mailmp wrote:Kind-of funny to look at how disrespected Reggie has been over the years. We can criticise all-NBA voting, but looks like voters here have done much of the same when it comes to him.
At best the use of "voters" here is problematic. All voters, some voters? It's unclear and "all" seems at very least plausible. "Disrespected" too, it's emotive and often attached to malicious intent (here I'd note you find others' responses "defensive" ... this language might be why).
You have said you would not put Reggie on the ballot.
You know that not to put Reggie on the ballot is not inherently "disrespect".
You would like Reggie 6th or 7th some years where he isn't.
On a 5 deep ballot if there is something like a consensus top 5 then you are getting very little information to sort players 6 and down. Indeed you do not know - unless you have gone back and looked at all discussion and HMs - that any voter rated him any lower than you do, though you might reasonably consider it likely.
You think that - and this is predicated on your 5 being the same 5 as voters' consensus choices - that the handful of people you think picked the wrong 5, picked the wrong wrong 5.
FWIW, the limited impact numbers available have '95 Stockton higher. The faux-RAPM ("Regressed RAPM" based on on-off data) has Stockton 7th, Miller 30th. The gap is smaller in on-off but then Miller falls behind more of his teammates (worse in both than Smits, worse in on-off than McKey, Jackson). Just one type of measure (and not the best due to limited info) of course but then Stockton is more box-productive with a better defensive reputation and plays and extra 300 minutes. Miller does of course have his playoffs. People's methods will differ. But without evidence of reading the rationales, and given the limited information that you know is sorting those final ranking spots and given the quality of what was done by Stockton, I'm seeing it hard to justify calling what was done "disrespect".