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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#981 » by parsnips33 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:27 pm

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parsnips33 wrote:I know a lot of Warriors fans hate the idea of investing a lot in a center, but I've always had fun imagining a situation where Warriors get a chance to put Gobert next to Draymond

Not realistic, but could you imagine how good a defense with those two would be


Their payroll is already incredibly high isn't it? how much more can they invest? :P


There was brief period in the offseason when rumors were Mitchell and Gobert wanted to split up and my thinking was Wiggins + a lot for Gobert. Moment has passed for both teams, but it's still fun to imagine
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Post#982 » by parsnips33 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:54 pm

Warriors-Grizz matchup gives me shades of Spurs-OKC in the early/mid 10s

The veteran team with dynastic history that relies on a lot of cuts and passing vs the young, uber atheltic up-and-comers who can bother the older team with sheer length and athleticism
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#983 » by GSP » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:10 am

LukaTheGOAT wrote:Is that Nets chatter I hear?



This vid isnt gonna age well IMO Brooklyns defense wasnt the main issue this season. Their defense has problems most def but they have bigger problems

Wonder if Elgee will talk about the Warriors offense lately? But that would mean making a negative vid about the team/Steph so prolly not

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#984 » by LukaTheGOAT » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:19 am

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LukaTheGOAT wrote:Is that Nets chatter I hear?



This vid isnt gonna age well IMO Brooklyns defense wasnt the main issue this season. Their defense has problems most def but they have bigger problems

Wonder if Elgee will talk about the Warriors offense lately? But that would mean making a negative vid about the team/Steph so prolly not

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What are the bigger issues with Brooklyn do you think? I know about the Kyrie situation but other than that.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#985 » by eminence » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:21 am

It's 112.1 with Steph and 99.7 without over that period. Not sure it'd be all that negative on Steph even with his shooting in the tank.

Man I hope Gobert gets back soon, Jazz games have been a terrible without him.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#986 » by GSP » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:33 am

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LukaTheGOAT wrote:Is that Nets chatter I hear?



This vid isnt gonna age well IMO Brooklyns defense wasnt the main issue this season. Their defense has problems most def but they have bigger problems

Wonder if Elgee will talk about the Warriors offense lately? But that would mean making a negative vid about the team/Steph so prolly not

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What are the bigger issues with Brooklyn do you think? I know about the Kyrie situation but other than that.


Ironically their team shooting is pedestrian. Kyrie just came back so maybe thats changed but they have alot of defensive wings that cant shoot and clogs their spacing. Brown, Bembry, Carter, Duke all do the same things more or less. The spacing can be bad and the offense gets really easy to defend. Its caused Kd/Harden to have a ton of 40 minute nights. Blakes shooting last year was a fluke too and Claxton while a great defender doesnt provide much on offense. Besides that theyre a really poor rebounding team arguably the worst among playoff teams.
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Post#987 » by LukaTheGOAT » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:24 am

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Post#988 » by GSP » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:06 am

Anyone worried about Luka long term? He was already so insanely skilled coming in i wonder if he isnt at or hit his ceiling already. Story of his Mavs run IMO is how well the team plays whether hes out there or not and often times better w/o him. This season his shot has been bad.
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Post#989 » by parsnips33 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:22 pm

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LukaTheGOAT wrote:Is that Nets chatter I hear?



This vid isnt gonna age well IMO Brooklyns defense wasnt the main issue this season. Their defense has problems most def but they have bigger problems

Wonder if Elgee will talk about the Warriors offense lately? But that would mean making a negative vid about the team/Steph so prolly not

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The video would probably be a 10 minute montage of guys bricking threes :lol:
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#990 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:56 pm

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LukaTheGOAT wrote:Is that Nets chatter I hear?



This vid isnt gonna age well IMO Brooklyns defense wasnt the main issue this season. Their defense has problems most def but they have bigger problems

Wonder if Elgee will talk about the Warriors offense lately? But that would mean making a negative vid about the team/Steph so prolly not

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So, I've now noticed a couple people responding to this video who seem to be saying "Pfft, DRtg doesn't look bad!", and I think it's important to understand that what he's talking about here starts with that as the baseline, and from there talks about the concerns he has.

So then, what he's essentially saying is that if the Nets don't show improvement in how they are playing defense, we should expect both that the DRtg will get worse over the course of the season and that the defense will be severely exploited by quality offenses particularly in the playoffs.

If that isn't what happens, then the video will age poorly - though even then, it won't necessarily mean he was wrong in what he was seeing. It may just mean that the Nets play better defense later in the year.

Re: implied bias for Steph. Just remember that he's not getting paid to be a fan. He's trying to be give correct insight and to the extent a bias hurts his ability to do this, that hurts his bottom line. He can be wrong, he can have uncorrected biases, but he doesn't have a secret agenda to make Steph look good, because it would be bad business for him to work that way.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#991 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:01 pm

GSP wrote:Anyone worried about Luka long term? He was already so insanely skilled coming in i wonder if he isnt at or hit his ceiling already. Story of his Mavs run IMO is how well the team plays whether hes out there or not and often times better w/o him. This season his shot has been bad.


