The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

[nzahir]

Hayes = waste of time

Absolutely disgusting

4 fouls in 4 min

Provides basically nothing

AD cost us big that half, 4 blown layups. 2-3 were wide open and easy ones

Teams effort was pretty bad and horrible the last few min

Gabe Vincent is not good enough anymore seems like post injuries

Need a better #3 ball handler

Knecht needs more time to develop, hes a rookie, but my god his defense is bad and the 3 point shot isnt working right now

I bet we would only move Knecht for another young guy though

Need 2-3 more new playoff rotation guys in here or a star (but just not seeing it being easily done)

[Tracymcgoaty]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

[zimpy27]

Would you guys do Rui+Vando+Gabe+Christie+JHS for Butler+Pelle?

The trade ends the team with Reaves, Butler, DFS, LeBron, Davis (seems like the best starting 5 in the NBA). But the bench would be relying on some buyout guys joining.. it would have Reddish, Knecht and Wood.

Ehh idk

I like our main core, think we need to lean into defensive identity as that may be our best shot

I think Max has helped us turn things around

Not sure if Jimmy will give enough defensive effort in the reg season, but havent watched him to really know

Spacing is the main concern there

Rather just give up the 1sts for a very good C and a 3rd guard to play with AR and Max

If Miami is willing to take literally just that package, a 26 swap, and a 28 swap with very limited protections, sure

Then I would flip both 1sts and unprotect 27 for Kessler. Protect 1 of them.

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Burks (instead of Pelle), Knecht, Kessler

Seems like too complicated to make a Butler deal work honestly and have depth

Max has value but I'm not trusting him over Butler when it matters.

[nzahir]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

Ok then trade AD and Bron this year

No point in wasting more time

This is a HORRIBLY run franchise

Worst team in the nba for a 5 year stretch before Lebron came here

Send Lebron to GS or another team with a 1-2 year window

[Tracymcgoaty]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

Ok then trade AD and Bron this year

No point in wasting more time

This is a HORRIBLY run franchise

Worst team in the nba for a 5 year stretch before Lebron came here

Send Lebron to GS or another team with a 1-2 year window

I dont give a crap about what they do. Like i said in the game thread. Watching for DK4 and Christie. **** AD and **** Lebron.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Also i dont get you dude are you a laker fan or are you a Lebron fan? Clearly sounds like you're a Lebron fan. He's not going anywhere lol. He's here to retire. Luckily we won a chip with him here so im fine with him chilling here until he retires. AD needs to go. I cant stand his wack ass. Some idiotic team are prob willing to give a haul for him.

[trickshot]

Needed to address these things before every GM, redditor and journalist could see these guys couldn't hustle or grab a rebound against a high school team. It's now impossible to do just that without getting fleeced even worse. FO is now so deep in the mess it might no longer be worth trying to fix.

[nzahir]

Would you guys do Rui+Vando+Gabe+Christie+JHS for Butler+Pelle?

The trade ends the team with Reaves, Butler, DFS, LeBron, Davis (seems like the best starting 5 in the NBA). But the bench would be relying on some buyout guys joining.. it would have Reddish, Knecht and Wood.

Ehh idk

I like our main core, think we need to lean into defensive identity as that may be our best shot

I think Max has helped us turn things around

Not sure if Jimmy will give enough defensive effort in the reg season, but havent watched him to really know

Spacing is the main concern there

Rather just give up the 1sts for a very good C and a 3rd guard to play with AR and Max

If Miami is willing to take literally just that package, a 26 swap, and a 28 swap with very limited protections, sure

Then I would flip both 1sts and unprotect 27 for Kessler. Protect 1 of them.

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Burks (instead of Pelle), Knecht, Kessler

Seems like too complicated to make a Butler deal work honestly and have depth

Max has value but I'm not trusting him over Butler when it matters.

Funyn enough can make the math work by keeping Max, but need to move Knecht (Vincent, Vando, Rui, Knecht, JHS, and Hayes)

6 for 1. Gonna need a 3rd team. Miami sends the 2nd(s) to 3rd/4th team to help transact. I dont see them getting 1 young prospect better than Knecht in a deal

We have 6m before 2nd apron

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Cam, Wood
Bronny

Notable decent cheap names to get in trades with picks/swaps

PG: Nembhard, Jose Alvarado,
SG: TY Jerome, Keon Ellis, GTJ
Sf and PF Jovic, GG Jackson, Yabusele, Camara
C: Kessler

Best FAs:
Pgs: Fultz, DSJ
SG-PF: Justin Holiday, Bates Diop, RoCo, MArcus Morris
C: Biyombo

If you can snag 1-2 of the cheap names in a deal, then I would honestly do it. Not very realistic though

[nzahir]

Needed to address these things before every GM, redditor and journalist could see these guys couldn't hustle or grab a rebound against a high school team. It's now impossible to do just that without getting fleeced even worse. FO is now so deep in the mess it might no longer be worth trying to fix.

