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If the Heat wins another championship while Wade still maintaining this type of play, he will easily be in the Top 20.
If he miraculously wins another Finals MVP, Wade will crack the Top 15.

Wade is already top 20, and yes he is better than dirk. I mean people here put dirk over James, that's crazy to me even when I first read the list a bit after it was done.

HeartBreakKid wrote:Wade is already top 20, and yes he is better than dirk. I mean people here put dirk over James, that's crazy to me even when I first read the list a bit after it was done.

The latter is crazy, James' peak is just too good and his longevity is decent now.

But Dirk should be higher than Wade, certainly. Wade has essentially 6 healthy and relevant complete seasons in his career till now (05-06 and 09-12). Out of those, he was a mega star for 06 and 09-11, and decent in 05 and 12.

Dirk on the other hand, All-NBA from 01-12. Maybe equal or less legit mega star seasons, I'd say you could say him and Wade were at their best in the exact same 4 seasons, but he has some other great top 6-8 seasons in 03, 05, 07, 08, plus 01, 02, 12 on the level of Wade's lesser season.

Even if you think 09 or 06 Wade >> 11 or 06 Dirk, there's a big, big gap in longevity that one peak season cannot overcome.

HeartBreakKid wrote:Wade is already top 20, and yes he is better than dirk. I mean people here put dirk over James, that's crazy to me even when I first read the list a bit after it was done.

Dirk had, at the time, just absolutely abused Miami (13/27 FG in Q4 and 24/24 FT) whist LeBron had just gone 4/16 in and 3/3 FT in 4th quarters by the end of game 5. It would have been bizarre to rank LeBron over Dirk at the time.

In fact, it still is now, IMO. LeBron and Dirk's careers are really comparable - both have almost always won 50+ games, regardless of supporting casts; they have 1 ring apiece. LeBron has excelled more in the regular season, Dirk in the playoffs. LeBron winning a Finals MVP this year is when we can consider LeBron above Dirk and potentially top 10-12.

Dirk is better than Wade because of longevity and health. Big fan of Wade's game, but he was just too injured during his prime.

I'd take Wade's peak over Dirk's, but it's close enough that Dirk's far superior longevity gives him the edge.

Longevity does not mean much to me, so yeah, I do have Wade over Dirk. It's not to the point where I could not be convinced, but I'm pretty sure I'd take Wade.

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Wade is already top 20, and yes he is better than dirk. I mean people here put dirk over James, that's crazy to me even when I first read the list a bit after it was done.

Dirk had, at the time, just absolutely abused Miami (13/27 FG in Q4 and 24/24 FT) whist LeBron had just gone 4/16 in and 3/3 FT in 4th quarters by the end of game 5. It would have been bizarre to rank LeBron over Dirk at the time.

In fact, it still is now, IMO. LeBron and Dirk's careers are really comparable - both have almost always won 50+ games, regardless of supporting casts; they have 1 ring apiece. LeBron has excelled more in the regular season, Dirk in the playoffs. LeBron winning a Finals MVP this year is when we can consider LeBron above Dirk and potentially top 10-12.

That's ignorant to base who is better off of one head to head series though. Even more so since that was not the usual Lebron James.

James had been the best player for 2 or 3 years by the time he had lost to Dirk (in which barely anyone thought Dirk was the best player). That to me is the core of the "ring argument". James was already better than Dirk, and the whole choking thing at the time I thought was even more silly, because right before Dirk won a title he was called a choker.


James to me is a top ten player already. I have him at 9, and he isn't going to leave it in till the next big star breaks out and enters the top ten.

HeartBreakKid wrote:That's ignorant to base who is better off of one head to head series though. Even more so since that was not the usual Lebron James.

James had been the best player for 2 or 3 years by the time he had lost to Dirk (in which barely anyone thought Dirk was the best player). That to me is the core of the "ring argument". James was already better than Dirk, and the whole choking thing at the time I thought was even more silly, because right before Dirk won a title he was called a choker..

It wasn't the whole reason. That was just the tip of the iceberg.

