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I think this should make for even an even better debate than Moses vs KG.

Who would you take? For those of you who keep all-time lists - who do you have higher? And for those who don't (like fpliii ) - who do you think was a better/more impactful player?

Well, considering that Karl's better than Hakeem, and people here would take Akeem w/o thinking twice, this makes this question all the more easier for me. Give me the Mailman

Like with KG comparison, Moses needs less around him to win a title.

Quotatious wrote:I think this should make for even an even better debate than Moses vs KG.

Who would you take? For those of you who keep all-time lists - who do you have higher? And for those who don't (like fpliii ) - who do you think was a better/more impactful player?

I think it's tough. Neither was a defensive anchor, which you'd want from a big (though Karl was a great man defender, and Moses seems to have been pretty good in that regard as well, at least in 82-83). Both were great rebounders (Moses being an all-time great on that end, maybe not far off from GOAT level), but I do have some questions about both.

With Karl, how much was due to the system and his PG? I'm actually very, very high on Stockton (maybe close to Nash), so I'm not sure about this.

As for Moses, from what I've watched of him (mostly playoff games from the early 80s), he seems to have some decent skill in the post. However I'm wary about having a guy who relies on putbacks for his scoring as my offensive anchor in the playoffs.

I'm actually not sure who I'd go with here, I'm definitely looking forward to reading this thread, though. Maybe I'll learn something about both guys.

Laimbeer wrote:Like with KG comparison, Moses needs less around him to win a title.

And Rick Barry won a title with even less, do you prefer him over Kevin as well?

Drummer Boy wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:Like with KG comparison, Moses needs less around him to win a title.

And Rick Barry won a title with even less, do you prefer him over Kevin as well?

No, but that's not totally crazy either. The gap between Barry and KG isn't that big.

Drummer Boy wrote:Well, considering that Karl's better than Hakeem, and people here would take Akeem w/o thinking twice, this makes this question all the more easier for me. Give me the Mailman

Lol wut

The Infamous1 wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:Well, considering that Karl's better than Hakeem, and people here would take Akeem w/o thinking twice, this makes this question all the more easier for me. Give me the Mailman

Lol wut

Yeah, I really did a double-take when I saw that.

All the statistical evidence points in Karl's direction, those two rings don't put him over Malone.

Okada wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:Like with KG comparison, Moses needs less around him to win a title.

And Rick Barry won a title with even less, do you prefer him over Kevin as well?

No, but that's not totally crazy either. The gap between Barry and KG isn't that big.

I'm curious as to where you rank Rick all-time

Drummer Boy wrote:All the statistical evidence points in Karl's direction, those two rings don't put him over Malone.

Sure if the only thing that mattered was the RS. Karl Malone can be the regular season king all he wants but everyone knows he is a horrible playoff performer. I can't think of a single great player that has a bigger dropoff from RS to PS play than Karl Malone. The mailman does not show up on Sundays.

Anyway I choose Moses. Karl Malone is a great player but he is meh in the playoffs at best for a alleged "ATG". KG also has similar issues as Karl but at least he is a much better defender and his T-Wolves teams were a lot worse than what Karl had.

Drummer Boy wrote:

Okada wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:
And Rick Barry won a title with even less, do you prefer him over Kevin as well?

No, but that's not totally crazy either. The gap between Barry and KG isn't that big.

I'm curious as to where you rank Rick all-time

Eh, somewhere between 26 and 30.

Woodsanity wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:All the statistical evidence points in Karl's direction, those two rings don't put him over Malone.

Sure if the only thing that mattered was the RS. Karl Malone can be the regular season king all he wants but everyone knows he is a horrible playoff performer. I can't think of a single great player that has a bigger dropoff from RS to PS play than Karl Malone. The mailman does not show up on Sundays.

Anyway I choose Moses. Karl Malone is a great player but he is meh in the playoffs at best for a alleged "ATG". KG also has similar issues as Karl but at least he is a much better defender and his T-Wolves teams were a lot worse than what Karl had.

It sure beats not making it past the first round over half his career

Okada wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:

Okada wrote:
No, but that's not totally crazy either. The gap between Barry and KG isn't that big.

I'm curious as to where you rank Rick all-time

Eh, somewhere between 26 and 30.

Bill Sharman and Dolph Schayes would like a word with you

I'll take moses. I didn't watch much of them because I was not old enough/born but from what i've seen in their stats and their reps it's moses easily for me.

Drummer Boy wrote:

Okada wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:
I'm curious as to where you rank Rick all-time

Eh, somewhere between 26 and 30.

Bill Sharman and Dolph Schayes would like a word with you

Sharman and Schayes are in my late 40s/early 50s.

Okada wrote:

Drummer Boy wrote:

Okada wrote:
Eh, somewhere between 26 and 30.

Bill Sharman and Dolph Schayes would like a word with you

Sharman and Schayes are in my late 40s/early 50s.

You're saying as in your list/rankings, okay I can respect that.