Shaquille O'Neal Synergy Offense (1998-2001 Playoffs)

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Shaquille O'Neal Synergy Offense (1998-2001 Playoffs) 

Post#1 » by Dipper 13 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:41 pm

PPP stands for Points Per Play. Finish consists of all the plays when a guard would drive the lane and create a shot for him to just go up and finish, like this.


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Post#2 » by colts18 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:00 pm

nice post. What happened to the 99 playoffs? I'm pretty sure there are some of those games on youtube
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Post#3 » by JVL » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:06 pm

Shaq was a beast in the regular season but turned into a monster in the playoffs. Good lord.
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Post#4 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:17 pm

question: did you compile those stats?....what is the source?....link? (I understand they are from Synergy)

the only Synergy numbers I've found are only for the current season. I'd like to see past season databases if available. thx
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Post#5 » by Gregoire » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:01 pm

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Did you tracked assisted/unassisted baskets? Or ISO plays overall?
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Post#6 » by colts18 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:35 pm

Gregoire wrote:
Dipper 13 wrote:


Did you tracked assisted/unassisted baskets? Or ISO plays overall?
You can find assisted% on NBA.com

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Post#7 » by Dipper 13 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:20 pm

colts18 wrote:nice post. What happened to the 99 playoffs? I'm pretty sure there are some of those games on youtube



Maybe next time, that was not his best playoff year.
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Post#8 » by Dipper 13 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:21 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:question: did you compile those stats?....what is the source?....link? (I understand they are from Synergy)

the only Synergy numbers I've found are only for the current season. I'd like to see past season databases if available. thx



I watched the games, but I also used the play-by-play on NBA.com as a guide, which saved a LOT of time. One game would take maybe 20-30 minutes at the most.
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Post#9 » by NO-KG-AI » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:42 am

His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.
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Post#10 » by ceiling raiser » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:11 am

Thanks! :)

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Post#11 » by richboy » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:11 am

Those post up stats are not impressive at all.

What is classified as a pull up jumper? How does he have that many of them.
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Post#12 » by Dipper 13 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:40 am

Any ideas whom you'll tackle next?


Various others. It's too bad the old school games don't exist, I would be very interested in numerous legends from the 50s and 60s.

pull up jumper


First play of the game is an example.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2meq3b5iYw[/youtube]



His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.


Everything on this forum is a gross overstatement when it comes to their favorites, and especially their least favorites. The PPP is lower than expected mainly due to his poor foul shooting. When comparing his post up FG% to Charles Barkley in the 84 game sample, he is not up to par in efficiency, drawing fouls, or finishing through contact. But there is a HUGE difference in volume. Shaq here is getting 17.6 post up plays per game compared to 4.4 for Barkley.
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Post#13 » by Gregoire » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:09 am

Dipper 13 wrote:
Any ideas whom you'll tackle next?


Various others. It's too bad the old school games don't exist, I would be very interested in numerous legends from the 50s and 60s.

pull up jumper


First play of the game is an example.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2meq3b5iYw[/youtube]



His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.


Everything on this forum is a gross overstatement when it comes to their favorites, and especially their least favorites. The PPP is lower than expected mainly due to his poor foul shooting. When comparing his post up FG% to Charles Barkley in the 84 game sample, he is not up to par in efficiency, drawing fouls, or finishing through contact. But there is a HUGE difference in volume. Shaq here is getting 17.6 post up plays per game compared to 4.4 for Barkley.


Could you give overall PPP for ISO plays, like you did with Jordan
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Post#14 » by Dipper 13 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:20 am

Gregoire wrote:Could you give overall PPP for ISO plays, like you did with Jordan


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Post#15 » by Gregoire » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:37 am

For me watching the tape its sometimes difficult to divide post-up and isolation plays...
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Post#16 » by Dipper 13 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:23 am

One example of an Offensive Rebound play. This might be the easiest basket of his career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVW_Bh4xos&t=4m38s
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Post#17 » by lorak » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:58 am

Gregoire wrote:For me watching the tape its sometimes difficult to divide post-up and isolation plays...


Not only for you ;) It's very subjective thing, as well as other play types.

Dipper 13 wrote:PPP stands for Points Per Play. Finish consists of all the plays when a guard would drive the lane and create a shot for him to just go up and finish, like this.


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Something is wrong

According to your data Shaq had 1542 total points and 1344 total plays during these 3 playoffs runs.

But in reality he had 1590 points and 1547 plays (assuming your and1 count is right).

So instead of 1.15 ppp player (your data) he in reality was 1.03 ppp player.
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Post#18 » by Gregoire » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:28 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:His PPP is really a lot lower than most people tend to believe I think. Shaq is obviously an offensive machine, but the idea that he scored every time he started to post up is more than an overstatement when you see player comparisons on here.


I think people did this overstatement because the way he scored. He looked more dominant than he was.
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Post#19 » by Gregoire » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:41 pm

Dipper 13 wrote:
Gregoire wrote:Could you give overall PPP for ISO plays, like you did with Jordan


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ISO stats looked pretty bad. Only 0,86 PPP at his peak in the playoffs... So, basically post-up and ISO were under 1 PPP... His strenght was finishing more from this research.
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Yeah, when ever I make all time comparisons, I pretty much ignore the pre-3PT-line era. The game was so different then. It's apples and oranges. Those guys may be better or may be worse, we're never really going to know.
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Re: Shaquille O'Neal Synergy Offense (1998-2001 Playoffs) 

Post#20 » by Dipper 13 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:30 pm

DavidStern wrote:

Something is wrong

According to your data Shaq had 1542 total points and 1344 total plays during these 3 playoffs runs.

But in reality he had 1590 points and 1547 plays (assuming your and1 count is right).

So instead of 1.15 ppp player (your data) he in reality was 1.03 ppp player.



He was intentionally fouled quite a bit, even in the back court. This chart only keeps track of plays when he was making an offensive move.

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