Yes.

The fact that he really doesn't seem to have grown from his 2nd season through his 4th season is massively disappointing.

The fact that his body is able to get so out of shape in between the Olympics and the NBA season is disturbing.

The fact he had such a confrontational attitude toward his former coach and the end result was a complete regime change leaving basically only Doncic and Mark Cuban as the throughline, doesn't bode well.

Two years ago, he felt like a future GOAT candidate. He doesn't anymore.
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Post#992 » by Peregrine01 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:51 pm

Re: Luka. I wonder if he's all that motivated with his training. No doubt he's a big competitor on the floor but the way he lets himself get so out of shape in between seasons has to be concerning.
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Post#993 » by Outside » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:10 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:Re: Luka. I wonder if he's all that motivated with his training. No doubt he's a big competitor on the floor but the way he lets himself get so out of shape in between seasons has to be concerning.


It has to be his diet in addition to training. He's eating ice cream, chips, and beer or whatever junk food equivalent he's into. There's just no other way, unless he has an actual metabolism problem.
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Post#994 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:21 pm

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Peregrine01 wrote:Re: Luka. I wonder if he's all that motivated with his training. No doubt he's a big competitor on the floor but the way he lets himself get so out of shape in between seasons has to be concerning.


It has to be his diet in addition to training. He's eating ice cream, chips, and beer or whatever junk food equivalent he's into. There's just no other way, unless he has an actual metabolism problem.


I really think metabolism has to be part of the explanation for both Luka & Zion. For that reason I think there's reason to be optimistic for their careers if they just get really good training habits, but man, if they don't keep up those habits after they retire, they are going to absolutely balloon.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#995 » by Peregrine01 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:03 pm

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Peregrine01 wrote:Re: Luka. I wonder if he's all that motivated with his training. No doubt he's a big competitor on the floor but the way he lets himself get so out of shape in between seasons has to be concerning.


It has to be his diet in addition to training. He's eating ice cream, chips, and beer or whatever junk food equivalent he's into. There's just no other way, unless he has an actual metabolism problem.


I really think metabolism has to be part of the explanation for both Luka & Zion. For that reason I think there's reason to be optimistic for their careers if they just get really good training habits, but man, if they don't keep up those habits after they retire, they are going to absolutely balloon.


They have body types that are naturally bigger...ala Barkley. Still inexcusable for them to balloon the way they do now. Luka came in to training camp more than 30 lbs above his playing weight in just a few short months. And Zion, well...
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Post#996 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:22 am

Tonight another example of the mystery of this board constantly telling me Giannis ain't that great an offensive player. I'm just never going to understand how we are arriving at that conclusion.

But I'm going to continue in my steadfast belief that this guy is one of the best offensive players in the league even with a relative lack of jump shooting.

Wild to me that this guy can win b2b MVP's along with a DPOY then follow up that by leading his team to a championship with epic Finals performances and the narrative is still ahh he ain't that great.

He that great.
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Post#997 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

And after that unpopular take, I thought I'd also point out Steph and the Warriors have really come back down to earth offensively. I get they are beloved in their style of play and Steph and Kerr and all those role players contributing, but the offense hasn't been good for the past 20 games or so now.

Might Golden State not be the juggernaut they looked early?
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Post#998 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Tonight another example of the mystery of this board constantly telling me Giannis ain't that great an offensive player. I'm just never going to understand how we are arriving at that conclusion.

But I'm going to continue in my steadfast belief that this guy is one of the best offensive players in the league even with a relative lack of jump shooting.

Wild to me that this guy can win b2b MVP's along with a DPOY then follow up that by leading his team to a championship with epic Finals performances and the narrative is still ahh he ain't that great.

He that great.


i feel like players who are much more athletic than they are skilled (giannis is skilled, but his athletism is otherworldy) get underated sometimes
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Post#999 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:26 am

Texas Chuck wrote:And after that unpopular take, I thought I'd also point out Steph and the Warriors have really come back down to earth offensively. I get they are beloved in their style of play and Steph and Kerr and all those role players contributing, but the offense hasn't been good for the past 20 games or so now.

Might Golden State not be the juggernaut they looked early?


i dont think any team this year qualifies for the word "juggernaut" which i usually would reserve for all time caliber teams
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Post#1000 » by LukaTheGOAT » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:52 am

The Giannis offensive takes have been beaten to death and it is all relative to who you compare him to. It is about how much do you weight the 1st 8 games or so of his PS run last year to the rest of it, because there was a major uptick in production. Before that, people had skepticism of whether Giannis was easier to scheme against than other offensive players and with only such a large sample size at that point, it really came down to what someone saw with their eye. Many stars will face this criticism early in their careers if things aren't completely smooth sailing.

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