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Shaquille O'Neal
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011

I assume we aren't supposed to take his injuries into account. Should I judge him by his playoff form?

Do you have the in/out Sri data for Shaq? There is a large sample size of games missed for him

colts18 wrote:I assume we aren't supposed to take his injuries into account. Should I judge him by his playoff form?

Do you have the in/out Sri data for Shaq? There is a large sample size of games missed for him

Yes I will post all the related information shortly. You are NOT suppose to take into account missed time in the RS. You ARE supposed to judge him by his end of the season form ("playoffs" -- although I shy away from that word because some people only end up playing 3 playoff game and I want you to judge based on how he his playing at the end of the year...April, May, June...is he healthy, how well is he playing?

Shaquille O'Neal related In/Out (WOWY)

1993 - 4.5
1994 - 5
1995 - 6
1996 - 6
1997 - 7.5
1998 - 7.5
1999 - 8
2000 - 9
2001 - 9
2002 - 8.5
2003 - 6.5
2004 - 7
2005 - 5.5
2006 - 6
2007 - 4
2008 - 4.5
2009 - 4.5
2010 - 3.5
2011 - 2

Shaquille O'Neal
1993 +8.0 WS (49.0)
1994 +15.0 WS (56.0)
1995 +15.0 WS (56.0)
1996 +14.0 WS (55.0)
1997 +15.0 WS (56.0)
1998 +16.0 WS (57.0)
1999 +17.0 WS (58.0)
2000 +21.0 WS (62.0)
2001 +20.0 WS (61.0)
2002 +18.0 WS (59.0)
2003 +13.0 WS (54.0)
2004 +12.0 WS (53.0)
2005 +10.0 WS (51.0)
2006 +8.0 WS (49.0)
2007 +6.0 WS (47.0)
2008 +4.0 WS (45.0)
2009 +3.0 WS (44.0)
2010 +2.0 WS (43.0)
2011 +0.0 WS (41.0)

JordansBulls wrote:Shaquille O'Neal
2007 +6.0 WS (47.0)

Perhaps I have misunderstood your model here (Winshares?). How can you rank 2007 Shaq over 1966 Wilt? Did you use the roster strength against him? Lets not forget how they all tanked in the playoffs and lost 2 of the last 3 games, despite Wilt outplaying Russell in those 3 games.


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JordansBulls wrote:Wilt Chamberlain
1966 - +5.0 WS (46.0)

1993 +4.0
1994 +5.0
1995 +5.5
1996 +5.5
1997 +5.5
1998 +6.5
1999 +5.5
2000 +9.0
2001 +9.0
2002 +8.0
2003 +7.0
2004 +6.0
2005 +5.0
2006 +5.0
2007 +2.5
2008 +2.5
2009 +2.5
2010 +1.0
2011 +0.0

1993 +5.0
1994 +6.5
1995 +8.0
1996 +7.0
1997 +7.0
1998 +9.0
1999 +7.5
2000 +10.0
2001 +9.5
2002 +9.0
2003 +9.0
2004 +7.5
2005 +5.5
2006 +6.0

ElGee wrote:

colts18 wrote:I assume we aren't supposed to take his injuries into account. Should I judge him by his playoff form?

Do you have the in/out Sri data for Shaq? There is a large sample size of games missed for him

Yes I will post all the related information shortly. You are NOT suppose to take into account missed time in the RS. You ARE supposed to judge him by his end of the season form ("playoffs" -- although I shy away from that word because some people only end up playing 3 playoff game and I want you to judge based on how he his playing at the end of the year...April, May, June...is he healthy, how well is he playing?

I need clarification if I should consider end of regular season Shaq or the 100% motivated playoff form Shaq. Because thats a huge difference. Its really fair to consider 100% Shaq when he was 100% motivated for basically 3 seasons of his careers.

1993- +3.5
1994- +6.0
1995- +6.0
1996- +5.5
1997- +4.5
1998- +6.5
1999- +5.5
2000- +8.0
2001- +7.5
2002- +7.0
2003- +6.0
2004- +5.5
2005- +5.5
2006- +4.5
2007- +3.5
2008- +2.0
2009- +2.5
2010- +1.0
2011- 0

colts18 wrote:

ElGee wrote:

colts18 wrote:I assume we aren't supposed to take his injuries into account. Should I judge him by his playoff form?

Do you have the in/out Sri data for Shaq? There is a large sample size of games missed for him

Yes I will post all the related information shortly. You are NOT suppose to take into account missed time in the RS. You ARE supposed to judge him by his end of the season form ("playoffs" -- although I shy away from that word because some people only end up playing 3 playoff game and I want you to judge based on how he his playing at the end of the year...April, May, June...is he healthy, how well is he playing?

I need clarification if I should consider end of regular season Shaq or the 100% motivated playoff form Shaq. Because thats a huge difference. Its really fair to consider 100% Shaq when he was 100% motivated for basically 3 seasons of his careers.

100% motivated Shaq.

The thread was dead?

1993 +5.0
1994 +6.5
1995 +8.0
1996 +6.5
1997 +6.5
1998 +6.5
1999 +7.5
2000 +9.0
2001 +9.0
2002 +8.5
2003 +8.0
2004 +8.0
2005 +6.0
2006 +5.0
2007 - 3.5
2008 - 3.0
2009 - 1.0
2010- 0.5
2011 - 0

In SRS:

1993 +6.5
1994 +7.0
1995 +7.5
1996 +7.5
1997 +8.5
1998 +7.5
1999 +7.0
2000 +10.0
2001 +10.0
2002 +8.0
2003 +7.5
2004 +6.0
2005 +5.5
2006 +5.0
2007 +3.0
2008 +3.5
2009 +3.5
2010 +3.0
2011 +2.0

EDIT: Updated 11/13/13