RealGM Top 100 List -- 2011

[ThaRegul8r]

I can't think of a single statistical measure by which Bob Cousy ranks higher than Magic, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem or Kobe....

Neither do I, which is why I'm interested in learning how this order was determined. It's his list so he can rank people however he wants, but it has such an unusual ordering that I am curious as to how he ranked them the way he did.

Jordan is 4th all-time, behind Chamberlain, Russell, Abdul-Jabbar

1. Bill Russell
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Michael Jordan
5. John Havlicek

I don't particularly care who people rank where on their personal GOAT lists, as it's their prerogative and it's subjective anyway, but I confess that I am curious as to the reasoning behind Havlicek being #5, as it's actually something I haven't seen before.

He is using bball reference hall of fame monitor. He listed his top 100 the other day and it was the same top 100 in the exact order of the hall of fame monitor that bball reference uses.

[Verballer]

Here's my list, in this order:

1.Bill Russell
2.Wilt Chamberlain
3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4.Michael Jordan
5.John Havlicek
6.Kobe Bryant
7.Bob Cousy
8.Magic Johnson
9.Shaquille O'Neal
10.Larry Bird
11.Bob Pettit
12.Jerry West
13.Tim Duncan
14.Oscar Robertson
15.Elgin Baylor
16.George Mikan
17.Karl Malone
18.LeBron James
19.Sam Jones
20.Tom Heinsohn
21.Dwyane Wade
22.Kevin Garnett
23.Isiah Thomas
24.Hakeem Olajuwon
25.Elvin Hayes
26.Allen Iverson
27.Charles Barkley
28.Dolph Schayes
29.Vern Mikkelsen
30.Moses Malone
31.Neil Johnston
32.Slater Martin
33.Paul Arizin
34.Scottie Pippen
35.Dave Cowens
36.Julius Erving
37.David Robinson
38.Jim Pollard
39.Dirk Nowitzki
40.Jerry Lucas
41.Ed Macauley
42.Paul Pierce
43.Clyde Drexler
44.Bill Sharman
45.Willis Reed
46.George Yardley
47.Rick Barry
48.Dave DeBusschere
49.Hal Greer
50.Ray Allen
51.Harry Gallatin
52.Walt Frazier
53.Patrick Ewing
54.Dominique Wilkins
55.Robert Parish
56.Jason Kidd
57.Chris Bosh
58.George Gervin
59.Bob McAdoo
60.Bailey Howell
61.Chris Paul
62.Billy Cunningham
63.Gary Payton
64.Lenny Wilkens
65.Bob Lanier
66.Kevin McHale
67.John Stockton
68.Jo Jo White
69.Arnie Risen
70.Tony Parker
71.Nate Thurmond
72.James Worthy
73.Carmelo Anthony
74.Adrian Dantley
75.Dwight Howard
76.Alex English
77.Bobby Wanzer
78.Tiny Archibald
79.Dave Bing
80.Vince Carter
81.Bob Davies
82.Gus Johnson
83.Chris Webber
84.Pete Maravich
85.Walt Bellamy
86.Clyde Lovellette
87.Chet Walker
88.Kevin Durant
89.Willie Naulls
90.Dick McGuire
91.Jack Sikma
92.Mitch Richmond
93.Frank Ramsey
94.Bob Dandridge
95.Wes Unseld
96.Andy Phillip
97.Pau Gasol
98.Mel Hutchins
99.Cliff Hagan
100.Tracy McGrady

Potential GOAT in bad listing.
It seems like yuo posted them in the order they came to your head.

Carmelo above DWight
Bosh over Paul Melo TP and Dwight.
Hakeem out of top 20
Wade above KG
And so much more.
I've been watching basketball for around 1-2 years now and that still looks wrong

[JimmyTD3]

LeBron at 18? No.

And no, I'm not a Heat fan.

[B_Creamy]

LeBron at 18? No.

And no, I'm not a Heat fan.

This was made 2 years ago.

[Fencer reregistered]

I can't think of a single statistical measure by which Bob Cousy ranks higher than Magic, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem or Kobe....

Neither do I, which is why I'm interested in learning how this order was determined. It's his list so he can rank people however he wants, but it has such an unusual ordering that I am curious as to how he ranked them the way he did.

I'm sure green-tinted lenses were involved.

