The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5)

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#861 » by Greyhound » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:20 pm

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Heej wrote:Bruv, Valanciunas is out here dropping 15 in the first half on the Blazers; AD boutta wild the **** out on them lmao. Why is everyone acting so scary about these Blazers lol. Dame-Nurk one is like the goofy version of Steph-Dray Pnr. You just gotta switch it with AD instead of blitzing and playing into their strength imo. Even though it's tempting to just trap and take it outta Dame's hands. Nurkic is too deft at navigating the power play and the Blazers also toy with shorting the screen and kicking it to the guy on the wing who hits Nurk on the short roll. I don't think that's gonna be a viable strategy for a series where they'll just design counters for it.

It’s not being “scary” to show respect to the opponent.

The Lakers are expected to win but these Blazers pose a great challenge to them. They are a much better team then their record indicates and they will be performing in a pressure reduced (fan less) environment that benefits them. The Lakers are going to have to beat them. They are not some young team that will be happy just to be there (like the Grizzlies).

As much as I want the Lakers to win, it would be just as good to watch some of you choke on the obnoxious arrogance on display in this thread.

It’s a win win as far as I am concerned.

Respect the opponent with the appropriate level of fear is a state of mind popularized my Gregg Popovich.

Respect these Blazers. They have been playing for their lives for two weeks now. The Lakers have been goofing around most of that time (after coming off of a long layoff).

I would feel a lot better about the Lakers if I knew they had a coach with championships experience to lean on.

They do not.

I suspect that the intensity level of the first game will be a shock to their system. This goes six, maybe seven games.

Lol I respect them as far as accounting for the rule that a great player will win you one game on his own, and Dame is clearly a great player. CJ maybe might be the difference maker in another one but that's a crapshoot. I'm expecting it to be a real competitive series no doubt, but when push comes to shove there's not enough defensive IQ on the Blazers to hold up on that end of the court down the stretch more than once or twice.

Let's relax and critically analyze the matchups and difference in talent here lol. We've seen this song being sung about LeBron teams many times over now. And it's not like this is the 2015 Cavs he's playing with, many of the major rotation minute players are gonna be battle tested veterans. These guys have seen playoff intensity before, it'll be a shock in the first quarter or half but it's not gonna be a slap in the mouth that gets them in a 2-0 hole lmao.

Y'all really gonna let yourselves get hoodwinked by a Blazers squad playing balls to the wall vs teams treating these games as warmups. It's the Russell Westbrook phenomenon. Suddenly that energy doesn't look so otherworldly once every player on the court decides to turn up lol

You have never seen anything like this before. Cling to your numbers, cuddle up to your historical precedence. None of it applies here.

There is no certainty that players like McGee and Green snap back into normal form, or if their reduced play is just who they are in the bubble. You don’t have a clue what LeBron has to offer (when the pressures on) in a gym void of a large, active audience. There are a lot of unknowns with these Lakers (in this environment).

What we do know is how the Blazers players will respond with everything on the line (in this environment). We have seen it for two weeks now.

I am logical enough to understand that I know nothing of bubble response (where practice champions and bright light cowards have been given a new lease on life). I don’t know anything and neither do you.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#862 » by Greyhound » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:30 pm

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nzahir wrote:Lol, how is this a typical 1-8 matchup? They have a top 10 guy in Dame, usually not the case for the 8th seed

This blazers team is very similar to last years team that went to the conference finals without Nurkic, Melo, or an improved Gary Trent Jr

If Portland was relatively healthy this year, they would be a top 5 seed in the west


Blazers in the playoffs:

2016 - backdoor swept
2017 - swept
2018 - swept
2019 - swept

Notice a pattern? Lillard is an explosive RS scorer but in the PS he can be contained, Lebron and AD are the two best players in the series by an enormous margin.

Sure didn't seem like he could be contained the past couple of weeks

The environment and games POR just played will be similar to the playoff atmosphere in the bubble. Almost every game was a must win for them

I still got LAL in 5/6, but Portland is a bit scary. How do you defend a dame 35-40 footer?

It’s good to see that logical individuals still exist in these parts.

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#863 » by limbo » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:51 pm

Dude... Stop it. Portland is getting clapped...

They play like a five man rotation... and one of those guys is 36-years old Melo... No defense. No bench. Collins is back on the injury list and Whiteside is largely useless now with Nurkic back... They literally have Nurkic/Melo/Trent Jr/CJ/Dame...Everyone else is useless. They need to play these guys like 40-45 minutes per game over the course of a full series... No way they're winning 4 games against the Lakers like that...

