Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley

[VictorPage44]

that his coach is not an obstacle to his progress.

someone never watches the heat...

[oaktownwarriors87]

In about 9 more minutes a game Beasley averages 0.3 less assist, 0.1 more turnovers, 0.1 less steals, 1.1 less blocks and 4.0 more points on 3.2 more FGA.

Despite playing 297 less minutes and one less game Randolph still ranks higher in total FIC... per 40 he gets 4.9 more. Randolph has a per of 19.2, Beasley has a per of 16.5 .

People who defended Beasley said look at the total, people who defended Randolph said look at the minutes... now that doesn't even matter because Randolph wins in one and dominates in the other

Thought I would repost that........ because it's that awesome.

This confirms the GSW delusions.

[loserX]

Danilo Gallinari.

Love the avvy. Y dale, dale, River!

[Chosen01]

that his coach is not an obstacle to his progress.

someone never watches the heat...

+1 sporon is a **** idiot, one game beasley was the only one to score, and was hot and he subbed him for haslem, i think he did it a bout 3 times in the season.

Any little mistake made by beasley he get subed, even though he said in the media that beasley would get more freedom

[turk3d]

At least it was Haslem and not Vlad Rad or CJ Watson. I'd be a lot better if Nellie were substituting Randolph with Haslem. At least he's a real Power Forward and a pretty good one.

[GnarlesOakley]

Danilo Gallinari.

Love the avvy. Y dale, dale, River!

[Dresta]

Well if you want to nitpick numbers

I didn't know that using minutes, points, rebounds, assist, turnovers, steals, blocks and FGA was being a nitpicker. I'll try a little harder next time.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerranking ... highlight=

Despite playing 297 less minutes and one less game Randolph still ranks higher in total FIC... per 40 he gets 4.9 more.

Randolph has a per of 19.2, Beasley has a per of 16.5

People who defended Beasley said look at the total, people who defended Randolph said look at the minutes... now that doesn't even matter.

Well Beasley's PER when he plays PF (the only position he should be playing) is 20, whereas Randolph's is just 11.

[YounG_A]

Beasley is better

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[oaktownwarriors87]

Well if you want to nitpick numbers

I didn't know that using minutes, points, rebounds, assist, turnovers, steals, blocks and FGA was being a nitpicker. I'll try a little harder next time.

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerranking ... highlight=

Despite playing 297 less minutes and one less game Randolph still ranks higher in total FIC... per 40 he gets 4.9 more.

Randolph has a per of 19.2, Beasley has a per of 16.5

People who defended Beasley said look at the total, people who defended Randolph said look at the minutes... now that doesn't even matter.

Well Beasley's PER when he plays PF (the only position he should be playing) is 20, whereas Randolph's is just 11.

That's because Randolph shoots 25% when he plays PF.... BECAUSE HE HAS BARLEY PLAYED THERE(6% of all minutes)!

Face the facts Beasley apologist, Randolph has been more productive in almost 300 less minutes.

[Chosen01]

That's because Randolph shoots 25% when he plays PF.... BECAUSE HE HAS BARLEY PLAYED THERE(6% of all minutes)!

Face the facts Beasley apologist, Randolph has been more productive in almost 300 less minutes.

Yet beasley consistently puts up better numbers. mhm sure...

[oaktownwarriors87]

Yet beasley consistently puts up better numbers. mhm sure...

Consistently puts up better numbers? FIC is a formula that uses points, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, assist, steals, blocks, turnovers, fouls, fga and fta... Randolph scored HIGHER.

About 300 more minutes and he still had a lower FIC How in the hell is that "consistently better"

[Chosen01]

Randoplh will go for 18 one game 6 the next, while beasley's numbers are just getting better, could care less about FIC. Whats the PER of each player btw?



Not saying randolph aint good, hes raw and in couple of years with good minutes hes be the better all round player with like a prime of 18 11 and 4 apg 1.5 spg 1.3bpg on 49% shooting

but i see beasley in his prime 25 9 and 2apg 1spg 0.9bpg on 48% shooting

[oaktownwarriors87]

Randolph is about as inconsistent as his minutes are... you can't trash him for that! The FACTS show that in less minutes Randolph has been more statistically productive.