It's unfair to say LeBron had been better. In the RS for sure, but come the post-season, Dirk is up there amongst the elite. You also have to weigh in supporting casts... Dirk had less in 2011 than LeBron. Prior to that, they'd done relatively similar things with similarly talented teams.

Then, if you look at their playoff stats... and records (records in particular are almost identical):

James to me is a top ten player already. I have him at 9, and he isn't going to leave it in till the next big star breaks out and enters the top ten

25.9 (46.3% / 38% / 58.4% TS% ) | 10.3 TRB | 2.6 AST | 1.1 STL STL | 0.9 BLK | 118 ORtg | 41.5 MPG
28.5 (46.9% / 31.2% / 56.4% TS%) | 8.7 TRB | 6.7 AST | 1.7 STL | 0.9 BLK | 114 ORtg | 43.8MPG

Fairly similar production, no? Especially considering LeBron's 2012 is included in those numbers (which was the following year after this project)

I'm not trying to argue who is better now, or if the list was re-done; just trying to give you context at the time.

When I click on #32-43 I get a malware warning says the thread has malware from bouncemag.com. I'm assuming that is coming from the posts in the 1st page with the pictures of the players. Can someone edit those pics out?

colts18 wrote:When I click on #32-43 I get a malware warning says the thread has malware from bouncemag.com. I'm assuming that is coming from the posts in the 1st page with the pictures of the players. Can someone edit those pics out?

Yeah samething I noticed as well just now.

colts18 wrote:When I click on #32-43 I get a malware warning says the thread has malware from bouncemag.com. I'm assuming that is coming from the posts in the 1st page with the pictures of the players. Can someone edit those pics out?

Only #32 now for me

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Kevin Garnett is overrated. There is no way he is better than Robinson or Barkley, even with a ring!

Adding this here because it's seems like the most relevant project and I don't really want to start a thread (it would get ugly in a hurry):

LeBron has now past Kobe in playoff Win Shares:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... eer_p.html

I actually wasn't even mean to go to this page - was trying to go to the regular season career leaders page - but saw this, and just thought I needed to share it. Whatever you think of the WS stats, it doesn't seem like it should be possible given how much time Kobe's played in the playoffs (Kobe's #2 all-time in playoff minutes played, LeBron's only played like 60% of that amount of minutes).

Poor Kobe, he's the butt end of so many comparisons here .

So I was reading the thread for the #1 ranking in the Real Gm Top 100 list, and noticed an argument against Bill about how it is impossible to average more than 3 blocks a game.

Did Serge Ibaka unintentionally raise Russell's stock with his 2012 season of averaging 3.7 blocks at 9.8% (which one or two of the naysayers said was also improbable?).

Considering Bill is taller, more skilled, smarter and as athletic, it is safe to say that he has 4.0 + blk talent even in the modern era?

and noticed an argument against Bill about how it is impossible to average more than 3 blocks a game.

What was this argument based on? Every single year since 1974 the NBA blocks per game leader has always averaged more than 3.0. Except of course during a 3 year period from 2008-09 to 2010-11. I also recall a few members trying to place Lamar Odom in the top 100.

Dipper 13 wrote:

and noticed an argument against Bill about how it is impossible to average more than 3 blocks a game.

What was this argument based on? Every single year since 1974 the NBA blocks per game leader has always averaged more than 3.0. Except of course during a 3 year period from 2008-09 to 2010-11.

It was that period in which no one was blocking 3 shots a game, and some people said it wasn't happening due to the increase of the three-point shot. But Ibaka showed that it isn't impossible to block 3+ shots a game in today's game, it's just that no one was doing it, which are two different things. I'd posted an article before on people talking about the decrease of shotblocking, but no one commented on it as they'd rather go with "the game has evolved to the point that no one will ever block that many shots again." Which has been disproven.

But Ibaka showed that it isn't impossible to block 3+ shots a game in today's game

And he only averaged 27 & 31 minutes, compared to Russell who would likely play 40+ minutes.