Teams like the Lakers, Clippers, Bucks don't give af about the bubble... They gain nothing out of it, only lose with picking up potential injuries. Portland had their season on the line. Same with Phoenix and San Antonio... which is why there's no coincidence these teams had the best records in it...
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#864 » by Greyhound » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:03 pm

limbo wrote:Dude... Stop it. Portland is getting clapped...

They play like a five man rotation... and one of those guys is 36-years old Melo... No defense. No bench. Collins is back on the injury list and Whiteside is largely useless now with Nurkic back... They literally have Nurkic/Melo/Trent Jr/CJ/Dame...Everyone else is useless. They need to play these guys like 40-45 minutes per game over the course of a full series... No way they're winning 4 games against the Lakers like that...

Teams like the Lakers, Clippers, Bucks don't give af about the bubble... They gain nothing out of it, only lose with picking up potential injuries. Portland had their season on the line. Same with Phoenix and San Antonio... which is why there's no coincidence these teams had the best records in it...

And if they don’t...

Your overconfidence will come off as foolishness in hindsight. I will reserve my lol’s for that time.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#865 » by limbo » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:15 pm

How about you put your money where your mouth. I can make you an offer that says Lakers will win this series by dropping a maximum of 2 games. If that happens you need to delete your account. If the Blazers win it, then i will delete mine... **** it, i will delete it even if it goes to 7 games, because it won't...
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The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#866 » by Greyhound » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:17 pm

limbo wrote:How about you put your money where your mouth. I can make you an offer that says Lakers will win this series by dropping a maximum of 2 games. If that happens you need to delete your account. If the Blazers win it, then i will delete mine... **** it, i will delete it even if it goes to 7 games, because it won't...

LOL, my account is old enough to vote. Your account is about a year old.

No bueno.

Dropping a maximum of two games is a six game series. That is a rather competitive situation, don’t you think? “Clapped” as you called it, that is a sweep (at max 5 games).

I have been saying six (maybe seven games) this whole time. You would have me lose while being proven correct.

Save the doofus bet, I don’t gamble. I will be pleased if the Lakers win (easily) and I will be here to LOL you if they do not.

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#867 » by xb3at band1tx » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:24 pm

No way it goes to 7 with that awful POR D, if it's going to 7 Bron or AD are probably not 100%.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#868 » by Heej » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:25 pm

Greyhound wrote:
Heej wrote:
Greyhound wrote:It’s not being “scary” to show respect to the opponent.

The Lakers are expected to win but these Blazers pose a great challenge to them. They are a much better team then their record indicates and they will be performing in a pressure reduced (fan less) environment that benefits them. The Lakers are going to have to beat them. They are not some young team that will be happy just to be there (like the Grizzlies).

As much as I want the Lakers to win, it would be just as good to watch some of you choke on the obnoxious arrogance on display in this thread.

It’s a win win as far as I am concerned.

Respect the opponent with the appropriate level of fear is a state of mind popularized my Gregg Popovich.

Respect these Blazers. They have been playing for their lives for two weeks now. The Lakers have been goofing around most of that time (after coming off of a long layoff).

I would feel a lot better about the Lakers if I knew they had a coach with championships experience to lean on.

They do not.

I suspect that the intensity level of the first game will be a shock to their system. This goes six, maybe seven games.

Lol I respect them as far as accounting for the rule that a great player will win you one game on his own, and Dame is clearly a great player. CJ maybe might be the difference maker in another one but that's a crapshoot. I'm expecting it to be a real competitive series no doubt, but when push comes to shove there's not enough defensive IQ on the Blazers to hold up on that end of the court down the stretch more than once or twice.

Let's relax and critically analyze the matchups and difference in talent here lol. We've seen this song being sung about LeBron teams many times over now. And it's not like this is the 2015 Cavs he's playing with, many of the major rotation minute players are gonna be battle tested veterans. These guys have seen playoff intensity before, it'll be a shock in the first quarter or half but it's not gonna be a slap in the mouth that gets them in a 2-0 hole lmao.

Y'all really gonna let yourselves get hoodwinked by a Blazers squad playing balls to the wall vs teams treating these games as warmups. It's the Russell Westbrook phenomenon. Suddenly that energy doesn't look so otherworldly once every player on the court decides to turn up lol

You have never seen anything like this before. Cling to your numbers, cuddle up to your historical precedence. None of it applies here.