Lukcily Vando does those things, just not sure how healthy he is

My hope is he took all this time off to be very close to as 100% as he can be and didnt rush not

[letskissbro]

Seriously GG Rob for not touching those picks. Dude saw what it took a whle for me to see.

Keep the picks and move on from AD and Lebron.

Ok then trade AD and Bron this year

No point in wasting more time

This is a HORRIBLY run franchise

Worst team in the nba for a 5 year stretch before Lebron came here

Send Lebron to GS or another team with a 1-2 year window

I dont give a crap about what they do. Like i said in the game thread. Watching for DK4 and Christie. **** AD and **** Lebron.

You do understand you’re in the 2024-25 LeBron and AD thread, right? Nobody here wants to hear your incessant bitching and whining. Please take it somewhere else. Maybe you can start a 2024-25 DK4 and Christie thread and weep there instead.

[nzahir]

Also i dont get you dude are you a laker fan or are you a Lebron fan? Clearly sounds like you're a Lebron fan. He's not going anywhere lol. He's here to retire. Luckily we won a chip with him here so im fine with him chilling here until he retires. AD needs to go. I cant stand his wack ass. Some idiotic team are prob willing to give a haul for him.

Lebron fan

I dont mind them blowing it up, but then actually blow it up

I think Lebron wouldnt mind being in SF for 1-2 years. Close enough to LA, very short flight. Gets to play with Curry and try and compete for a ring

They can keep Wiggins and Draymond even if they want, but unload most of their "depth"

[Tracymcgoaty]

Ok then trade AD and Bron this year

No point in wasting more time

This is a HORRIBLY run franchise

Worst team in the nba for a 5 year stretch before Lebron came here

Send Lebron to GS or another team with a 1-2 year window

I dont give a crap about what they do. Like i said in the game thread. Watching for DK4 and Christie. **** AD and **** Lebron.

You do understand you’re in the 2024-25 LeBron and AD thread, right? Nobody here wants to hear your incessant bitching and whining. Please take it somewhere else. Maybe you can start a 2024-25 DK4 and Christie thread and weep there instead.

Replying to a comment you dont like it ignore it. I've posted two comments and it's incessant.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Also i dont get you dude are you a laker fan or are you a Lebron fan? Clearly sounds like you're a Lebron fan. He's not going anywhere lol. He's here to retire. Luckily we won a chip with him here so im fine with him chilling here until he retires. AD needs to go. I cant stand his wack ass. Some idiotic team are prob willing to give a haul for him.

Lebron fan

I dont mind them blowing it up, but then actually blow it up

I think Lebron wouldnt mind being in SF for 1-2 years. Close enough to LA, very short flight. Gets to play with Curry and try and compete for a ring

They can keep Wiggins and Draymond even if they want, but unload most of their "depth"

Lol here i was thinking you were a laker fan . Yeah for sure if Lebron wants to go by all means he can go. Thanks for the chip and all. But he's been open with him wanting to stay. Thats not the Lakers fault it's up to him. But he wont.

Legit dude Lebrons time of contending is over. He's 40 years old and he cant maintain the same effort of play. Multiple plays this game couldn't even bother with guarding his guy. I dont see how him going to the Warriors opens up a 1-2 year window to contend.

[IG2]

The type of loss that makes it apparent this is not a serious team. Too many rotation players who can't play defense and can't rebound. LeBron's 40 and while still a good offensive player, he's a liability on the other end. AD proving for the umpteenth time he's simply not a first option, which this team needs him to be.

Another play-in season on the way.

[nzahir]

Also i dont get you dude are you a laker fan or are you a Lebron fan? Clearly sounds like you're a Lebron fan. He's not going anywhere lol. He's here to retire. Luckily we won a chip with him here so im fine with him chilling here until he retires. AD needs to go. I cant stand his wack ass. Some idiotic team are prob willing to give a haul for him.

Lebron fan

I dont mind them blowing it up, but then actually blow it up

I think Lebron wouldnt mind being in SF for 1-2 years. Close enough to LA, very short flight. Gets to play with Curry and try and compete for a ring

They can keep Wiggins and Draymond even if they want, but unload most of their "depth"

Lol here i was thinking you were a laker fan . Yeah for sure if Lebron wants to go by all means he can go. Thanks for the chip and all. But he's been open with him wanting to stay. Thats not the Lakers fault it's up to him. But he wont.

