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Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:11 am
by tamarslayer
Who is the better player?
Who is more important to their team?
Trying to settle a debate in which my basketball intelligence was insulted numerous times because I said Devin Harris is SIGNIFICANTLY more important to the Nets (he is their best player after all) than Ronny Turiaf is to the Knicks.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:16 am
by NYK 455
This won't end well.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:53 am
by dyukcs
Devin Harris is so good, I'd trade Jason Kidd for him... no? ok..
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:56 am
by adjacent2bench
Silly thread. It's obvious Harris is better. The OP was making it seem as if Turiaf is some scrub player for the Knicks when in reality, he's one of our more important pieces. He made this thread because he tried to use the excuse that Harris' injury was the reason why the Nets lost, when it was just one of the reasons they lost.
We responded that we're also without Turiaf, who is our best defensive big and is a surprisingly integral part of the offense as shown by his passing ability.
I don't understand why this thread was made though iwhen it's obvious that Harris is the better player.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:05 am
by BROWN
This doesn't have some sort of Agenda written all over it.
Thanks again OP, but lock this bad boy up.
Turiaf is a key component to the Knicks. Harris is clearly the better player, and more important to the Nets.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:55 am
by VCRJKidd15
im assuming knicks fans on the knicks board are arguing with their own fanbase and some think Turiaf is more important...just a guess
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:54 am
by chefy
VCRJKidd15 wrote:im assuming knicks fans on the knicks board are arguing with their own fanbase and some think Turiaf is more important...just a guess
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 8:26 am
by RutgersBJJ
The more attention you draw to yourself the quicker you're going to get banned again NetsForce.
By the way, the Nets were losing when Harris got hurt in the game where Turiaf didn't play at all. The fact that Devon Harris is the Net's best player just shows why they will be drafting in the top 10 this year. I do notice Nets fans stopped making fun of Amare for rebounding though, kind of hard to do that when your "franchise big" has had 1 game of double digit rebounds.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 8:33 am
by therealbig3
Clearly the answer is Devin Harris.
As to the Nets losing because Harris got hurt...as a Nets fan, I want to believe that, and I know it sounds ridiculous to support that theory and I know we were losing when Harris got hurt...but it was a 4 point game at that point I believe, and does anyone honestly see the Knicks running away with the game to that extent in the 3rd quarter if Harris was in the game? With Harris, the Nets wouldn't have missed pretty much everything they threw up in that 3rd quarter; they would have had a guy that could create his own offense and get to the line. He would have also made things easier for his teammates.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 10:11 am
by J-Rich-
This is like comparing Mugsy Bogues with Shawn Bradley
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:46 pm
by Andrewchos
Dennis Harris got juked by some british dude.
Never was a huge fan of his game, thought he relied to much on his athleticism.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:04 pm
by dockingsched
adjacent2bench wrote:We responded that we're also without Turiaf, who is our best defensive big and is a surprisingly integral part of the offense as shown by his passing ability.
much love for ronny, but that is very very sad.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:13 pm
by semi-sentient
dcash4 wrote:adjacent2bench wrote:We responded that we're also without Turiaf, who is our best defensive big and is a surprisingly integral part of the offense as shown by his passing ability.
much love for ronny, but that is very very sad.
lol... seriously.
Ronny is a great energy guy, but he's always been a piss poor defender and rebounder. He's one of those guys that tries to swat every shot into the 4th row, and that typically results in a foul or him getting burned. I'm not sure if he still plays this way because I haven't seen a single Knicks game this year, but that's pretty much who he was with the Lakers/Warriors.
Great energy and hustle guy though. He's one of those "fan favorite" type dudes.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:32 pm
by dockingsched
in 22 minutes he's averaging 3.2 rpg and 3.0 fouls per game, so looks like same o'l ronny. SS nailed it, tries to block everything that results in terrible rebounding and constant fouls.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:07 pm
by tamarslayer
semi-sentient wrote:lol... seriously.
Ronny is a great energy guy, but he's always been a piss poor defender and rebounder. He's one of those guys that tries to swat every shot into the 4th row, and that typically results in a foul or him getting burned. I'm not sure if he still plays this way because I haven't seen a single Knicks game this year, but that's pretty much who he was with the Lakers/Warriors.