There is no certainty that players like McGee and Green snap back into normal form, or if their reduced play is just who they are in the bubble. You don’t have a clue what LeBron has to offer (when the pressures on) in a gym void of a large, active audience. There are a lot of unknowns with these Lakers (in this environment).

What we do know is how the Blazers players will respond with everything on the line (in this environment). We have seen it for two weeks now.

I am logical enough to understand that I know nothing of bubble response (where practice champions and bright light cowards have been given a new lease on life). I don’t know anything and neither do you.

I forgot bubble basketball is a brand new sport now and nothing applies because they're playing inside a closed off environment with less fans. Tell me, should I bet Raptors in 4 every series since everything's been flipped on its head now that they're playing in the bubble? :lol:

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#869 » by Dupp » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:33 pm

Dame is goated but his help is pretty bad and CJ apparently has quite a series injury. Their perimeter defence is awful. It’s not irrational to think Lakers will win easy. They’re gonna make it really hard for Lillard and force him to give up the ball.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#870 » by kayess » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:13 pm

GSP wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29662426/nba-playoffs-2020-experts-predictions-every-opening-round-series

drza is picking Blazers in 7 wow. Only Espn guy tho


Lol that is insane. Though I agree in general with his KG stuff something about his arguments and conclusions always rubbed me waay the wrong way
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Post#871 » by Heej » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:17 pm

kayess wrote:
GSP wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29662426/nba-playoffs-2020-experts-predictions-every-opening-round-series

drza is picking Blazers in 7 wow. Only Espn guy tho


Lol that is insane. Though I agree in general with his KG stuff something about his arguments and conclusions always rubbed me waay the wrong way

He's one of those dudes that thinks having contrarian takes makes him more savvy than his contemporaries. And I don't mean it as in the dude will just take opposite stances just because it makes him feels smart, it's more like he's inclined to lean that way because to him it's outside the box thinking and that's what his confirmation biases wants to trend towards.

Because worst comes to worst he can just hide behind wrong predictions as saying the pattern that only he so intelligently observed wasn't enough to offset the trends the rest of the commoners clung to (therefore what he spotted wasn't incorrect, just the weighting he applied to it), but if he's right he's got an inherently better handle on what matters in basketball.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#872 » by GSP » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:32 pm

Heej wrote:
kayess wrote:
GSP wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29662426/nba-playoffs-2020-experts-predictions-every-opening-round-series

drza is picking Blazers in 7 wow. Only Espn guy tho


Lol that is insane. Though I agree in general with his KG stuff something about his arguments and conclusions always rubbed me waay the wrong way

He's one of those dudes that thinks having contrarian takes makes him more savvy than his contemporaries. And I don't mean it as in the dude will just take opposite stances just because it makes him feels smart, it's more like he's inclined to lean that way because to him it's outside the box thinking and that's what his confirmation biases wants to trend towards.

Because worst comes to worst he can just hide behind wrong predictions as saying the pattern that only he so intelligently observed wasn't enough to offset the trends the rest of the commoners clung to (therefore what he spotted wasn't incorrect, just the weighting he applied to it), but if he's right he's got an inherently better handle on what matters in basketball.


Hes always had a strong inclination for +/- but way too strong an emphasis on them.

He picked the Spurs over the Warriors in the 1st round of 2018 just b/c they were missing Steph and i bet a big reason for that was the on/off numbers b/w Steph and Kd :lol: :lol:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23136927/expert-predictions-first-round-2018-nba-playoffs
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#873 » by Greyhound » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:40 pm

Heej wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Heej wrote:Lol I respect them as far as accounting for the rule that a great player will win you one game on his own, and Dame is clearly a great player. CJ maybe might be the difference maker in another one but that's a crapshoot. I'm expecting it to be a real competitive series no doubt, but when push comes to shove there's not enough defensive IQ on the Blazers to hold up on that end of the court down the stretch more than once or twice.

Let's relax and critically analyze the matchups and difference in talent here lol. We've seen this song being sung about LeBron teams many times over now. And it's not like this is the 2015 Cavs he's playing with, many of the major rotation minute players are gonna be battle tested veterans. These guys have seen playoff intensity before, it'll be a shock in the first quarter or half but it's not gonna be a slap in the mouth that gets them in a 2-0 hole lmao.

Y'all really gonna let yourselves get hoodwinked by a Blazers squad playing balls to the wall vs teams treating these games as warmups. It's the Russell Westbrook phenomenon. Suddenly that energy doesn't look so otherworldly once every player on the court decides to turn up lol

You have never seen anything like this before. Cling to your numbers, cuddle up to your historical precedence. None of it applies here.

