2023-24 NBA Season Discussion

eminence · Post #861 » by **eminence** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:08 pm

I’m all for some time to mesh, but c’mon Clippers.

MartinToVaught · Post #862 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:02 am

eminence wrote:I’m all for some time to mesh, but c’mon Clippers.

This isn't a "time to mesh" issue. It's a "disastrous team-building and coaching" issue. This group could have all the time in the world and it'll never mesh.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #863 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:39 am

Clippers are hilarious

They’ll be fine but it’s hilarious

Colbinii · Post #864 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:50 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Clippers are hilarious

They’ll be fine but it’s hilarious

Fine as in 1st round exit?

cpower · Post #865 » by **cpower** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:59 am

Draymond Green is warriors 2nd best shooter....now thats bad

MyUniBroDavis · Post #866 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:53 am

Colbinii wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Clippers are hilarious

They’ll be fine but it’s hilarious

Fine as in 1st round exit?

I meant fine as in they won’t continue to be the worst team in the history of the sport lol

ShaqAttac · Post #867 » by **ShaqAttac** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:01 am

me thinks yall slept on us too quick

MrLurker · Post #868 » by **MrLurker** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:32 am

ShaqAttac wrote:me thinks yall slept on us too quick

While I admire the optimism

This is a bit reactionary - we're not exactly good.

I also wonder if we traded for the wrong sixer. My impression is - and I do not know the numbers - Thybulle hasn't quite been as effective of a defender as advertised.

The-Power · Post #869 » by **The-Power** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:48 pm

The Warriors are currently starting a line-up with two shooting threats, one on-ball creator and one plus athlete (in the traditional sense). They have functioned extremely well in the past but at some point it is bound to not be enough anymore. I'm wondering if we're finally at that point.

Wiggins and Klay will likely be shooting better at some point but the Warriors starters just look old and slow as a unit and the offense is way too reliant on Curry making them up for what are clear deficiencies that no other NBA team has in the same way. Let's see if and how the players, coaches and FO adjust, including what (if anything) Kerr does in terms of personnel changes.

rk2023 · Post #870 » by **rk2023** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:21 pm

The-Power wrote:The Warriors are currently starting a line-up with two shooting threats, one on-ball creator and one plus athlete (in the traditional sense). They have functioned extremely well in the past but at some point it is bound to not be enough anymore. I'm wondering if we're finally at that point.

Wiggins and Klay will likely be shooting better at some point but the Warriors starters just look old and slow as a unit and the offense is way too reliant on Curry making them up for what are clear deficiencies that no other NBA team has in the same way. Let's see if and how the players, coaches and FO adjust, including what (if anything) Kerr does in terms of personnel changes.

I think Curry has covered up a lot of holes for Golden State as an organization since the 2019 season.

Post #871 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:44 pm

Man if I'm the Pels I would love if some team would rescue me from the Zion business.

The-Power · Post #872 » by **The-Power** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:49 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
The-Power wrote:I was watching 2015 and 2016 Curry highlights and it's a very different experience compared to today. Back then, I would characterize his play as electrifying. Today, it's a lot more methodical. Very different kind of athlete in terms of quickness and strength. He has adapted over time but continues to play at an incredible level ten years later, and he's still just a joy to watch for me. I can now fully appreciate the greatness of his career. Let's hope he has a couple more seasons like this in him.

Speaking of appreciating greatness, I've started to become more and more appreciative of good basketball and greatness – players and teams – over the years and I'm finally at a point where I'd describe myself as a fan of great basketball and players rather than of one team (even though I'm still very much rooting for the Dubs). And I must say, it's actually a lot more fun – one of the upsides of aging, I suppose haha.

I’m actually curious how you think peak Curry and current Curry differ, dont watch the warriors enough to know aside from him losing some quickness and gaining some strength and being a bit more controlled more than electrifying (horrible way to phrase it lol)

I find it so funny how the entire warriors fan base is just begging Kerr to give him the damn ball lol

Early-dynasty Curry was just chaos. He played fast – fast and loose at times – and it was almost as if nobody on the court, including himself, would know what he was about to do. He would create tons of chaos and tried audacious things on the court all the time. That version of Curry was also a different animal around the rim and in transition. His quickness and creativity really stands out if you compare it to today's version of himself.

Current Curry has become a sensei and mastered the craft. He has been there, done that. He knows a lot better what he can and cannot do, and he fully understands how to use defender's habits against themselves. His added strength helps him create space in a different way, in some ways overcoming his early reliance on quickness. And it feels like he does everything with a purpose and motion efficiency these days. Not a lot of effort wasted these days.

I'd be happy for others to chime in because I'm not sure I managed to convey my thoughts and impressions very well, but it's the best I could do.

xb3at band1tx · Post #873 » by **xb3at band1tx** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:34 pm

Read on Twitter

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This feels like that last Lob City year where people couldn't be bothered enough to care about the Clippers and the vibe of the team was depressing.

Colbinii · Post #874 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:40 pm

Minnesota is currently at a -10.35 Defensive Rating, which is the best PBP Stats has in their data base going back to 2001. The other Top Teams are fairly straight forward [2004 Spurs, 2016 Spurs, 2008 Celtics, 2020 Milwaukee, 2004 Detroit, 2011 Bulls, 2014 Pacers]. I did some number crunching for each of their first 10 games, and the range I found was these teams ranged from being 4.1 Points BETTER than their season average to being 3.5 Points WORSE than their season average in these first 10 games.

Clearly Minnesota isn't going to be a -14 Defense, but I expect them to remain between -7 and -11 for the season.

MrLurker · Post #875 » by **MrLurker** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:19 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Man if I'm the Pels I would love if some team would rescue me from the Zion business.

Is it that bad?

Colbinii · Post #876 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:22 am

MrLurker wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Man if I'm the Pels I would love if some team would rescue me from the Zion business.

Is it that bad?

When you say "Its hard to buy in", yeah its bad.

MrLurker · Post #877 » by **MrLurker** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:27 am

Colbinii wrote:
MrLurker wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Man if I'm the Pels I would love if some team would rescue me from the Zion business.

Is it that bad?

When you say "Its hard to buy in", yeah its bad.

Are you referring to this soundbite?

“We brought up some things I could do better, especially with buying into the program. It’s tough right now but I’m taking a little back seat right now and I’m trusting the process. I’m trying my best to buy in right now."

I don't see a big problem there honestly - maybe there is missing context?

eminence · Post #878 » by **eminence** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:33 am

Colbinii wrote:Clearly Minnesota isn't going to be a -14 Defense

Why are ye fearful?

Colbinii · Post #879 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:39 am

MrLurker wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
MrLurker wrote:Is it that bad?

When you say "Its hard to buy in", yeah its bad.

Are you referring to this soundbite?

“We brought up some things I could do better, especially with buying into the program. It’s tough right now but I’m taking a little back seat right now and I’m trusting the process. I’m trying my best to buy in right now."

I don't see a big problem there honestly - maybe there is missing context?

Yeah, did you see his expression during this?

MrLurker · Post #880 » by **MrLurker** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:44 am

Colbinii wrote:
MrLurker wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
When you say "Its hard to buy in", yeah its bad.

Are you referring to this soundbite?

“We brought up some things I could do better, especially with buying into the program. It’s tough right now but I’m taking a little back seat right now and I’m trusting the process. I’m trying my best to buy in right now."

I don't see a big problem there honestly - maybe there is missing context?

Yeah, did you see his expression during this?

No.