I've ranked some Celtics higher than some other folks do, but that list was ridiculous.

[Fencer reregistered]

So anyhow -- who deserves to move significantly in the rankings since this list was put together? My thoughts start:

1. Lebron was rated too high at the time. But since then he's stopped choking and been generally awesome, and deserves to be ranked far higher than where I then thought he should go.

2. Many active players added to their longevity. Garnett played at high level in the 2011 postseason. Pierce grabbed a PoTM award, and was runner-up for another. Duncan, Wade et al. kept going. Oh yeah -- there's also that guy Kobe.

[Durins Baynes]

Duncan higher, Lebron higher. Kobe added more longevity, but it doesn't get him any higher (because the guys he's against all have/had comparable longevity), and he actually drops because he's been overtaken by Lebron who now bounces him out of the 10.

[Larry Legend]

My best 25 players of all time (it`s too much time for me to do list of 100):
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Wilt
5. Russel
6. Kareem
7. Hakeem
8. Oscar
9. West
10. Shaq
11. Baylor
12. Barkley
13. Lebron
14. Dr. J
15. Duncan
16. Garnett
17. Petit
18. M. Malone
19. K. Malone
20. Cunningham.
21. Ridd
22. D. Robinson
23. Hayes
24. J. Lucas
25. Walton

[rrravenred]

No Kobe in your top 25? Really?

[Texas Chuck]

No Kobe in your top 25? Really?

Duncan at 15 is at least as bad. He also has at least 8 PFs in there and no Dirk.

[Not Bias]

No Kobe in your top 25? Really?

Duncan at 15 is at least as bad. He also has at least 8 PFs in there and no Dirk.

This is probably the worst list I've ever seen, no Kobe, no Dirk, Duncan at 15, Barkley at 12, Baylor at 11 Cunningham at 20. Geez and I thought I've seen it all

[Nairobi]

Here's my list, in this order:

1.Bill Russell
2.Wilt Chamberlain
3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4.Michael Jordan
5.John Havlicek
6.Kobe Bryant
7.Bob Cousy
8.Magic Johnson
9.Shaquille O'Neal
10.Larry Bird
11.Bob Pettit
12.Jerry West
13.Tim Duncan
14.Oscar Robertson
15.Elgin Baylor
16.George Mikan
17.Karl Malone
18.LeBron James
19.Sam Jones
20.Tom Heinsohn
21.Dwyane Wade
22.Kevin Garnett
23.Isiah Thomas
24.Hakeem Olajuwon
25.Elvin Hayes
26.Allen Iverson
27.Charles Barkley
28.Dolph Schayes
29.Vern Mikkelsen
30.Moses Malone
31.Neil Johnston
32.Slater Martin
33.Paul Arizin
34.Scottie Pippen
35.Dave Cowens
36.Julius Erving
37.David Robinson
38.Jim Pollard
39.Dirk Nowitzki
40.Jerry Lucas
41.Ed Macauley
42.Paul Pierce
43.Clyde Drexler
44.Bill Sharman
45.Willis Reed
46.George Yardley
47.Rick Barry
48.Dave DeBusschere
49.Hal Greer
50.Ray Allen
51.Harry Gallatin
52.Walt Frazier
53.Patrick Ewing
54.Dominique Wilkins
55.Robert Parish
56.Jason Kidd
57.Chris Bosh
58.George Gervin
59.Bob McAdoo
60.Bailey Howell
61.Chris Paul
62.Billy Cunningham
63.Gary Payton
64.Lenny Wilkens
65.Bob Lanier
66.Kevin McHale
67.John Stockton
68.Jo Jo White
69.Arnie Risen
70.Tony Parker
71.Nate Thurmond
72.James Worthy
73.Carmelo Anthony
74.Adrian Dantley
75.Dwight Howard
76.Alex English
77.Bobby Wanzer
78.Tiny Archibald
79.Dave Bing
80.Vince Carter
81.Bob Davies
82.Gus Johnson
83.Chris Webber
84.Pete Maravich
85.Walt Bellamy
86.Clyde Lovellette
87.Chet Walker
88.Kevin Durant
89.Willie Naulls
90.Dick McGuire
91.Jack Sikma
92.Mitch Richmond
93.Frank Ramsey
94.Bob Dandridge
95.Wes Unseld
96.Andy Phillip
97.Pau Gasol
98.Mel Hutchins
99.Cliff Hagan
100.Tracy McGrady

Potential GOAT in bad listing.
It seems like yuo posted them in the order they came to your head.