Whats the PER of each player btw?

Beasley = 16.6 and Randolph = 19.2

[Hallstar]

lol @ this still going on

it was Beasley, it will continue to be Beasley...funny how the poll has changed

[gswhoopsman]

At least we've all agreed that Randolph puts up better stats in less minutes now, and anyone picking beasley is doing so based on subjective preference.

[VictorPage44]

^^^^

thats if you dont consider that beasley has better shooting %s across the board, a much better opponents' eFG%, and a lower turnover rate. saying that randolph has better statistics is subjective as well. What statistics do you feel are important? Randolph's assist/rebound rates being higher than beasley's have to do with the team he's playing on. playing center in nellie's run and gun offense is going to result in higher assist and rebound numbers than beasley will get playing the 3/4 in a restricted half court set with a lot of called plays and isolations. However, i dont think anyone can dispute that randolph is the more active defensive player.

Still, Beasley has 20+ points in 2 of the last 3 first halves. Randolph has 2 twenty point GAMES all season. I dont think theres any question whos the better offensive player at this point.

[Chosen01]

lol most people know beasley is better, thus the closing gap, im not even gonna rgue anymore, we'll let the Numbers do the talking

[oaktownwarriors87]

^^^^

thats if you dont consider that beasley has better shooting %s across the board, a much better opponents' eFG%, and a lower turnover rate. saying that randolph has better statistics is subjective as well. What statistics do you feel are important? Randolph's assist/rebound rates being higher than beasley's have to do with the team he's playing on. playing center in nellie's run and gun offense is going to result in higher assist and rebound numbers than beasley will get playing the 3/4 in a restricted half court set with a lot of called plays and isolations. However, i dont think anyone can dispute that randolph is the more active defensive player.

Still, Beasley has 20+ points in 2 of the last 3 first halves. Randolph has 2 twenty point GAMES all season. I dont think theres any question whos the better offensive player at this point.

He's not better statistically in every category, just better statistically overall... that's a fact.

It's true, Nellys system helps players numbers... just look at Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki etc. etc. I'm sure being one of only two scorers on the Miami Heat and playing next to arguably the best player in the NBA doesn't help Beasley at all though.

[VictorPage44]

He's not better statistically in every category, just better statistically overall... that's a fact.

It's true, Nellys system helps players numbers... just look at Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki etc. etc. I'm sure being one of only two scorers on the Miami Heat and playing next to arguably the best player in the NBA doesn't help Beasley at all though.

better overall, except for on the offensive end of the court and defensive efficiency? like i said, that depends how you define "overall". It's subjective. PER is subjective.

The heat are near the bottom in assist percentage, and last in fast break points. They dont get easy buckets, so im not sure how that helps beasley at all on the offensive end. Also, wade is not arguably the best player in the league this season. he's arguably top five, and thats being generous, but like i said that doesnt have much of an effect on the overall assist numbers for the heat. they slow it down and run a lot of isos.

You could argue that beas has more help on the defensive end, which is why his opponents' eFG% is much better than AR's, however their on/off numbers are near identical defensively, where beas gets replaced by a defensive specialist in joel anthony/a veteran player in udonis haslem (and AR gets replaced by mikki moore and maggs? at center).

Also, beasley is without fail the first player taken out of the game for the heat. It doesnt matter what he's done up until that point, he's the first starter out of the game. last night he had 11 points and he held josh smith to 0 points in the first quarter, and he was still the first one out of the game. Spoelstra sticks to his rotations no matter what, which doesnt really benefit beasley's statistics (he isnt allowed to stay in when hes hot), however I do think in the long run it'll end up making him a better, more complete player if there are consequences for his mistakes now.

[FNQ]

I love that both coaches are misusing these talents... give it a rest, all of you... the only reason any of you are crying foul is because they aren't catering to your designated favorite players - the young, high potential players from the 1st round.

FWIW, Nellie's doing great in the actual development of AR... his #s are high because of our pace, but his minutes are low because thats how Nellie's coaxing him to improve... no idea why Beasley is 'getting screwed' too.. but I bet I could count on one fist how many people here have seen both play enough to make any kind of accurate comparison of the two