Legit dude Lebrons time of contending is over. He's 40 years old and he cant maintain the same effort of play. Multiple plays this game couldn't even bother with guarding his guy. I dont see how him going to the Warriors opens up a 1-2 year window to contend.

Yes it is Lebron's fault for being so dumb to let Pelinka and Jeanie handle his fate honestly

AD has to get his **** together

Hes supposed to be the #1 guy, cant expect a 40 year Bron to do it anymore, just cant expect it from him every night to be a #1 guy

This is why I want us to be more focused on defense, need to be a gritty team, but need Lebron to also give effort there

I dont see why we cant go on a 5 game winning streak

Hornets, Spurs, Spurs, Heat, Nets

All at home

Then got the Clips and Wiz, still all at home

No b2bs....I dont see why we cant do it

[Tracymcgoaty]

Lebron fan

I dont mind them blowing it up, but then actually blow it up

I think Lebron wouldnt mind being in SF for 1-2 years. Close enough to LA, very short flight. Gets to play with Curry and try and compete for a ring

They can keep Wiggins and Draymond even if they want, but unload most of their "depth"

Lol here i was thinking you were a laker fan . Yeah for sure if Lebron wants to go by all means he can go. Thanks for the chip and all. But he's been open with him wanting to stay. Thats not the Lakers fault it's up to him. But he wont.

Legit dude Lebrons time of contending is over. He's 40 years old and he cant maintain the same effort of play. Multiple plays this game couldn't even bother with guarding his guy. I dont see how him going to the Warriors opens up a 1-2 year window to contend.

Yes it is Lebron's fault for being so dumb to let Pelinka and Jeanie handle his fate honestly

AD has to get his **** together

Hes supposed to be the #1 guy, cant expect a 40 year Bron to do it anymore, just cant expect it from him every night to be a #1 guy

This is why I want us to be more focused on defense, need to be a gritty team, but need Lebron to also give effort there

I dont see why we cant go on a 5 game winning streak

Hornets, Spurs, Spurs, Heat, Nets

All at home

Then got the Clips and Wiz, still all at home

No b2bs....I dont see why we cant do it

You keep on believing bud

[nzahir]

Lol here i was thinking you were a laker fan . Yeah for sure if Lebron wants to go by all means he can go. Thanks for the chip and all. But he's been open with him wanting to stay. Thats not the Lakers fault it's up to him. But he wont.

Legit dude Lebrons time of contending is over. He's 40 years old and he cant maintain the same effort of play. Multiple plays this game couldn't even bother with guarding his guy. I dont see how him going to the Warriors opens up a 1-2 year window to contend.

Yes it is Lebron's fault for being so dumb to let Pelinka and Jeanie handle his fate honestly

AD has to get his **** together

Hes supposed to be the #1 guy, cant expect a 40 year Bron to do it anymore, just cant expect it from him every night to be a #1 guy

This is why I want us to be more focused on defense, need to be a gritty team, but need Lebron to also give effort there

I dont see why we cant go on a 5 game winning streak

Hornets, Spurs, Spurs, Heat, Nets

All at home

Then got the Clips and Wiz, still all at home

No b2bs....I dont see why we cant do it

You keep on believing bud

Honestly I dont see why we shouldnt be winning those games at least

Bron and AD are still all star players

AR had his worst game by far since the Dlo deal, but hes a solid player

DFS is a known winning player and a nice role guy

Max and Rui are servicable role guys

The issue is thats it:

Dalton is way too inconsistent as a rookie, thats fine. But not very ready. He is also a horrible defender, which is annoying since he has the atheltic tools to be better

Gabe isnt good, that Miami playoff run was an outlier. But not even the Gabe from Miami post these injuries

Vando and Wood have yet to play, so who knows if they even give us anything

Hayes sucks. Honestly not sure why hes even playing over Koloko (who also isnt great)

So its either go get a #3 guy and push in multiple of these guys and then replace them with vet mins or go get multiple new role guys

Maybe I'm blinded, but I think we have 5-6 playoff rotation guys. The issue is we dont have a top 5 and probably not a top 10 guy with AD playing like this. But come playoff time, I think at least 1 of Bron or AD should be a top 10 guy

So you have to either have a to make a ton of 3s or have a defensive identity. I prefer to lean into #2 if we arent getting a star

[Tracymcgoaty]

Yes it is Lebron's fault for being so dumb to let Pelinka and Jeanie handle his fate honestly

AD has to get his **** together

Hes supposed to be the #1 guy, cant expect a 40 year Bron to do it anymore, just cant expect it from him every night to be a #1 guy

This is why I want us to be more focused on defense, need to be a gritty team, but need Lebron to also give effort there