Great energy and hustle guy though. He's one of those "fan favorite" type dudes.
Thank you semi this is EXACTLY what I was saying but less elaborately. I can also vouch having seen many a Knicks game with friends that Turiaf does the EXACT same thing on the Knicks. Pump fakes from 20 feet out confuse him.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:41 pm
by CrazyKnicks
semi-sentient wrote:dcash4 wrote:much love for ronny, but that is very very sad.
lol... seriously.
Ronny is a great energy guy, but he's always been a piss poor defender and rebounder. He's one of those guys that tries to swat every shot into the 4th row, and that typically results in a foul or him getting burned. I'm not sure if he still plays this way because I haven't seen a single Knicks game this year, but that's pretty much who he was with the Lakers/Warriors.
Great energy and hustle guy though. He's one of those "fan favorite" type dudes.
dcash4 wrote:in 22 minutes he's averaging 3.2 rpg and 3.0 fouls per game, so looks like same o'l ronny. SS nailed it, tries to block everything that results in terrible rebounding and constant fouls.
You guys say same old Turiaf but his importance is more than numbers to the Knicks:
1) Amare doesn't have to guard the best opposing big, Turiaf does that.
2) Turiaf starts so it allows Chandler to come off the bench and give our bench a much needed boost.
3) With Turiaf playing, we don't have to rely as much on Mozgov who's a rookie center trying to learn the NBA.
It's more about depth and allows us to put other guys in more suitable roles.
As for Turiaf's actual play, he is surprisingly a good passer especially when we face zone defenses so it helps a guy like Amare who struggles when facing that kind of defense. And as far as challenging shots, Knicks are the top shotblocking team and we try to protect the rim so Turiaf certainly helps in that aspect.
Of course nobody is saying he's better than Harris, but he does make an impact for our team.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:42 pm
by truth serum
tamarslayer wrote:semi-sentient wrote:lol... seriously.
Ronny is a great energy guy, but he's always been a piss poor defender and rebounder. He's one of those guys that tries to swat every shot into the 4th row, and that typically results in a foul or him getting burned. I'm not sure if he still plays this way because I haven't seen a single Knicks game this year, but that's pretty much who he was with the Lakers/Warriors.
Great energy and hustle guy though. He's one of those "fan favorite" type dudes.
Thank you semi this is EXACTLY what I was saying but less elaborately.
I can also vouch having seen many a Knicks game with friends that Turiaf does the EXACT same thing on the Knicks. Pump fakes from 20 feet out confuse him.
The most amazing thing here is that you actually have friends. I honestly don't believe you.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:44 pm
by Knicksfan20
dcash4 wrote:in 22 minutes he's averaging 3.2 rpg and 3.0 fouls per game, so looks like same o'l ronny. SS nailed it, tries to block everything that results in terrible rebounding and constant fouls.
Because stats tell everything right?
He intimidates opposing players and alters shots. He communicates on defense, yells out screens and is a good pick and roll defender and help defender.
If someone **** up on D, he is the guy calling people out. He is a good facilitator too, hes already had an 8 assist night and a 7 assist night.
He may not put up huge stats, but he makes a difference. Knicks played undersized yesturday because the only big man we have healthy is Mozgov and he is a project right now. Having Turiaf would have helped out alot.
As for his fouls, he doesn't pick up ticky tack foul. The No Layup Rule is definatly in effect when Ronnie is in the game. He doesn't make many mistakes and his basketball IQ is sevrely underated.
We are a better defensive team when Turiaf plays. Plain and simple.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:59 am
by dockingsched
We are a better defensive team when Turiaf plays. Plain and simple.
that may be true, i never said it wasn't true. i just find not particularly encouraging if turiaf has importance to your defense.
Re: Devin Harris vs. Ronny Turiaf
Posted: Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:42 am
by JoseRizal
Turiaf is the Knicks best defender because he's one of the few players who actually bothers to defend...
Also, partly, with the lack of offensive skills...