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Who's the better player? Who would you rather build around?

They're two different players?

Build around? Neither.

ZzAzZ wrote:They're two different players?

+1. You haven't watched enough of the two play if you think they are similar...aside from the fact that they both are very good three point shooters and are from Italy, they have next to nothing in common regards to their playing style.

The correct answer is bargs... and its not even close... he fills a harder position, hes a better defender, he can be the focal point of a teams offense. He's improving aspects of his game each year, while gallo hasn't improved on anything really.

cough ones a #1 over pick cough

please get real

oh and for the record NY fans would pee there pants with a player like Bargs. he would easily score over 20ppg

LOL, Knicks fans bout to lose their cool on a message board.

Gallinari. Simply because I don't think you can win a championship with a soft center like Bargnani.

Gallo.

He's younger, mentally tougher, and has a flare/charisma that Bargnani doesn't have. I always liked him, but seeing him go at Melo, essentially as a rookie, and come out the victor really sold me that he will be special.

Hemispheres wrote:Gallo.

He's younger, mentally tougher, and has a flare/charisma that Bargnani doesn't have. I always liked him, but seeing him go at Melo, essentially as a rookie, and come out the victor really sold me that he will be special.

Prove that he's mentally tougher.

Flare and charisma? This isn't about who you'd rather date.

Andrea Bargnani

Gallinari easily.

Gallo has the speed and agility to play the 3, where his game fits. Bargnani doesn't, and so he plays the 4/5 where he gets creamed down low and on the glass.

The Main Event wrote:

Hemispheres wrote:Gallo.

He's younger, mentally tougher, and has a flare/charisma that Bargnani doesn't have. I always liked him, but seeing him go at Melo, essentially as a rookie, and come out the victor really sold me that he will be special.

Prove that he's mentally tougher.

Flare and charisma? This isn't about who you'd rather date.

You obviously did not watch him very often last season. The shootout against Denver and Melo is a perfect example.

Lionel Messi wrote:Build around? Neither.

And if it makes Knicks fans happy, I'd rather have Gallinari.

Gallo gets overrated by our base, but this is him by a good amount. He's only 22, and has only played one year in the NBA, whereas Bargs has been around for a while and hasn't improved all that much. He's already quite a bit more efficient than Bargs has ever been, and is a better defender. Not to mention, Bargnani is one of the worst rebounding 5s ever. I think Gallo is already better, and has a much higher ceiling.

Honest question.....what will Bargs do this season? Will he play Power Forward? What will his numbers be?

From what I've seen, I'm taking Gallo. I want a Raptors fan to fill me in on expectations for Bargs this season though.

ronnymac2 wrote:Honest question.....what will Bargs do this season? Will he play Power Forward? What will his numbers be?

From what I've seen, I'm taking Gallo. I want a Raptors fan to fill me in on expectations for Bargs this season though.

He'll most likely play center again with the drafting of Ed Davis and extension of Amir Johnson. And what I'm hoping is that Bargnani gets situated in the mid range area more often. He has way too quick of a first step for a big man to not take advantage of.

ad15vt wrote:The correct answer is bargs... and its not even close... he fills a harder position, hes a better defender, he can be the focal point of a teams offense. He's improving aspects of his game each year, while gallo hasn't improved on anything really.

The correct response here is

This is especially hysterical because he hasn't shown anything to indicate that he can be a focal scorer (some 75-80% of his offense is assisted annually), he's among the worst rebounders in the league for his position and he's got extremely limited defensive instincts. Not a great combination for a big.

He plays like a SF and while he's developing, he's really bad as a PF or C. He's much better suited to playing in Europe, where he can safely be a SF. If he does develop as an iso scorer, he'll be able to find a niche (at least on a good team) as a 3rd-option scorer, or 2nd if it's really tight and he improves a lot.

But really? Given the choice, there are a LOT of forwards and centers to take over him, particularly given the nearly-null movement in his rebounding ability in the 4 years he's been in the league.

ad15vt wrote:The correct answer is bargs... and its not even close... he fills a harder position, hes a better defender, he can be the focal point of a teams offense. He's improving aspects of his game each year, while gallo hasn't improved on anything really.

cough ones a #1 over pick cough

please get real

oh and for the record NY fans would pee there pants with a player like Bargs. he would easily score over 20ppg

That isn't the correct answer...and this is coming from someone who likes Bargs a lot. Yes, he fills a harder position, but he's not a true center...not even close. Like tsherkin says, he rebounds very poorly, is limited defensively (although stats show that he's actually one of the better defensive bigs in the NBA lol), and he can't score on isos.

You haven't seen Gallinari at all if you think he has not improved. The last two months of the season when the team was running through him and Lee, he averaged more than 16 ppg and averaged about 6 rpg (which he still has to improve on). He has shown the ability to make the big play (block against the Bobcats) and the big shots (game against Denver is the perfect example; I can give more if needed). Bargs has not shown he can do either.

Gallinari is a great passer, a good ball handler, and has an incredibly high basketball IQ. Yes, he has his short comings for a small forward, most noticeably his lack of quickness and athletecism, but that has not stopped him on the defensive end. He went to D'Antoni last year and asked to guard the best player on the opposing team and he uses his basketball IQ and length to play defense to the best of his ability (which is better than most people know...but it would be known if people actually watched him play).

Gallinari has improved a lot throughout the year when he was getting more looks and not being constantly looked off by players who were out for their own stats (hello Al Harrington). Considering he was hurt his rookie season and wasn't able to play much, in his first full season even though he played with people who were constantly looking him off, he managed to average 15, 5, 2, 1 steal, and almost 1 block...yeah,I'd say that's pretty good.

Being the #1 overall pick means nothing...say hello to Kwame Brown. The worst part of your argument is "cough ones a #1 over pick cough" (your exact words)...that's just sad you used that to help your "case" lol.

I'm not saying Gallo is going to be a #1 option, but he will have his chances to make an all star game if he continues improving (again, not set in stone obviously). He's younger and definitely has much more potential than Bargs does.

tsherkin wrote:This is especially hysterical because he hasn't shown anything to indicate that he can be a focal scorer (some 75-80% of his offense is assisted annually), he's among the worst rebounders in the league for his position and he's got extremely limited defensive instincts. Not a great combination for a big.

I don't know if his defensive instincts are limited, but that he's not willing to make use of them. He usually has good timing on blocks and his shotblocking in the clutch is second only to Brendan Haywood. What it suggests to me is that Bargnani only makes use of his defensive instincts only when it's most important. Small sample size? I realize that, but another point I'd like to bring up is during the small stint of the 08 season when Mitchell was coaching. Bargnani went to a big man camp and was noticeably a much better defender. In fact because he was so erratic offensively, his defense was much more valuable to us. He was playing good defense period. Sam Mitchell has been heavily critical of Bargnani because he demanded him to play good defense and rebound the ball, which he didn't do in 07-08. Send him to a big man camp and although his rebounding stayed the same, his defense noticeably got better. He was also very very aggressive.

Fire Sam Mitchell and bring in Jay Triano, a guy who won't hark on you for not playing defense who kisses your boo boos when Kevin Garnett says mean things to you, and Bargnani regresses back to before going to big man camp. My point I'm trying to make is that whenever it was truly demanded of him (after going to big man camp), like from Sam Mitchell, Bargnani was able to play good defense. Under Jay Triano who has no control over his team, he didn't bring it. It's definitely a set back against Bargnani though; he should be bringing it every single night on every single possession, not when he feels like it or when he should be told. So I don't think he really lacks defensive instincts at all, but he just doesn't have the willingness to play defense.

Give me 'Nani he's a better post player and defender.