I dont see why we cant go on a 5 game winning streak

Hornets, Spurs, Spurs, Heat, Nets

All at home

Then got the Clips and Wiz, still all at home

No b2bs....I dont see why we cant do it

You keep on believing bud

Honestly I dont see why we shouldnt be winning those games at least

Bron and AD are still all star players

AR had his worst game by far since the Dlo deal, but hes a solid player

DFS is a known winning player and a nice role guy

Max and Rui are servicable role guys

The issue is thats it:

Dalton is way too inconsistent as a rookie, thats fine. But not very ready. He is also a horrible defender, which is annoying since he has the atheltic tools to be better

Gabe isnt good, that Miami playoff run was an outlier. But not even the Gabe from Miami post these injuries

Vando and Wood have yet to play, so who knows if they even give us anything

Hayes sucks. Honestly not sure why hes even playing over Koloko (who also isnt great)

So its either go get a #3 guy and push in multiple of these guys and then replace them with vet mins or go get multiple new role guys

Maybe I'm blinded, but I think we have 5-6 playoff rotation guys. The issue is we dont have a top 5 and probably not a top 10 guy with AD playing like this. But come playoff time, I think at least 1 of Bron or AD should be a top 10 guy

So you have to either have a to make a ton of 3s or have a defensive identity. I prefer to lean into #2 if we arent getting a star

Again i dont see this team being much of anything as long as the duo is a 40 year old Lebron and a bipolar AD. There are no moves out there that make this team a contender. Pelinka is an idiot if he gives up assets for some third star. I'd take Ingram though since he's young enough so when Lebron retires and AD leaves we can still have players to develop.

Other than that not much else to look forward to with this team imo. You go as your stars go and sadly our stars are very bipolar.

At least lebron has the Age excuse. AD just doesn't have the mentality.

[Mos_Heat]

Hou would outbid us

2 1sts, 2 swaps, Knecht, Vincent, JHS, and Rui/Vando+Shake+Hayes are salaries btw

Usually when a guy has one year left on his deal his agent can direct where his client goes via trade.

That's an off-season discussion anyways. i just think that Fox is good and realistic enough. So unless LAL can get a game changer or 2 rock solid role players, they probably should keep draft picks

Cant keep on waiting for the "right deal"

This team was stupid enough to not push in more chips in 2022-2023 at the deadline

Maybe we could have won the chip that year if we had another C to help vs Jokic and or if we got Conley instead of Dlo

If we can get Fox THIS deadline, sure. Rui, Knecht, Vincent, salary filler, 2 1sts, 3 swaps (26, 28, 30) for Fox and Len

Fox, Reaves, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Vando, Wood, Len

Does this even help us honestly? We got smaller and have very little depth

"The right deal" is their only hope because AD and Lebron aren't good enough anymore. People should face reality stop fooling yourself

[zimpy27]

Ehh idk

I like our main core, think we need to lean into defensive identity as that may be our best shot

I think Max has helped us turn things around

Not sure if Jimmy will give enough defensive effort in the reg season, but havent watched him to really know

Spacing is the main concern there

Rather just give up the 1sts for a very good C and a 3rd guard to play with AR and Max

If Miami is willing to take literally just that package, a 26 swap, and a 28 swap with very limited protections, sure

Then I would flip both 1sts and unprotect 27 for Kessler. Protect 1 of them.

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Burks (instead of Pelle), Knecht, Kessler

Seems like too complicated to make a Butler deal work honestly and have depth

Max has value but I'm not trusting him over Butler when it matters.

Funyn enough can make the math work by keeping Max, but need to move Knecht (Vincent, Vando, Rui, Knecht, JHS, and Hayes)

6 for 1. Gonna need a 3rd team. Miami sends the 2nd(s) to 3rd/4th team to help transact. I dont see them getting 1 young prospect better than Knecht in a deal

We have 6m before 2nd apron

Reaves, Butler, DFS, Bron, AD
Milton, Christie, Cam, Wood
Bronny

Notable decent cheap names to get in trades with picks/swaps

PG: Nembhard, Jose Alvarado,
SG: TY Jerome, Keon Ellis, GTJ
Sf and PF Jovic, GG Jackson, Yabusele, Camara
C: Kessler

Best FAs:
Pgs: Fultz, DSJ
SG-PF: Justin Holiday, Bates Diop, RoCo, MArcus Morris
C: Biyombo

If you can snag 1-2 of the cheap names in a deal, then I would honestly do it. Not very realistic though

You need a minimum of 14 players on roster, don't think Lakers would have the cap to add the minimums required after the trade. About $1.6m per player would be $6.4m for 4 to make it to 14 players.