options open, including an inverted one with him as a ball handler.

[70sFan]

I would take Jokic as the better pick and roll player

Not as a ball-handler, though him as a screener can make up the ground I guess.

As a combination of both, I think Jokic is creating a more dangerous two man game then prime LeBron (to go over the pure pick and roll). There are so many more options open, including an inverted one with him as a ball handler.

That's fair, although prime James as a screener with good ball-handler sounds just scary.

My point is that the original statement is silly and I'm quite sure you agree.

[Texas Chuck]

calling someone else a troll and saying Lebron's only offensive move is lowering his shoulder tells you all you need to know about if a poster is making a serious analysis or just has an agenda they are desperate to push. Gracious what a ridiculous post.

[jjgp111292]

I would take Jokic as the better pick and roll player

Not as a ball-handler, though him as a screener can make up the ground I guess.

Just because LeBron is more athletic and faster doesnt mean his skill is anywhere near Jokics. LeBron - talking about peak / young LeBron here - has one move and one move only, lower the shoulder and run over defenders and finish at the rim, usually traveling and committing uncalled charges.

Oh, BROTHER. Did I just time warp to the 2009 GB????

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[Heej]

He might be? How is that even a question? He is better at every single aspect of offense other than highlight dunks. Peak LeBron was not a great shooter, Jokic has every shot imaginable from Skyhook to floater to 3pt shot and free throw. He is a better passer and better at offensive rebounding. Obviously he is also setting better screens. LeBrons case over him - if he has one - is longevity and in his first years better defensive contribution, but certainly not offense.

I guess driving, P&R game, transition, ball-handling etc. are all called "highlight dunks" now.

Which of these does LBJ better than Jokic?

It’s crazy we are even dabating this. Jokic is so much more versatile as a player, and so much less dependent on athleticism. If he wants to keep this going, he will break each and every single record LBJ has set offensively. He has already crushed him in career triple doubles while being under 30.

Least obvious ragebait