There is no certainty that players like McGee and Green snap back into normal form, or if their reduced play is just who they are in the bubble. You don’t have a clue what LeBron has to offer (when the pressures on) in a gym void of a large, active audience. There are a lot of unknowns with these Lakers (in this environment).

What we do know is how the Blazers players will respond with everything on the line (in this environment). We have seen it for two weeks now.

I am logical enough to understand that I know nothing of bubble response (where practice champions and bright light cowards have been given a new lease on life). I don’t know anything and neither do you.

I forgot bubble basketball is a brand new sport now and nothing applies because they're playing inside a closed off environment with less fans. Tell me, should I bet Raptors in 4 every series since everything's been flipped on its head now that they're playing in the bubble? :lol:

The takes on this board, LMAO

Yes it’s different, making it more difficult to predict.

I hope I am wrong, but I suspect the Blazers will be a difficult matchup for the Lakers.

We will see.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#874 » by Run DLC » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:27 pm

About to hit 7k points and counting in the playoffs. If he has two more strong playoffs run after this year, I don’t see anyone else breaking those playoffs total numbers, at least not in my lifetime.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#875 » by kayess » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:44 pm

Heej wrote:
kayess wrote:
GSP wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29662426/nba-playoffs-2020-experts-predictions-every-opening-round-series

drza is picking Blazers in 7 wow. Only Espn guy tho


Lol that is insane. Though I agree in general with his KG stuff something about his arguments and conclusions always rubbed me waay the wrong way

He's one of those dudes that thinks having contrarian takes makes him more savvy than his contemporaries. And I don't mean it as in the dude will just take opposite stances just because it makes him feels smart, it's more like he's inclined to lean that way because to him it's outside the box thinking and that's what his confirmation biases wants to trend towards.

Because worst comes to worst he can just hide behind wrong predictions as saying the pattern that only he so intelligently observed wasn't enough to offset the trends the rest of the commoners clung to (therefore what he spotted wasn't incorrect, just the weighting he applied to it), but if he's right he's got an inherently better handle on what matters in basketball.


It's not quite that - maybe that's what he's doing here, but it's not what came off from his posts.

I'll give a couple of examples - in the latest AT project, I think DocMJ had KG at 4th (the only guy to do so), and drza pops in and says I was going to do this, but was afraid of backlash etc etc. It was just super weird to me, as if he didn't believe his own arguments and had to be convinced by someone else voting?

Second example: some Playoff RAPM thread thing where it showed LeBron at the top but he omitted a guy (who finished above Bron). Someone asks where KG ranks and he's like "well I knew the discussion would be overshadowed if he was there, but KG is at #1". I get that he was probably legitimately trying to get people to engage on this, but it was just the wrong way to go about it - you need people to accept the logic of the stat, not just how the results look at accept/reject based on that. As it was it just looked like he set up some sort of "gotcha - if you liked this then you have toa ccept KG is #1!" as if the stat was the end all be all.

Mini-rant over. I mean I'd love to hear the justification for Portland in 7, but whether Portland wins, wins in 4 or more games is just totally irrelevant. How you can take in all available data at this point and spit out Portland in 7 is just... lunacy
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#876 » by LA Bird » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:40 am

I don't think there is any stat, +/- or not, that has the Blazers ahead of the Lakers. That is unless we are only looking at the bubble games, in which case one would also have to conclude the Nets are a better team than the Bucks. I hope this is just a one-time mistake and drza isn't going the Skip Bayless route by saying outrageous stuff just for the clicks.
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Post#877 » by Dupp » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:24 am

Ronda to clear quarantine on Monday



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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#878 » by xb3at band1tx » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:40 am

Dupp wrote:Ronda to clear quarantine on Monday



Welp. Rip Lakers.


He's gonna join the team but it's really unclear if he's gonna play. The way they made it seem like it was not gonna be any time soon.
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Post#879 » by GSP » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:05 am

xb3at band1tx wrote:
Dupp wrote:Ronda to clear quarantine on Monday



Welp. Rip Lakers.


He's gonna join the team but it's really unclear if he's gonna play. The way they made it seem like it was not gonna be any time soon.


Yeah they said 6-8 weeks 4 weeks ago. He isnt gonna play against Portland. I think having him with the team will have intangible effects tho
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#880 » by yoyoboy » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:11 pm

Have a feeling we could see a replica of Game 1 2018 against the Pacers where the team just gets punched in the mouth tonight, can't make outside shots, and LeBron doesn't look like himself. Even if that happens, I still like LA's chances to adjust and close this out in 6 games.

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