1.Carmelo above DWight
2.Bosh over Paul Melo TP and Dwight.
3.Hakeem out of top 20
4.Wade above KG
And so much more.
I've been watching basketball for around 1-2 years now and that still looks wrong

-With the way their careers appear to be carved, 1 certainly looks to be right to me. I just can't understate the criticalness of a bad back, but I could be wrong

-Bosh and CP3 have had similar peaks, and it's really close here and things could change, but right now I believe Bosh's playoff impact edges him out, even though CP3 has never been favored to win a playoff series he lost in, and Bosh has been more fortunate with the team he has. I believe Bosh to be a better player than Parker and Anthony, and I just don't see any of these players being better than Bosh then, now, or in the future. Anthony won't get any better, and will not win a title in his prime at the very least, and Paul is physically declining; that meniscus injury/removal's really changed him and is catchin' up to him

-Yes, his dream shake didn't seem to hyptonize me

-Yes, while it hurts me to say this, I believe Flash to marginally be the better player. I personally believe his prime to be underrated around here, and he's the better playoff performer (although I'll admit he didn't deserve that '09 award over James; really just a testament that LeBron is THAT FREAKIN' GOOD )

[Nairobi]

LeBron at 18? No.

And no, I'm not a Heat fan.

If James retired today, he'd be around top 15. He's unquestionably on pace to retire top 10, maybe even top 5, I just personally don't think he deserves the praise of top 10 right now

[Nairobi]

I can't think of a single statistical measure by which Bob Cousy ranks higher than Magic, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem or Kobe....

Neither do I, which is why I'm interested in learning how this order was determined. It's his list so he can rank people however he wants, but it has such an unusual ordering that I am curious as to how he ranked them the way he did.

I'm sure green-tinted lenses were involved.

I've ranked some Celtics higher than some other folks do, but that list was ridiculous.

Nada Boston fan, nor am I from there, or even like that __hole.

So would u personally concede Cousy and Havlicek in the top 20?

[BmanInBigD]

I know we've argued in the past, but can you please tell me why you'd have I Thomas and Pippen and 36 other guys ahead of Nowitzki? I just can't seem to fathom that.

[Fencer reregistered]

So would u personally concede Cousy and Havlicek in the top 20?

Cousy wouldn't even be an average starter today. I'm willing to rank him Top 40 in the face of that, due to his greatness in his own era, but Top 20 is going too far.

And I have trouble ranking Havlicek much above Scottie Pippen.

[Nairobi]

So would u personally concede Cousy and Havlicek in the top 20?

Cousy wouldn't even be an average starter today.

How do you know this?

[Fencer reregistered]

So would u personally concede Cousy and Havlicek in the top 20?

Cousy wouldn't even be an average starter today.

How do you know this?

It just so happens that the Celtics' current PG is a similar player to Cousy ... and Rondo is superior to him in almost every aspect of the game, their strengths and weaknesses alike. Rondo is a better dribbler and passer, a better shooter, a much better rebounder, and a much better defender.

[Nairobi]

Cousy wouldn't even be an average starter today.

How do you know this?

It just so happens that the Celtics' current PG is a similar player to Cousy ... and Rondo is superior to him in almost every aspect of the game, their strengths and weaknesses alike. Rondo is a better dribbler and passer, a better shooter, a much better rebounder, and a much better defender.

So, how do you know this, @ the bolded?

Cousy wouldn't even be an average starter today

And how do you know this?

[Fencer reregistered]

How do you know this?

It just so happens that the Celtics' current PG is a similar player to Cousy ... and Rondo is superior to him in almost every aspect of the game, their strengths and weaknesses alike. Rondo is a better dribbler and passer, a better shooter, a much better rebounder, and a much better defender.

So, how do you know this, @ the bolded?

Cousy wouldn't even be an average starter today

And how do you know this?

The usual ways. There is a little bit of video available from those days. There also are some stats. And there are certain things Rondo does that would be physically impossible using Cousy's body.

That said, it's all an opinion rather than high-certainty knowledge.